Uh, it's awesome in resist sets too. Like I said, I'm soft-capped to range and melee with one application of DA on my /elec.
Neither DA nor Parry belong in an AV soloing attack chain, nor should they be paired with defensive sets. For softcapping defense use IO's
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Not going to argue with you about AVs, but I do make good use of DA on my Ninjitsu stalker. One thing you can't get from IOs is DDR so if you're a fan of the ITF (and I am) you're going to get slaughtered with merely soft-capped melee defense... or at least you'll need to disengage every time something hits you or else face cascade failure on a frequent basis.|
Originally Posted by Silverado
Neither DA nor Parry belong in an AV soloing attack chain, nor should they be paired with defensive sets. For softcapping defense use IO's
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Besides, without having to worry about melee defense you have a few more options for slotting when you don't need to put defense bonuses in every power you have and/or stack up tough/weave or maneuvers. SRs can easily skip it, but it is handy on sets that have little to no DDR.
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Honoree becomes 100% resistant to S/L damage. Worse, 100% resistant also means he is immune to -res effects from all sources including Radiation debuffs, the achilees heel proc, etc.|
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DA has cloak of fear, which can be slotted for more than a 12% ToHit debuff...
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Which, after the AV resistance to tohit debuffs, provides almost as much defense as unslotted Combat Jumping.|
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DA has cloak of fear, which can be slotted for more than a 12% ToHit debuff...
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As for DA/Parry... *shrug* Like I said, I never ran any attack chains that included them, but they provide rather silly amounts of mitigation.
And I don't remember all of the AVs that can go immune off the top of my head. I remember Wraith was one back in i8 (and may still be, but I never checked), and the Honoree still is.
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Which is enough considering that DA also has decent resists...
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Which, after the AV resistance to tohit debuffs, provides almost as much defense as unslotted Combat Jumping.
As for DA/Parry... *shrug* Like I said, I never ran any attack chains that included them, but they provide rather silly amounts of mitigation. And I don't remember all of the AVs that can go immune off the top of my head. I remember Wraith was one back in i8 (and may still be, but I never checked), and the Honoree still is. |
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true story, I've got a -res proc in GC, SotW, GD, and SD. they make a difference all right.|
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If the AV has less lethal resistance, I think Katana/Ninja Blade could be very good especially if you slot for procs. Ninja Blade is very quick.
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This thread is making me want to go hunt an AV or two on my NB/Nin
@Siolfir- Divine Avalanche is a tiny of bit of mitigation? I don't understand. Are you saying b/c it only covers Melee and Lethal Dmg? no doubt my mids could be botched but with 2 DA's stacked I am getting 45% defense fully slotted. With three it's reading 75% but getting three off is more unlikely.
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@Siolfir- Divine Avalanche is a tiny of bit of mitigation?
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... Divine Avalanche/Parry is probably going to be the most useful powers to keep yourself alive, but I didn't look at attack chains that factor them in.
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As for DA/Parry... *shrug* Like I said, I never ran any attack chains that included them, but they provide rather silly amounts of mitigation.
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If you're talking about the "almost as much as Combat Jumping", if you'd look at what I responded to, which was quoted in the post, I was talking about slotting Cloak of Fear for tohit debuff as a means of mitigation against an AV.
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I think they misconstrued when you said "DA/Parry provide rather silly amounts of mitigation" as "DA/Parry provide bad or inconsequential amounts of mitigation".
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Yes. I mean if you don't use it that's cool I was just asking. It seems with this game that there's still so much to learn even after all this time...for instance I didn't know you could buff Phantom Army is you Phase Shift! I just found out last week from a vet friend lol.
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I think they misconstrued when you said "DA/Parry provide rather silly amounts of mitigation" as "DA/Parry provide bad or inconsequential amounts of mitigation".
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Yes. I mean if you don't use it that's cool I was just asking. It seems with this game that there's still so much to learn even after all this time...for instance I didn't know you could buff Phantom Army is you Phase Shift! I just found out last week from a vet friend lol.
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Seriously?
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... holy @$%&.
