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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Really not seeing the big deal here.
The old system gave only one point from a tie and it looks like some people played for/earned a tie so they got 3 points. With the new point system, there's no reason to play for a loss or tie unless you want to play a "prevent offense" and stall someone higher in the standings, which might not work since they can win on their own. You can't go retro-changing the point distribution, it's there. Just win more of your matches, hope for some teams to fall out of contention through play mistakes and move on. |
what im saying is their is still a LONGTIME before this league is over so Any1 can as some1 said in a earlier post " virtually " come back from their loss of points and vice a versa.
But if it makes some teams more happy and less likely 2 try and put MORE CHANGES 2 a vote then I'll gladly vote 2 change the scoring simply becuz I dont want 2 c teams falling off the league in Rage or the feeling that they wont be #1 so why bother competeing.
in Conclusion i would like 2 state that im happy that Champion Server is having pvp on it again and with that being said GLHF 2 all teams and GG for every1 that My team has fought so far looking forward for rematches
P.S.: Sry i misspelled alot of stuff in that post i have been hanging out with Elf Stalker 2 long
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P.S.: Sry i misspelled alot of stuff in that post i have been hanging out with Elf Stalker 2 long
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Out of those 9, you tied 3.|
Originally Posted by GFunny
I need someone to explain to me, with all the point changes and no retro-active distributions or grandfather rules, why is it that my team has fought 9 matches and lost only 1 yet we are in second to last place?
Does this seem absolutely retarded to anyone sles, i mean really? 1 loss and because of some rule changes that doent change any history, my team is virtually LAST! This doesnt seem stupid to any of the other captains or anyone with any common sense? Please, someone speak up so i dont feel like im losing my F'n mind ... |
You have no one to hold responsible except yourselves for tieing those three matches consistently.
Should've swallowed your ego and lost the matches and gotten more points.
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It's a bit of an overreaction to think you're out of it this early. I think we have 28 points, but dUmb is a single point behind us, two other teams are within 4-6 points. Even the lowest-seeded team has what...12 points? If they win their next three, they go to 24 points, striking distance from the top.|
Originally Posted by Artic_Chill_44
Its Still very early in the League we will have 2 finsih another 4 weeks of fights before ( im guessing ) we go back and fight all the teams once more for the last time and then B00M its over.
what im saying is their is still a LONGTIME before this league is over so Any1 can as some1 said in a earlier post " virtually " come back from their loss of points and vice a versa. But if it makes some teams more happy and less likely 2 try and put MORE CHANGES 2 a vote then I'll gladly vote 2 change the scoring simply becuz I dont want 2 c teams falling off the league in Rage or the feeling that they wont be #1 so why bother competeing. |
Also, say we retrochange all the scores, what's to stop someone wanting to change the point system again and in circles we go.
All of the teams in this League have decent-good-very good players.
Give it time.
IT'S WEEK 3 PEOPLE. 3. The final standings won't be known for at least a month or two more.
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Now listen here missy. Don't be coming all up in here with your logic and reasoning okay? We ain't got the time or the effort to listen to your "sound reasoning" up in here.|
Originally Posted by Neuronia
IT'S WEEK 3 PEOPLE. 3. The final standings won't be known for at least a month or two more.
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K?
This is the internet. A very serious place for very serious people.
Shut up.
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No no no I'll have none of that.|
Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
Now listen here missy. Don't be coming all up in here with your logic and reasoning okay? We ain't got the time or the effort to listen to your "sound reasoning" up in here.
K? This is the internet. A very serious place for very serious people. |
MLB example:
After 4 games, the Toronto Blue Jays led the AL east with 4 W 1 L.
Toronto residents should have planned a parade right?
Except that 100+ games later, they're in fourth.
Clearly though, we should throw away the current point scoring system and find a new methodology?
I suggest:
http://www.brianmicklethwait.com/edu...ves/Abacus.gif
Or:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
Performance rating = [(Total of opponents' ratings + 400 * (Wins - Losses)) / Gms]
Of course, the Elo system DOES rank points gained/lost by the skill of the player...but I'm sure no one would ever rage over having their team be a lower ELO score because an arbitrator looked at each team fairly and either assigned them a base 1600 ELO or favoured certain other teams or individuals.
