Both of my human-PBs perma-hovered, so i never knew it was a problem.
I suppose the typical KB IO protection applies.
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What does it matter if you're KB'd during it? The "hit" is determined when you start. You could be sent to the other side of the map, and if you were going to hit, you'll still hit. Not to mention you'll likely do some knocking around of your own.
And even pre-IO, I can't say I was ever knocked back "constantly," or with any frequency enough to notice.
I have two -KB IOs. I very rarely get knocked back at all.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
What does it matter if you're KB'd during it? The "hit" is determined when you start. You could be sent to the other side of the map, and if you were going to hit, you'll still hit. Not to mention you'll likely do some knocking around of your own.
And even pre-IO, I can't say I was ever knocked back "constantly," or with any frequency enough to notice. |
Other than that I switch out of human only if I join a group. Too common to have your target killed out from under you while you are arcing back to contact.
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Get some -KB IO's, seriously. If you find them to be too expensive on the Market, just run some tip missions and buy them with A-Merits.|
Originally Posted by Steel_Ogre
The only reason i have found it really annoying is that I took my PB villain and it is annoying to get bounced off a tier in Grandville. First few times is comic ... after that goes annoying
Other than that I switch out of human only if I join a group. Too common to have your target killed out from under you while you are arcing back to contact. |
I only have 4 points protection (so far) and very rarely do I get hammered around.
Agreed. This isn't a PB Human Form problem. This is a -KB problem.
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Originally Posted by Gehnen
Get some -KB IO's, seriously. If you find them to be too expensive on the Market, just run some tip missions and buy them with A-Merits.
I only have 4 points protection (so far) and very rarely do I get hammered around. |
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When I look at the human attacks I see the powers that are available in the forms (or vice versa). I am just having difficulty fashioning a human only that has its own feel.
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Originally Posted by Gehnen
Get some -KB IO's, seriously. If you find them to be too expensive on the Market, just run some tip missions and buy them with A-Merits.
I only have 4 points protection (so far) and very rarely do I get hammered around. |
(And... you can fly. Getting knocked off a Grandville ledge shouldn't be an issue!
... ok, unless they web 'nade you, but still.)
Another alternative if you don't mind your own KB is the Kinetic Crash set. With 4 slots you get 3 points of KB protection, which is enough to protect you from the majority of the knockback that's thrown around.
Throw in the Dam/KB, the Dam/End/KB, the Acc/KB, and the Acc/Dam/KB, then pad it out with an el-cheapo Acc/Dam from another set. You lose about 10% damage enhancement, but you get more mitigation from your KB as well. Plus if you don't mind waiting on the market, it's entirely possible to get all the recipes for under 10,000 inf.
It's definitely not as efficient of an option as a KB IO, but it'll get you there dang cheap.
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Yep, slotting a Blessing of the Zephyr -KB was the best thing I did for my Human Only PB (Human only from 1 to 50), and that includes her six purple sets 
I will try that. Thanks. This is a new direction for playing. I got 6 chars to 50 but started another after. Time to learn this aspect of the game.
Instead of thinking of your human form only as only a scrapper you might try to use IO procs like Devastation: Chance of Hold in both Glinting Eye and Gleaming Blast and Energy Manipulator: Chance to Stun in Stamina along with Pulsar to give it a different feel and utility than what the forms provide. These kinds of controls are mostly useful against minions of course but I still find them fun to have.
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The PvP PBAoE has some very cheap IOs (I bought the Def/End/Rech for 2 million). Three of them give 3 points of KB protection as well. Not as cheap as Kinetic Crash that's for sure. Btu not awful either
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Originally Posted by Basilisk
Another alternative if you don't mind your own KB is the Kinetic Crash set. With 4 slots you get 3 points of KB protection, which is enough to protect you from the majority of the knockback that's thrown around.
Throw in the Dam/KB, the Dam/End/KB, the Acc/KB, and the Acc/Dam/KB, then pad it out with an el-cheapo Acc/Dam from another set. You lose about 10% damage enhancement, but you get more mitigation from your KB as well. Plus if you don't mind waiting on the market, it's entirely possible to get all the recipes for under 10,000 inf. It's definitely not as efficient of an option as a KB IO, but it'll get you there dang cheap. |
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How does putting Energy Manipulator: Chance to Stun in Stamina help?
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Originally Posted by Irresponsible
Instead of thinking of your human form only as only a scrapper you might try to use IO procs like Devastation: Chance of Hold in both Glinting Eye and Gleaming Blast and Energy Manipulator: Chance to Stun in Stamina along with Pulsar to give it a different feel and utility than what the forms provide. These kinds of controls are mostly useful against minions of course but I still find them fun to have.
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It's not a big help but since it's always on in Stamina it fires enough to be noticable. With it and the other control procs available you can turn your HF into a Scraptroller. The point was the OP was trying to find something different to set the human only build apart from the other forms.
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Originally Posted by Jot
How does putting Energy Manipulator: Chance to Stun in Stamina help?
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Erm... chance to disorient in stamina will only have a chance to disorient the "target" of stamina, which is you. I think it was changed, though, to not have any effect in self affecting powers.
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Originally Posted by Irresponsible
It's not a big help but since it's always on in Stamina it fires enough to be noticable. With it and the other control procs available you can turn your HF into a Scraptroller. The point was the OP was trying to find something different to set the human only build apart from the other forms.
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I'm scratching my head at that too. What exactly are you trying to stun with an auto, self-affecting only power?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Erm... chance to disorient in stamina will only have a chance to disorient the "target" of stamina, which is you. I think it was changed, though, to not have any effect in self affecting powers.
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I thought they fixed that in a non retarded way so that instead of stunning yourself (hilarious!) or just not working (sucks!) it simply granted the target a temporary aura (unless they already have one from a previous application of the proc) which has a chance of stunning any enemy in melee range or even at some greater distance. Apparently not though and I guess that would require a different proc to be created for slotting in offensive powers. Regardless, Human Form only PBs can still have mad control skills.
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Originally Posted by Cynical_Gamer
I'm scratching my head at that too. What exactly are you trying to stun with an auto, self-affecting only power?
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I have been dual building between a human only (run as a scrapper) and a dual build (Nova/Dwarf). My major concern for my human only build is Incandescent Strike. I seem to get knockbacked constantly while waiting for this horribly long animation to complete. Does anyone else have this issue with its animation? The worst part of this is if you get KB at the apex of the move you fly way back. I tend to have to hit Lightform to take on heavier hitters or larger groups.
I guess I am curious for general input from other PB out there over human form only. I find human only for a PB as passable but not dramatic. I am considering redesigning both my builds (changing to human scrapper/dwarf and a human utility/nova) in a effort to mix up my lvl 50 PB.