RTTC - Change?

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Ok further to what I was saying Sarrate I got these figures in from DA going into a +2 group. They may not even be the best figures but they will do.

Between an Avalanche Shaman, a Death Shaman and a Avalanche Shaman there was the run speed reduced to 5.5mph, the rechg reduced to -61.00 and tohit reduced to 4.85%, I'm sure that was base. So the moment some npcs escape your taunt takes longer to rechg so spamming that about can be slow, your gauntlet just nowhere as you can't hit a thing and getting to mobs at a distance will take time - good thing they're slow though. It's just an example, when in the early twenties its not always the way a tanker would compensate for such enemies through powers and slotting. Later on ingame you get other factors, well ya do throughout. So what in theory one could claim to expect of any tanker we might team with and what we would get is another. The only one not really penalized for easy loss of aggro is probably the tanker out of the entire team.

Trick question:

Would changing RttC from a 1 sec Activation over to a 2 sec Activation ... and simply doubling the durations of all of its effects ... result in better aggro holding?

It would mean that RttC would be potentially "slower" on the aggro magnetism all by itself, since the ticks would be every 2 seconds instead of every 1 second ... but at the same time, the doubled duration of taunt and debuff effects would strengthen RttC's aggro holding potential.

Even better yet, with two common 50 IOs in RttC, a 2.5 second duration would be extended to 4.6 seconds ... which on a 2 second activation could easily result in a double/triple stack of RttC taunts, which ought to easily extend to 6+ seconds (when including stacking) in the case of stunned mobs wandering beyond aura radius. That means that under most circumstances, a stunned mob would need to stagger to the edge of RttC radius and would then remain taunted for an additional 6+ seconds once they wandered beyond RttC radius. Again, this would strengthen RttC's aggro retention capacity, rather than diminish it or leave it the same.

Slower on the uptake, due to double activation time ... but also slower to shed aggro/regen/debuff too due to double the durations.

It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...

I am still struggling to listen to the misinformation that goes through here. I expect the naysayers have never played WP, or have only teamed up with just 1 in the past that was terrible.

Your (non-WP) taunt aura is generally in the order of 10 seconds, just the same as a single gauntlet taunt from any attack. Your taunt aura needs to hit, just like an attack does anyway.

Someone leaving your aura for 1 second means nothing when you're attacking because unless they are knocked back for approximately 10 seconds they are still under the effects of the combined taunt from previous attacks. If they are out of your aura at this time, guess what, they would have been outside of your auto-aura anyway. What you need at that stage is Taunt which lasts ~40 seconds unenhanced (mine is 6 slotted so it lasts forever).

Try attacking. If you complain about requiring 1 second to establish your control with an attack, try a taunt as you leap in or hit them with an AOE as you do so. Then they are aggroed on you before you even arrive. If you want to keep getting upset about that first second of lack of control, spare a thought for the toggle auras that do damage and only tick every 2 seconds. OMG they are worse! Not really, because the aura is a small part of what keeps them on you.

Some other things to consider:

Yes, a taunt aura will apply a debuff of some sort, or add damage, which WILL contribute to your overall aggro. But a small zap from a lightning aura is insignificant to a hit from an attack like Fireball, Crowd Control or Footstomp. Miniscule. 1/30th the damage. Some of the toggles that are more useful and get a lot more hate (ice with double aura and heavy debuffs).

If you simply attack as you leap in, AHEAD of everyone else, and then just start swinging, the only people that leave you are those above aggro cap or those you have been exceptionally unlucky to hit between a multitude of chances through gauntlets. That is an issue that every tanker will have so it is not unique at all.

Yes the taunt aura is worse. But attacking is so much more than just a passive taunt.

/rant over

Ok, is it difficult to hold aggro on a Willpower Tanker, especially at lower levels? Yes. Is the problem being blown out of proportion in this thread? Yes.

Can anything currently be done by a player to solve this problem? Yes. Just like giving your Fire Tanker Acrobatics or a KB protection IO, there is something you can do to fix Willpower's aggro problem.

I have a level 50 Willpower/Super Strength Tanker, as well as several other WP Tankers in the 30+ level range. I have Taunt. I have Taunt Enhancements slotted in RttC and in Taunt.

I jump in, Footstomp or Whirling Hands or Fire Sword Circle, and then I Taunt. Rinse and repeat. I'll be happy to give in-game demonstrations. I guarantee you that only another Tanker will be able to pull aggro from my Willpower Tanker.

I think now I have definitely hashed this one through to see if a change is wanted. Fun is subjective so have to go with that - damn hindsight. If I was having issues then with all 3 of my WPs I would of had them years ago. Thanks to those who were polite and constructive.