Or we could have used the old Freedom ladder point system...which gave (I think) 750 (W) 500 (T) 350 (L). Kat can correct me on this. Which would just be great...and you know, that ladder's first place ranking wasn't decided until the very last week of the league, was it?
People, just PvP. If you win the gold titles and forum titles, awesome. If not, just take it as a learning experience in playing against different people.
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The points system...I don't care. If we show up for matches, we should be fine. If everyone likes the new system and wants to make points retroactive, that's cool...if not, that's cool too. I can see why some teams want it one way or the other. I'm not concerned with yellow titles and t-shirts or whatever we'd win, so the only thing I really care about is if the rules encourage people to stupidly go for ties.
And that brings me to this latest vote. Okay, I'm all for hating on ties, but whoever asked for this vote didn't think about some possible scenarios: like if both teams bring weak damage and strong support, thinking they might get lucky and score a kill...or if teams are forced to play similarly ineffective line-ups because of a particular night's attendance, etc. What are you going to do, replay 0-0 rounds until someone just throws in the towel and goes to bed? I voted against the no-tie rule solely because of these possibilities. Look, I hate ties and when people play for them, but rules need to take into account the "what if" scenarios. If I had a better idea on how to take ties out of the equation, I'd shout it out for sure.
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And that brings me to this latest vote. Okay, I'm all for hating on ties, but whoever asked for this vote didn't think about some possible scenarios: like if both teams bring weak damage and strong support, thinking they might get lucky and score a kill...or if teams are forced to play similarly ineffective line-ups because of a particular night's attendance, etc. What are you going to do, replay 0-0 rounds until someone just throws in the towel and goes to bed? I voted against the no-tie rule solely because of these possibilities. Look, I hate ties and when people play for them, but rules need to take into account the "what if" scenarios. If I had a better idea on how to take ties out of the equation, I'd shout it out for sure. |
^^^^
100 times this.
Does anyone not remember the old Test Ladder, teams were 0-0, replay, 0-0, replay and so on. Then you keep playing on and on and on and on and on and on...
Just say no to match replays on ties. If you can't get your win, you get two points anyway.
Also, enough votes people. If you have something that you feel needs addressing, send PMs or tells to people.
There really should be a one proposal per captain per month, or a limit on votes proposed.
Kat, I know this is really annoying for you...but please set a limit on voting for stuff or the league will never advance.
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Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
Out of those 9, you tied 3.
You have no one to hold responsible except yourselves for tieing those three matches consistently. Should've swallowed your ego and lost the matches and gotten more points. |
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Why are we still ragevoting? Proposing votes on the same night as the matches while still upset over whatever it is that happened and without any discussion across teams is what got us in this weird scoring position. We're basically voting on the first thing that came to mind for an upset player, and forcing the other teams to vote on it without negotiating a better solution or seeing what other teams feel on the issue.|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Yet another vote p.m.'d to captains.
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"I don't like this rule. The vote proposal isn't exactly what I'd like to see, but I don't know where the other teams stand and this is the only proposal to change it, so I guess I'd better vote yes".
Let's stop PMing proposals to Kat on Saturday nights, to be sent out in secret for each team to discuss in their own little boxes. Bring it to the forums, hash out the best proposal that we can agree on, and submit our votes no earler than Monday. Otherwise we'll keep chasing our tails.
Also, let's get a scoring system we like, collectively, and let's put this to bed. Or, at the very least, let's put a cap on the value of a win, and not allow any votes to change it. Without a hard limit in place, the wins you've already earned can be devalued at any time, and that's a big part of how we got into such weird rankings.
By weird rankings, here's the current placement of the teams, along with their win-loss-draw records:
1st place - 5-4
2nd place - 6-3
3rd place - 5-3-1
4th place - 3-5-1
5th place - 5-1-3
6th place - 3-5-1
7th place - 4-1-4
8th place - 0-9
Some pretty strange positioning, comparing the ranking of teams with same or similar records.
