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Originally Posted by Demonic_Spark
I take that back, now that I think about it, it was Werner that has the Kat/DA scrapper not Bill!
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I'm pretty sure my DM/Nin stalker can solo a few AVs. I tanked Eochai for quite a while during the Halloween event a couple years back (completely by accident, I jumped in and didn't notice the rest of the team didn't come with me), so I don't think survivability will be an issue. And I'm pretty sure my stalker's DPS is higher than my BS/DA scrapper's, so if he could do it, so can the stalker.
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For ST damage, is MA better than Dark Melee now? I am not so sure if the -tohit effect matters that much against AV but the self heal is probably pretty important.
I may want to give MA a try and turn him into a ST damage machine but not if DM can still compete and offer a bit more like fear/healing/tohit and negative damage.
Is Martial Arts' damage a lot higher than DM and EM? If not, I still can't convince myself to commit to a set that only does ST.
And also, Kinetic seems to be pretty good too if you focus on the first 3 faster attacks and only use concentrated strike and skip focused burst? The -damage debuff is probably decent against AVs.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
For ST damage, is MA better than Dark Melee now? I am not so sure if the -tohit effect matters that much against AV but the self heal is probably pretty important.
I may want to give MA a try and turn him into a ST damage machine but not if DM can still compete and offer a bit more like fear/healing/tohit and negative damage. Is Martial Arts' damage a lot higher than DM and EM? If not, I still can't convince myself to commit to a set that only does ST. And also, Kinetic seems to be pretty good too if you focus on the first 3 faster attacks and only use concentrated strike and skip focused burst? The -damage debuff is probably decent against AVs. |
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Doing the numbers with Mids, Focused Burst loses a bit of DPS over using Quick Strike, but not a whole lot to make a difference.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
For ST damage, is MA better than Dark Melee now? I am not so sure if the -tohit effect matters that much against AV but the self heal is probably pretty important.
I may want to give MA a try and turn him into a ST damage machine but not if DM can still compete and offer a bit more like fear/healing/tohit and negative damage. Is Martial Arts' damage a lot higher than DM and EM? If not, I still can't convince myself to commit to a set that only does ST. And also, Kinetic seems to be pretty good too if you focus on the first 3 faster attacks and only use concentrated strike and skip focused burst? The -damage debuff is probably decent against AVs. |
If you're going strictly for DPS, Quick Strike is the better pick. I however love the range of FB, and it just adds to the super feeling of the set, so I use FB over QS.
Currently trying to solo Infernal as a level 50 AV. I had a nice chunk out of him, all was looking good (not using inspirations, but do make use of the mutation power from the mutant pack), I had the +Defense option from mutation going (which basically replaces the +3% Defense PvP IO I'm still missing (I'm working towards it with hero merits, but slowly, if I was trying harder for it, I'd have it by now), when I hit mutation and wouldn't you know it...I reclick it to turn into a Rikti monkey! Grrrrr...
Still missing 3 Armageddon IOs and the PvP IO from my build to have a gapless attack chain. And I'd beable to increase my DPS, if I could move the IOs in CS (5 Hecatomb's) into BB or BS, for the proc to go off more often, but haven't figured a way to get CS to recharge fast enough outside the current slotting.
My build also lacks Hasten.
When i19 hit, I'm sure to improve on the AV soloing build.
So far against Infernal however, I haven't seen a need for tactics to be used against Infernal, which saves on the end (59.62-62.19% slotted ACC in my attacks, with 42% Global Acc in set bonuses, and a Kismet unique seems to be enough to hit Infernal with no real notices in misses).
Infernal is a tough one for Scrappers however, so I figure it'll be a bit tougher for Stalkers.
You might get more out of DM's heal than KM's -dmg. However, if memory serves, you'll need less recharge for KM's chain, thus freeing up room to improve your defenses.
Martial Arts I have no doubt has the DPS for AV soloing, but the stuns won't get through enough to be a big enough factor (in my experience with KM at least, which I have stunned Infernal, but it never lasted long to give lots of regen room).
DM's -tohit and self heal, or KM's -dmg, will probably help more in this area.
And remember, defense! That's the important part.
Also as a note for when you start, Infernal see's through Hide and a Stealth IO. Makes getting off a starting AS difficult at times.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
Damage comparison with MA and EM, and another post for DM.
