Players attack each other in Kahn TF!
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Arbiter Oates,
Posted on: 2010-08-29 21:39 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
That happens when Rogues on the team enter the missions through Ouroboro. The same happened to our team on 2 different Kahn runs. To avoid this, Rogues should use train until ouro is fixed.
Also, I don't think it's isolated to Kahn. My team of 5 rogues and 1 hero were doing Tina's arc last night. On the first "Board Train" mission, we all went through Ouro. Once in mission, all rogues could target and attack the hero. We tried going through RWZ on the second "Board Train" with similar results. We didn't get a third before disbanding or we would have gone to the actual train and checked.
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I've never been able to enter any missions blueside through ouroboros with my rogue, Ouroboros only offers redside destinations. I did however, go through the Vanguard base in FF.
This also occurs in Praetoria with the Loyalist / Resistance divide, which could well be related.
It's hilariously funny, we had a seriously irked Demon MM on the team last night who was getting annoyed because his Demoos kept getting Sliced.
I saw it as payback for 4 months of having to listen to those growls and screeches.
Less funny for the poor Loyalist Brute who got Scourged to Death inside a Rain of Fire cast by one of the corrupters though.
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If there is "Board Train" mission, you can enter it from any Ouroboro: blue or red. That mission is listed as additional destination.
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Originally Posted by Valence_P
I've never been able to enter any missions blueside through ouroboros with my rogue, Ouroboros only offers redside destinations. I did however, go through the Vanguard base in FF.
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I was on this team with Valance (I think .. pretty sure he was one of the Stalkers and I was on my SoA crab) and just to add based on some of the other comments I saw.. It is not just Ouro portal entries. I was able to enter the mission through the RWZ hero portal and my pets were the first to attack other team mates. Our Illusionist wasn't able to teleport us, the debuffs were slowing my attack rate, and forget about a hero or vigilante healing or rezzing the 3 rogues on the team. |
Originally Posted by Valence_P
Completed a Kahn TF tonight with a mixed team of heroes and rogues. Everything was going great until we hit the final map and the room with Riechsmann. It was crazy. Team members conned green, but were targetable and would take damage or be debuffed either directly or through area attacks. Players can attack, debuff and kill each other there. Pets such as Shivans, Vanguard heavies, Phantasms, Phantom Army, etc. also turn and attack team players. We got through it, but only because of the determination of the team members. Took a lot of adapting to figure out ways to avoid unintentionally killing your own team mates.
Might not happen on a non-mixed team, I don't know. Just be warned. Edited: Rogues, not vigilantes. |
I have a LOT of AoE attacks and I am sure as I was firing away at Reichman I was probably doing damage to the tank and scrappers but the alternative was to do nothing and watch my team mates die anyway because we wouldn't have had enough damage to defeat any of the AVs in Reichman's chamber otherwise. I never touched my Omega Manuever (or as I call it my mini nuke) because I was afraid of causing a team wipe.
As Valance mentioned we stuck it out and by finding positions where debuff were minimized and AoE damage reduced, along with a SERIOUSLY long battle with Reichman, we hung on for the win. I'd team with any of those people again.. NEVER SAY QUIT! :-D But I certainly hope the devs are working this issue.
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No one was trying to enter through RWZ on our runs. What is most important, probably, is that mission should be entered anywhere from blue side to avoid this situation. I think, porting to PD from mission map, coming to blue side and entering mission map again will fix this issue.|
Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
I was on this team with Valance (I think .. pretty sure he was one of the Stalkers and I was on my SoA crab) and just to add based on some of the other comments I saw.. It is not just Ouro portal entries. I was able to enter the mission through the RWZ hero portal and my pets were the first to attack other team mates. Our Illusionist wasn't able to teleport us, the debuffs were slowing my attack rate, and forget about a hero or vigilante healing or rezzing the 3 rogues on the team.
I have a LOT of AoE attacks and I am sure as I was firing away at Reichman I was probably doing damage to the tank and scrappers but the alternative was to do nothing and watch my team mates die anyway because we wouldn't have had enough damage to defeat any of the AVs in Reichman's chamber otherwise. I never touched my Omega Manuever (or as I call it my mini nuke) because I was afraid of causing a team wipe. As Valance mentioned we stuck it out and by finding positions where debuff were minimized and AoE damage reduced, along with a SERIOUSLY long battle with Reichman, we hung on for the win. I'd team with any of those people again.. NEVER SAY QUIT! :-D But I certainly hope the devs are working this issue. |
Untill this bug fixed, I would advise Rogues to use train station in Founders. I'd also recommend them to skip PI mission. If Rogue's presence on PI mission is necessary, they can get to PI either through RWZ, or Talos->PI Ferry. To enter last mission they can ferry to Talos from PI, get next ferry to Striga and enter the last mission from ferry in Striga.
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Hrm, may have to test this out. Does it count for PvP defeat badges? Do PvP recipes drop? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Heh, If PvP recipe were to drop, it would be the best PvPIO farm. You need 4 people to start Kahn. One should be rogue and he will need to enter from anywhere other than blue side. There wouldn't be any time limit like in arena or risk of greifing like in PvP zone.|
Originally Posted by NezuChiza
Hrm, may have to test this out. Does it count for PvP defeat badges? Do PvP recipes drop? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
Heh, If PvP recipe were to drop, it would be the best PvPIO farm. You need 4 people to start Kahn. One should be rogue and he will need to enter from anywhere other than blue side. There wouldn't be any time limit like in arena or risk of greifing like in PvP zone.
