Greater Devoured To-Hit bonus: bug or WAI?
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Posted on: 2010-09-19 20:22 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Are you sure the GD wasn't being affected by a quartz crystal at the time? I don't know if the bonus would be added into his reading or not but that would certainly explain it.
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Were no pets spawned. Besides that, I've seen the same in another tip mission with DE. Nevertheless, I'll try to get another screenie without damage proc going off in surveilance.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Are you sure the GD wasn't being affected by a quartz crystal at the time? I don't know if the bonus would be added into his reading or not but that would certainly explain it.
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It's nowhere NEAR high enough for a quartz crystal buff, those things put out something like +100% tohit buff.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
Are you sure the GD wasn't being affected by a quartz crystal at the time? I don't know if the bonus would be added into his reading or not but that would certainly explain it.
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I'd guess it's either a mistyped base value or an intentional buff like the Malta Gunslingers have. Which one is something only the Dev's probably know.
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I find it odd that his tohit and accuracy are identical to yours.
I'm more inclined to believe that surveillance itself is messed up.
If he actually had a 64% tohit buff on top of a 1.3 accuracy, he'd be hitting my SR scrapper a hell of a lot more than he does, and I've fought him quite a few times over the last week.
Edit: You say that surveillance shows most critters have base 50% tohit? That'd make sense as they do. IF this is accurate, then the Demolisher would have a 14% tohit buff which I could see as working as intended. Still don't get that accuracy buff.... unless he conned as an LT instead of a boss. Do you have bosses disabled?
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It isn't mine accuracy and to-hit in combat monitor. Comabat monitor mirrors numbers from combat attributes window.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I find it odd that his tohit and accuracy are identical to yours.
I'm more inclined to believe that surveillance itself is messed up. If he actually had a 64% tohit buff on top of a 1.3 accuracy, he'd be hitting my SR scrapper a hell of a lot more than he does, and I've fought him quite a few times over the last week. Edit: You say that surveillance shows most critters have base 50% tohit? That'd make sense as they do. IF this is accurate, then the Demolisher would have a 14% tohit buff which I could see as working as intended. Still don't get that accuracy buff.... unless he conned as an LT instead of a boss. Do you have bosses disabled? |
I have 1.77 accuracy bonus and 97.6% to-hit without build-up and placate
LTs accuracy is 1.15, whereas boss, EB and sniper have 1.3. So no surprise there
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
It isn't mine accuracy and to-hit in combat monitor. Comabat monitor mirrors numbers from combat attributes window.
I have 1.77 accuracy bonus and 97.6% to-hit without build-up and placate |
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I edited my previous post to include base accuracy numbers for LTs and bosses.
LTs accuracy is 1.15, whereas boss, EB and sniper have 1.3
My memory is failing badly today it seems. Thought bosses were up there with AVs on base accuracy but I see that I was very wrong.
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According to PM from Castle, the 64% To-Hit bonus is WAD
That explains why my widow hurts more against these guys than I'd normally expect.
Guess they're another thing to hit elude for 
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Just a minor correction, I believe those have 64% base tohit, not a 64% tohit bonus. That's just unfortunate wording in the Real Numbers displays.|
Originally Posted by NordBlast
According to PM from Castle, the 64% To-Hit bonus is WAD
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Interesting that that Greater Devoured is classified in ... that way. Going to have to check other GDs elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Just a minor correction, I believe those have 64% base tohit, not a 64% tohit bonus. That's just unfortunate wording in the Real Numbers displays.
Interesting that that Greater Devoured is classified in ... that way. Going to have to check other GDs elsewhere. |
I used the name from combat attribute window only to avoid confusion. When you are looking at your own numbers, it gives you breakdown of what constitutes To-Hit Bonus and Base To-Hit is listed there. Different story for enemy numbers though.
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Agreed. The DE bombing tip gets me every time, because the boss is a Greater Devoured.
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Originally Posted by Korith
That explains why my widow hurts more against these guys than I'd normally expect.
Guess they're another thing to hit elude for |
It wasn't just the Greater Devoured. Several weeks ago I noticed that all enemies in those L50 hero tip DE cave missions (there's a "save the scientists" one too) had 64% tohit. I checked the combat logs and used the power analyzer temp power (same results as in pics above) on the other DE such as herders, deathblossoms, etc.