Retroactive/Non-retroactive, I don't care. There are way more points waiting to be earned than have already been earned (particularly with weeks 1-2 being worth less points), so the randomness should even out by the end of the season...IF WE STOP RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES RAGEVOTING EVERY WEEK.
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That above is plainly not a good representation/ranking.|
Originally Posted by Pixel
Also, let's get a scoring system we like, collectively, and let's put this to bed.
By weird rankings, here's the current placement of the teams, along with their win-loss-draw records: 1st place - 5-4 2nd place - 6-3 3rd place - 5-3-1 4th place - 3-5-1 5th place - 5-1-3 6th place - 3-5-1 7th place - 4-1-4 8th place - 0-9 |
1st place has the same amount of games as second but second has 1 more win and 1 less loss and both are the same on ties? 5th should be ahead of current 3rd, 7th should be ahead of both 4 and 6, 4th? come on they should be next to last along with 6th.
No sense does that standing make.
More CRAP:
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Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
Out of those 9, you tied 3.
You have no one to hold responsible except yourselves for tieing those three matches consistently. Should've swallowed your ego and lost the matches and gotten more points. |
So either call this a test and start over (new Week1) or retroactively adjust things, 3 weeks is not that long either way to do things right. Shrug just the outsider, with a more level head, laughing while hearing and reading and watching this farce.
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This, please.|
Originally Posted by Pixel
Let's stop PMing proposals to Kat on Saturday nights, to be sent out in secret for each team to discuss in their own little boxes. Bring it to the forums, hash out the best proposal that we can agree on, and submit our votes no earler than Monday. Otherwise we'll keep chasing our tails. |
Kat, please limit captain proposals to one per league month so that we get past the trivial/discussable stuff. Pretty much the important stuff has been covered:
-Stalker Limit
-Map selections
-More points for wins
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People:
YOU WILL WIN GAMES. Sometimes you'll steal games, sometimes you'll be on your game, sometimes you'll lose. The gap isn't that large. Just play to win.
The last place team can go to 24 points with 3 wins next week. If they keep winning they'll be in contention.
Let's not re-do the point system and tie system every freaking week because people aren't happy with their placement.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted by Tamerlayne
So either call this a test and start over (new Week1) or retroactively adjust things, 3 weeks is not that long either way to do things right. Shrug just the outsider, with a more level head, laughing while hearing and reading and watching this farce. |
Did you not see how long this season is? It could end around the December holidays. Is anyone really going to stick around here on a Saturday during that 3-4 week period?
Besides, even if the season did restart, what will that do? The teams that have a lot of practice together and work together will do well, the teams with less practice and so on will need work.
You want to do things right?
Win.
It's the only way to get where you want to be.
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Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
Out of those 9, you tied 4.
You have no one to hold responsible except yourselves for tieing those four matches consistently. Should've swallowed your ego and lost the matches and gotten more points. |
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so your saying you think a team that has 5wins, 4 loss, should be in first place, where as a team that has 5 wins, 1 loss, 3 ties, should be in 5th? Could you explain the sence there? |
Originally Posted by Neuronia
This, please.
Kat, please limit captain proposals to one per league month so that we get past the trivial/discussable stuff. Pretty much the important stuff has been covered: -Stalker Limit -Map selections -More points for wins Yes! People: YOU WILL WIN GAMES. Sometimes you'll steal games, sometimes you'll be on your game, sometimes you'll lose. The gap isn't that large. Just play to win. The last place team can go to 24 points with 3 wins next week. If they keep winning they'll be in contention. Let's not re-do the point system and tie system every freaking week because people aren't happy with their placement. Seriously. No way on starting over, from A&C. Did you not see how long this season is? It could end around the December holidays. Is anyone really going to stick around here on a Saturday during that 3-4 week period? Besides, even if the season did restart, what will that do? The teams that have a lot of practice together and work together will do well, the teams with less practice and so on will need work. You want to do things right? Win. It's the only way to get where you want to be. |
Obviously you cant. and the reason is simple and this is also the reason we should end this discussion here....