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Looks like DM still offers more for AV fights even if its dps is a bit behind EM and MA.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Doing the numbers with Mids, Focused Burst loses a bit of DPS over using Quick Strike, but not a whole lot to make a difference.
If you're going strictly for DPS, Quick Strike is the better pick. I however love the range of FB, and it just adds to the super feeling of the set, so I use FB over QS. Currently trying to solo Infernal as a level 50 AV. I had a nice chunk out of him, all was looking good (not using inspirations, but do make use of the mutation power from the mutant pack), I had the +Defense option from mutation going (which basically replaces the +3% Defense PvP IO I'm still missing (I'm working towards it with hero merits, but slowly, if I was trying harder for it, I'd have it by now), when I hit mutation and wouldn't you know it...I reclick it to turn into a Rikti monkey! Grrrrr... Still missing 3 Armageddon IOs and the PvP IO from my build to have a gapless attack chain. And I'd beable to increase my DPS, if I could move the IOs in CS (5 Hecatomb's) into BB or BS, for the proc to go off more often, but haven't figured a way to get CS to recharge fast enough outside the current slotting. My build also lacks Hasten. When i19 hit, I'm sure to improve on the AV soloing build. So far against Infernal however, I haven't seen a need for tactics to be used against Infernal, which saves on the end (59.62-62.19% slotted ACC in my attacks, with 42% Global Acc in set bonuses, and a Kismet unique seems to be enough to hit Infernal with no real notices in misses). Infernal is a tough one for Scrappers however, so I figure it'll be a bit tougher for Stalkers. You might get more out of DM's heal than KM's -dmg. However, if memory serves, you'll need less recharge for KM's chain, thus freeing up room to improve your defenses. Martial Arts I have no doubt has the DPS for AV soloing, but the stuns won't get through enough to be a big enough factor (in my experience with KM at least, which I have stunned Infernal, but it never lasted long to give lots of regen room). DM's -tohit and self heal, or KM's -dmg, will probably help more in this area. And remember, defense! That's the important part. Also as a note for when you start, Infernal see's through Hide and a Stealth IO. Makes getting off a starting AS difficult at times. |
Thanks for the details. Yeah, I like Focused Burst a lot too. My Kin/Dark skipped Quick Strike at the moment.
Do most AVs have very strong resistance to -damage debuffs? I guess my point is does -damage matter when Stalker's health is low? It may matter more for Brute.
Are you Kin/Will or Kin/Nin?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Thanks for the details. Yeah, I like Focused Burst a lot too. My Kin/Dark skipped Quick Strike at the moment.
Do most AVs have very strong resistance to -damage debuffs? I guess my point is does -damage matter when Stalker's health is low? It may matter more for Brute. Are you Kin/Will or Kin/Nin? |
So if you were fighting an AV with 20% Smashing and Lethal resistance but no other resistances, and were applying a 5% damage debuff per hit, the AV would have -4% per debuff on their Smashing and Lethal attacks, but the Energy/Negative/Fire/Cold attacks would be -5% (assuming KM, which doesn't offer -dam on Psi or Toxic).
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Thanks for the details. Yeah, I like Focused Burst a lot too. My Kin/Dark skipped Quick Strike at the moment.
Do most AVs have very strong resistance to -damage debuffs? I guess my point is does -damage matter when Stalker's health is low? It may matter more for Brute. Are you Kin/Will or Kin/Nin? |
However, it alone won't be enough, you'll need that defense to just basically not get hit.
Mine is KM/WP. Going up against Infernal, this doesn't give alot of Fire Resist, and my Fire Defense isn't close to being softcapped, but I do find I have a bit of breathing room, as long as the RNG works in my favor (curse that monkey!).
SoW, I also find useful. In my experience, it works great for AV fights. Now, AV fights with lots of other enemies around, not so much, but with just one hard target, I find it goes a long way.
Also of note, is I use level 33 IO sets (for exemping purposes) for the most part, those who use lvl 50 IO sets, will likely find AVs (while still likely difficult) easier than I do, with a bit more resist, do a bit more damage, even better ENDrec...ect...ect.
Won't be by much, may not even be noticable outside of the endurance concerns and a few more additional points of DPS.