Normal non-boss DE in city zones (I believe I checked in Founders Falls) had the expected 50% tohit. I did not at the time check Greater Devoured in a city zone, since I was more surprised by the "buffed" minions in the caves, and couldn't find a story-driven reason for the buff... and therefore submitted it as a bug.
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There's a couple new critter types with base 64% tohit. Its not something specific to the DE. However, I don't have a list of what uses those critter types off hand.
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Originally Posted by PirateCrew
It wasn't just the Greater Devoured. Several weeks ago I noticed that all enemies in those L50 hero tip DE cave missions (there's a "save the scientists" one too) had 64% tohit. I checked the combat logs and used the power analyzer temp power (same results as in pics above) on the other DE such as herders, deathblossoms, etc.
Normal non-boss DE in city zones (I believe I checked in Founders Falls) had the expected 50% tohit. I did not at the time check Greater Devoured in a city zone, since I was more surprised by the "buffed" minions in the caves, and couldn't find a story-driven reason for the buff... and therefore submitted it as a bug. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
There's a couple new critter types with base 64% tohit. Its not something specific to the DE. However, I don't have a list of what uses those critter types off hand.
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I'd noticed a problem with Greater Devoureds while working tips on my softcapped claws/sr, was being tagged way more often than expected. Ran several test runs, made absolutely sure their were no quartzes about (but as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, their effect is so strong its hard to miss), couldn't pin it down. Seemed to have experienced a critical thinking failure, despite firing off surveillance I completely missed this elevated tohit bonus. Now my numbers perfectly line up.
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Mmmmggrf. That's kinda annoying, actually. If they want to go after the softcapped-non-defense-armorset-characters, I'd really prefer if they did it with defense debuffs rather than tohit buffs, as that at least allows *some* kind of protection for characters who are actually *supposed* to have defense-based mitigation (and thus have DDR).|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
There's a couple new critter types with base 64% tohit. Its not something specific to the DE. However, I don't have a list of what uses those critter types off hand.
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If they really want to do that, the best way (imo) would be a relatively large-radius autohit aura with a relatively small ~5%ish debuff that follows the 'one active at a time' rule. Softcapped defense set characters probably wouldn't even notice the 1-2% debuff, but softcapped squishies would definitely notice going from 45% to 40%. Just jacking base tohit, though, is kinda cheap.
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It is possible that the intent is to effect all characters as equally as possible...|
Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
Mmmmggrf. That's kinda annoying, actually. If they want to go after the softcapped-non-defense-armorset-characters, I'd really prefer if they did it with defense debuffs rather than tohit buffs, as that at least allows *some* kind of protection for characters who are actually *supposed* to have defense-based mitigation (and thus have DDR).
If they really want to do that, the best way (imo) would be a relatively large-radius autohit aura with a relatively small ~5%ish debuff that follows the 'one active at a time' rule. Softcapped defense set characters probably wouldn't even notice the 1-2% debuff, but softcapped squishies would definitely notice going from 45% to 40%. Just jacking base tohit, though, is kinda cheap. |
But honestly, it seems strange...why should these particular mobs have a higher hit chance?
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Off the top of my head, I'd hazard a guess that the DE are gonna see a few upgrades and new storylines, what with Hami being such a powerhouse in Praetoria, and I suspect those mobs are gonna start dimension-hopping into Paragon and the Isles.
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
It is possible that the intent is to effect all characters as equally as possible...
But honestly, it seems strange...why should these particular mobs have a higher hit chance? |
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Maybe... But so far, DE's 64% Base To-Hit is only in Tip missions (all mobs except Granites. Granites have regular 50%). Zone DE have regular 50% to-hit.
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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake
Off the top of my head, I'd hazard a guess that the DE are gonna see a few upgrades and new storylines, what with Hami being such a powerhouse in Praetoria, and I suspect those mobs are gonna start dimension-hopping into Paragon and the Isles.
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That sort of proves the point even more so. They might not be "our" Devouring Earth, and the new dimensional access points are allowing more than Praetorians to come through.
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
Maybe... But so far, DE's 64% Base To-Hit is only in Tip missions (all mobs except Granites. Granites have regular 50%). Zone DE have regular 50% to-hit.
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Greater Devoured having 64% To-Hit bonus. Is it bug or WAI?
Almost every NPC in the game including AVs and GMs have to-hit bonus 50%. So, I was kind of surprised to see 64% for Greater Devoured