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Sorry boys that sounds very nice but no PvP drops and no PvP rep for killing each other during the whole thing. So until its fixed from NOW on as I zone back from PI for the final mission from the RWZ I exit to Founder's Falls (completely ignoring that tempting mission destination provided) and hit the train station. LOL /e sniffs back the tears .. "It hurts when your own team mates Shivan one shots you" :-D
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�Those women are prostitutes? You said they were raising money for stem cell research!� � Sheldon
No no, we should report this as giving pvp rewards (rep and PVP IOs) so that it gets on a fast track to fix.
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That's good advice about not using Ouroboros as a shortcut to missions, I will be taking the long way for now, at least with my rogue.
Well, I don't know about PvP rewards as I was killed more than than I killed! :-(
Plus I was off the map a lot as I spent a lot of time running back from the hospital. After I found I couldn't use my self rez, Soul Transfer, without hurting team.
I did hear speculation on the global channels afterward that this was a plot by the Devs to increase PvP participation by making it a requisite for Task Forces!
(Devs = Nemesis?)
me and some friends ran into this the other night
i was on vigilante, and friends were hero and rogue, my rogue friend went to the "board train" mish from the redside ouro and after a few mobs we noticed our powers were able to target the rogue person
i think this whole issue is stemming from the board train mishs being able to get to them from the redside ouroboro
Did someone say real open pvp?
*runs off to test this*
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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
No no, we should report this as giving pvp rewards (rep and PVP IOs) so that it gets on a fast track to fix.
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:-D Okay that sounds like a plan. Now to REALLY speed it along let's also start a rumor that we've found a way to exploit it and FARM the missions this occurs in for added XP, INF, Salvage and Recipes. Oh Oh and its also dropping tip missions left and right along with rare purple recipes ... and pizza.
[SPECIAL ALERT.. FOR ALL THOSE THAT TEND TO READ THROUGH ANY POST AND ONLY SEE WHAT THEY WANT THE ABOVE COMMENT IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS HUMOR/SARCASM AND THERE ARE NO XP OR PURPLE RECIPE EXPLOITS ASSOCIATED WITH GLITCHED MISSIONS THAT ALLOW TEAM MATES TO ATTACK AND DEFEAT EACH OTHER. FOR THOSE THAT ONLY SEE WHAT THEY WANT AND NEVER BOTHER TO READ ANYTHING ELSE.. I'M SORRY, SO JUST HOW BAD WAS THE MISSION YOU JUST SUFFERED THROUGH BEFORE COMING BACK HERE TO SEE WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE?] lol
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When this happened to my team, we actually wanted to test this on our poor, little corrupter. Time to do some flashback testing or something, so I can see if you actually get any benefit out of it. (Or we could just bold-faced lie like the above)
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
:-D Okay that sounds like a plan. Now to REALLY speed it along let's also start a rumor that we've found a way to exploit it and FARM the missions this occurs in for added XP, INF, Salvage and Recipes. Oh Oh and its also dropping tip missions left and right along with rare purple recipes ... and pizza.
[SPECIAL ALERT.. FOR ALL THOSE THAT TEND TO READ THROUGH ANY POST AND ONLY SEE WHAT THEY WANT THE ABOVE COMMENT IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS HUMOR/SARCASM AND THERE ARE NO XP OR PURPLE RECIPE EXPLOITS ASSOCIATED WITH GLITCHED MISSIONS THAT ALLOW TEAM MATES TO ATTACK AND DEFEAT EACH OTHER. FOR THOSE THAT ONLY SEE WHAT THEY WANT AND NEVER BOTHER TO READ ANYTHING ELSE.. I'M SORRY, SO JUST HOW BAD WAS THE MISSION YOU JUST SUFFERED THROUGH BEFORE COMING BACK HERE TO SEE WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE?] lol |
We just tested this out tonight and it is AWESOME. Old pvp for the win! So fun! 
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Was he building fury from every tick?
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Less funny for the poor Loyalist Brute who got Scourged to Death inside a Rain of Fire cast by one of the corrupters though.
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I had the same problem last night with my Rogue Mastermind. I did use the Vanguard portal to get from Founders to PI and back. I'll be more careful about this until I fully switch alignments.
Flying into the final mission and being slaughtered by my team was no fun. I couldn't be rezzed because of my 'enemy' status, but my team could get Vengeance off me.
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Oates
This is a known issue. We are working on a fix.
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Completed a Kahn TF tonight with a mixed team of heroes and rogues. Everything was going great until we hit the final map and the room with Riechsmann. It was crazy. Team members conned green, but were targetable and would take damage or be debuffed either directly or through area attacks. Players can attack, debuff and kill each other there. Pets such as Shivans, Vanguard heavies, Phantasms, Phantom Army, etc. also turn and attack team players. We got through it, but only because of the determination of the team members. Took a lot of adapting to figure out ways to avoid unintentionally killing your own team mates.
Might not happen on a non-mixed team, I don't know. Just be warned.
Edited: Rogues, not vigilantes.