What are the chances of Super Strength Stalkers?

Jab
Punch
Assassin's Blow
Rage (I think it would work! if not build up)
Placate
Haymaker
Knockout Blow
Hurl
Footstomp

The thought of a hidden footstomp makes me giggle with joy. SS could make another great primary for stalkers that doesn't get gimped on AOE damage.

Do you see any reason why this couldn't happen?

I say the chance is near ZERO. If they go by the theme that "Stalker can't hide with a Shield", then I would say Stalkers aren't usually seen as "Super-Strength". Assassins are supposed to be "skinny, evil..." after all. lol I don't agree but I say the chance is very slim.

I actually think Shield set would fit very very well in Stalker.


I want War Mace a lot more by the way.

Rage would likely be overpowered for Stalkers and replaced with Build Up, as you suggested.

AoE attacks from Hide do not auto-crit, so the "hidden Footstomp" to which you refer would not be nearly as impressive as you believe.

Everything else seems pretty solid, though, unless the developers have decided that Super Strength doesn't really match the idea of a stealthy AT (which I could understand from their perspective). Stalkers are generally intended to be thought of like thieves or rogues in other roleplaying games--fast, and with a big bag of tricks. Super Strength is kind of the antithesis of "fast," though...

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1) You have Rage WAY too early. Rage comes as late as it does in the set because it is such a good overall power.

2) I see what you did there, choosing Foot Stomp over Hand Clap. Given that Stalkers get Repulse, which is also an AoE knockback, I would call it likely you would get Hand Clap instead.

In short, yeah, if you set it up that way, it's going to sound fantastic. But the devs are more likely to set it up in a way that is not so fantastic. On the good side, it's at least possible that a little bit of the damage from Foot Stomp might be moved into Hand Clap to compensate.

One thing keeps appearing in my mind....
Sneak up on squishy that is typing and not paying attention, pop reds, que AS, rage crash, AS for 2 points damage.
How embarrassing.

Also, Assassin's Strikes are the tier 4 power, available at level 6, your setup there would have it available at level 2. Move Haymaker into the tier 3 slot and everything else down one tier.

I would actually rather stalkers NOT get Super Strength, just because I feel that at least a few sets should stay exclusive to 1 or 2 ATs. So scrappers and stalkers should keep exclusive access to the single sword sets and Martial Arts, while tankers and brutes should keep exclusive access to Super Strength and Stone Melee. I'd have no problem with stalkers and scrappers getting access to War Mace and Battle Axe though, and I think scrappers should get Energy Melee because they are the only melee AT that doesn't get it.

Only if Assassin's Blow is renamed to Assassin's Smash!

I have an amusing mental image of a Stalker creeping up to someone, using Rage, and then, as he prepares for Assassin's Whatever, screams STALKER ANGRY! STALKER SMASH!

If they won't give SS to Scrappers, they definitely won't give SS to Stalkers.

Chance is flat Zero.

Take a good look at the sets Claws, Dual Blades, Dark Melee, Kinetic Melee. Each of these sets have had their native +damage / +to-hit power replaced: Follow up, blinding feint, Soul Drain, and Power Siphon are all gone in the stalker builds, replaced with build up.

Super-Stength as a set, actually relies on the Rage power to drive the sets total DPS. I've been over this multiple times in the forums, so if you actually do care about the technical reasons, please use the search function.

The short version is, for Tanks and Brutes the Super Strength power-set is one of the weakest power-sets on straight power per power listed damage and damage per activation. Only after the Rage damage has been added is Super Strength comparable in terms of Total Damage and Damage Per Activation to other sets.

Taking rage out of the set, a REQUIREMENT... let me repeat that... REQUIREMENT for being added to the Stalker Pool, would require the developers having to rebalanced the figures for each individual power to match the expected Total Damage / DPA for each attack still in the Super Strength set.

This would mean that attacks such as Jab, Punch, Haymaker, and Knockout blow, if kept, would have a much higher total damage compared to the same power on a Brute. This would also mean that stalker version would not have the benefit / disadvantage / offset, whatever you want to call it, of the Rage Crash. This means additional changes to the numbers in order to fit Total Damage and DPA for each power into an envelope where the set is competitive.

Then there is the really big problem. Without Rage, the set just becomes a series of 1 / 2 punches.

Taunt Becomes Placate, Hand Clap goes bai bai for Assassin's Strike, and Rage goes bai bai for Build up.

That just leaves Jab, Punch, Haymaker, Knockout blow, Hurl and Footstomp.

Which basically means you have Energy Melee without the glowing hands.

Stalkers already get Energy Melee. Not to mention, a Super Strength set would have more straight single target damage than EM, so kiss another power good-by for something with a mez effect, which would likely be a quick melee stun... and um.

You've still got nothing but Energy Melee without the glowy hands.

So no. Super Stength is just not a candidate for stalkers.

I like it but I'd rather see:

Punch
Haymaker
Knockout Blow
Assassin's Smash
Rage
Placate
Hand Clap
Hurl
Foot Stomp

I was very disappointed when they removed Lightning Clap from Electrical Melee.

Well, when it comes to damage, the truth is Super Strength is not all that different from the way Claws used to be. Super Strength is NOT balanced around Rage, the devs designed the set with low damage, fast recharging attacks, and because of the way chaining effects DPS, this made for a low damage set. Claws was exactly the same. SS lucked out with Rage, the power was not meant to balance it, but turned out to be so powerful that it did.

The difference is, Claws did not have a sustainable damage buff like Rage, in fact their buff is about half of that. And so Claws got a rebalance, with the damage and recharge times rebalanced for their animation times. Brutes even got a modified version of Claws, with a lower damage potential. So the precendent is there, although it is rare, for a Set to be modified for a particular AT.

What I suspect is that Super Strength and Martial Arts are meant to be the counterpart to each other. The custom animations that were added for both sets have brought them closer together, visually, with some shared animations, and a lot more punches for Martial Arts. So if Super Strength WERE rebalanced for Stalkers, I would expect it to end up a lot like Martial Arts. More that than Energy Melee, at any rate.

I must say that a long time ago, though, I wanted to see a version of Super Strength for Scrappers that was more about snaring foes and throwing them around. Like, drop the Hand Clap, Foot Stomp and Rage for some sort of lasso or rope that can pull someone towards you and punch them, or swing them around. Sort of the way Spiderman or Wonder Woman uses their strength. Then again, I discarded the idea when I realized there really isn't a mechanism to let you knock or pull someone TOWARDS you.

I'm not so sure that proliferation will continue now that the ATs are no longer tied to a respective side. But who knows.

I'd love to have a War Mace Scrapper.

I would say "why not?" to it if they replaced Rage with Build Up. Is super strength much different conceptually than energy melee? I think not. I think Footstomp from Hide would be awesome as well.

Stalkers get the vacuum set already. Sure its called Kinetic melee......to further amplify thier sucking.

Look children, Rogues work in other games. Healtards work in other games. They dont work here because of the mechanics. Give it up already. Play something that works, instead of giving in to your inner 12 yr old "hurp a derp, i iz hiden adn won shoot a dude. I'z AWESUM" and trying to make things that are squares fit into triangles.

That's a troll post, if I ever saw one.

When I think theme, I don't think so much as a look of the character using it, but of the set itself. Assassin's are finesse, basically. I mean, look at what people want to name the special attack 'Assassin's Smash' it's like an oxymoron, assassin's don't smash things!