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When I said "silly levels of mitigation", what I meant was "very high level of mitigation, often far more than is required". I assumed it would have been construed as such when I had previously commented on them being "probably the most useful powers to keep yourself alive", but apparently not. Pretty much every time I've used the phrase it was a positive. I've also used "ridiculous" in place of silly.
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Ah ok.
If I had the billions of inf to waste, I'm sure my Stalker could solo an AV. I messed around with various AV's in the Architect, and while I managed to slowly tick away at the AV's health bar, I didn't have enough endurance or defense to last for such a prolonged period of time. They smacked me down eventually, but I usually got them down to 3/4 of their HP before dying.
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I have been wondering this for sometime now, sorry if this has been asked before. Can a Stalker really be an AV killer? I have seen so many other Archetypes pull it off, but I don't think I have ever seen or heard of a Stalker doing it.
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So the best I can get from every ones post is that for the most part a Stalker soloing an AV is about as doable as it is for a Scrapper/Brute, only a little harder, from what I can tell due to HP and end management, and even then thanks to the new APP, that might not be as much as a problem?
As for Secondaries, couldn't you use just about anything, depending on how you set/slot it? I am not so much a fan of /Nin, but I love Dark Armor and Elec. If I remember right doesn't Bill have a Kat/DA Scrapper that he has soloed a few AVs with? ( I could have the wrong person in mind I can't remember read it like 2 or 3 months ago)
Well anyway it goes I am working on a few scrappers and I'd love to give it a try when i get to the levels where I can really start planing and slotting the things I need 
You guys have been great on the info thanks a lot
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I take that back, now that I think about it, it was Werner that has the Kat/DA scrapper not Bill!
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So the best I can get from every ones post is that for the most part a Stalker soloing an AV is about as doable as it is for a Scrapper/Brute, only a little harder, from what I can tell due to HP and end management, and even then thanks to the new APP, that might not be as much as a problem?
As for Secondaries, couldn't you use just about anything, depending on how you set/slot it? I am not so much a fan of /Nin, but I love Dark Armor and Elec. If I remember right doesn't Bill have a Kat/DA Scrapper that he has soloed a few AVs with? ( I could have the wrong person in mind I can't remember read it like 2 or 3 months ago ) Well anyway it goes I am working on a few scrappers and I'd love to give it a try when i get to the levels where I can really start planing and slotting the things I need You guys have been great on the info thanks a lot |
I'm wondering if there's a good way to quantify how much the loss in stalker survivability hurts you. I've now taken down an even-con Manticore a couple times, and his Teleport Arrow is hitting me for 1028.58 damage through 54.39% resistance. I haven't died to him but I suspect that's a matter of luck; any time I'm sitting at < 1000 hp (which I did for a non-insignifcant portion of the fight) I'm liable to get killed. I wasted a lot of my healing from Energize just trying to keep myself over that mark.
If I'm doing my math right, Tp Arrow is doing 2255 damage before resists; that means that it will one-shot any stalker with less than 29% or so smashing resistance (yes, my combat log says smashing, even though it's an arrow). That rules out /SR, /energy, /nin, and possibly a lot of /regen builds from taking him down without relying on luck (with enough DPS and defense you could maybe kill him before getting hit by it, but not consistently). The burst would just be too much, even if they could easily handle his average damage.
I'm rather new to the AV soloing scene so I don't know just how much of that sort of burst damage is out there. I'm beginning to suspect, though, that due to our HP cap the capability to handle burst limits our AV survivability moreso than the ability to heal consistently. This worries me a little.
It also makes me feel better about choosing to do this with a resist-based set.
(EDIT: According to the wiki, Teleport Arrow is autohit, which would totally screw over non-resist sets, but my combat logs indicate that this is not the case)
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I'm wondering if there's a good way to quantify how much the loss in stalker survivability hurts you.
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I have no idea how it works though, just that it exists. And I can tell you that wile against most content we are "almost" as survivable as scrappers, against the kind of hits taht AVs put out, we are at a severe disadvantage. It is by no means impossible, just we're much more vulnerable to bad luck and streakbreaker.
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I've never tried pairing Ninja Blade with a Resistance Set...it makes me a bit uneasy just thinking about it. Divine Avalanche is just such an awesome power.