I have yet to see why it wouldn't be possible for a Stalker to not solo AVs, blasters have done it, and they're squishie.
Stalkers are kinda squishie, but still tougher than a blaster. However, I started trying for Pylons. I think I need the gapless chain complete. I should have the DPS, and I was surviving the Pylons damage easily, but it was feeling slow.
My DB/WP scrapper clocked in at 155 DPS (25mins on pylon), and doing the math for KM/ on stalkers works out to be 155-166 DPS (BB - BS - FB - BB - BS - CS - Repeat) so it should be doable for stalkers to solo a pylon. I will know for sure when I get the last 3 pieces of Armageddon.
I just don't feel like testing that out further untill I do (155 DPS works out to 25mins of button smashing...that's why I'll wait to do a full test on it )Also, versus AVs, Assassin Strike may be a good substitute for FB (Placate + AS should be better DPS than FB), how I can say on Infernal and a few other AVs, getting it off even with softcapped S/L defense on Lethal using AVs, has not been a cake walk, and it just seems like I'm better off using my DPS string and ignoring AS.
That gave me the biggest chunk out of Infernal before that mutation incident.
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Hmmm...I feel a bit of a difference from starting the fight and continuing the fight, when you have your max amount of -DMG stacked on them.
However, it alone won't be enough, you'll need that defense to just basically not get hit. Mine is KM/WP. Going up against Infernal, this doesn't give alot of Fire Resist, and my Fire Defense isn't close to being softcapped, but I do find I have a bit of breathing room, as long as the RNG works in my favor (curse that monkey!). SoW, I also find useful. In my experience, it works great for AV fights. Now, AV fights with lots of other enemies around, not so much, but with just one hard target, I find it goes a long way. Also of note, is I use level 33 IO sets (for exemping purposes) for the most part, those who use lvl 50 IO sets, will likely find AVs (while still likely difficult) easier than I do, with a bit more resist, do a bit more damage, even better ENDrec...ect...ect. Won't be by much, may not even be noticable outside of the endurance concerns and a few more additional points of DPS. I have yet to see why it wouldn't be possible for a Stalker to not solo AVs, blasters have done it, and they're squishie. Stalkers are kinda squishie, but still tougher than a blaster. However, I started trying for Pylons. I think I need the gapless chain complete. I should have the DPS, and I was surviving the Pylons damage easily, but it was feeling slow. My DB/WP scrapper clocked in at 155 DPS (25mins on pylon), and doing the math for KM/ on stalkers works out to be 155-166 DPS (BB - BS - FB - BB - BS - CS - Repeat) so it should be doable for stalkers to solo a pylon. I will know for sure when I get the last 3 pieces of Armageddon. I just don't feel like testing that out further untill I do (155 DPS works out to 25mins of button smashing...that's why I'll wait to do a full test on it )Also, versus AVs, Assassin Strike may be a good substitute for FB (Placate + AS should be better DPS than FB), how I can say on Infernal and a few other AVs, getting it off even with softcapped S/L defense on Lethal using AVs, has not been a cake walk, and it just seems like I'm better off using my DPS string and ignoring AS. That gave me the biggest chunk out of Infernal before that mutation incident. |
Let us know if you've soloed Pylon! My Ice/Trapper Corr almost did it but he didn't have enough +recovery and I die when pylon was down to 25%. That 25% would be a lot easier to take down for Corr with loads of scourge....ugh. I've only tried it twice.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I got 143 dps on a pylon with my NB/elec. Yes, it took 41 minutes - I was sick and kind of bleary that day and barely noticed the time passing. I'm still far from having my damage powers all purpled out. I'm too lazy to do the calculations exactly but I think I'll end up doing around 155 dps once I'm done. The potential is there for more, but my attack chain is pretty subpar (DA -> GC -> GD -> GC -> SD -> GC means I overstack DA one-third of the time)
I did manage an even-con nictified Romulus Augustus in AE. My dps is way lower there though since I have to play super-conservatively to do it - it's a damn close fight.
If I'm doing my math right, Tp Arrow is doing 2255 damage before resists; that means that it will one-shot any stalker with less than 29% or so smashing resistance (yes, my combat log says smashing, even though it's an arrow).
Edit: Synapse does have an autohit attack, though. It causes a few problems on the LRSF if he's not kept locked down by someone.