The points system was flawed from the start, I, as well as many others saw it, said something about it in vent, others agreed, yet we said nothing. WE chose to go ahead and start playing with things as they were. We could have, (should have) said "no, wait, we need to re-look at this point structure before we start" But WE chose not to. Answers simple, we only have ourselves to blame. Play on and hope for the best is all we can do. no matter the out come, This has been a fun filled experience over all for I hope everyone.
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Okay I'll bite, this'll be fun
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First fallacy. Yes it does. One way or the other people are being competitive and want to win. No one likes losing and some take it more seriously than others. Some will try to win no matter what and losing while it may have gotten them more points, is not something they'd like to do. Take for example the team in question I was talking about. Hell, Psyrene, and GFunny would not want to lose to Bud/Elf stalker's team. It would reflect badly on them and it would allow Bud/Elf stalker to run their mouths and talk **** on the boards or in game or just take a screen shot of the win and parade it around on the forums, sort of like a "Hey guess what Hell? We smashed ya'll!!!!" |
Originally Posted by Tamerlayne
Has nothing to do with Ego,
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Originally Posted by Tamerlayne
This has to do with the system - sorry you feel abusing the system is warranted (cause that is the only reason to say "take a loss so you get more points".. come on, get off your high horse and listen to some logic (maybe you can't and this falls on death ears, but I don't care) Let me guess you are against any changes being retroactive also? (Funny pairity that would be)
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And even when we *did* run three stalkers, our main man Droe screwed the match up and got himself killed, we weren't trying to force ties but we ended up losing the match which got us more points because of the loss and of course Hell's team got more points cause they won.
So please good sir, please refrain from throwing out random false statements on these boards and post facts.
I'm not for or against any retroactive changes to the rules. If there's going to be any "retro" changes, how about we see the submitted changes before I say "yes" or "no" to them.
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Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
I'm not for or against any retroactive changes to the rules. If there's going to be any "retro" changes, how about we see the submitted changes before I say "yes" or "no" to them. |
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Here's how I would do the ties.
Teams play and come out to a tie. Replay the tie ONCE. If a team wins the replay, cool, they get credit for a win and the other team gets credit for a loss. If the two teams tie again, cool, they both get credit for a tie.
This is essentially the exact same thing that the NFL does, and it seems to work nicely for them. It will make ties a bit more rare, but not out of the question if two teams truly are perfectly matched.
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Bud, it's not a seeding/W-L-T system, it's point based.|
Originally Posted by XxBudweiser8xX
so your saying you think a team that has 5wins, 4 loss, should be in first place, where as a team that has 5 wins, 1 loss, 3 ties, should be in 5th? Could you explain the sence there?
Obviously you cant. and the reason is simple and this is also the reason we should end this discussion here.... The points system was flawed from the start, I, as well as many others saw it, said something about it in vent, others agreed, yet we said nothing. WE chose to go ahead and start playing with things as they were. We could have, (should have) said "no, wait, we need to re-look at this point structure before we start" But WE chose not to. Answers simple, we only have ourselves to blame. Play on and hope for the best is all we can do. no matter the out come, This has been a fun filled experience over all for I hope everyone. |
Stop looking it at as WLT. If it were, dUmb would be way ahead of us.
You get rewarded for losing and tying and you get doubly rewarded for winning.
Myself, I'm more concerned with the favourites and keeping up to them (Looks at Psoma/Lib/Pixel/Mebs/Sir >.> )
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Originally Posted by XxBudweiser8xX
so your saying you think a team that has 5wins, 4 loss, should be in first place, where as a team that has 5 wins, 1 loss, 3 ties, should be in 5th? Could you explain the sence there?
Obviously you cant. and the reason is simple and this is also the reason we should end this discussion here.... The points system was flawed from the start, I, as well as many others saw it, said something about it in vent, others agreed, yet we said nothing. WE chose to go ahead and start playing with things as they were. We could have, (should have) said "no, wait, we need to re-look at this point structure before we start" But WE chose not to. Answers simple, we only have ourselves to blame. Play on and hope for the best is all we can do. no matter the out come, This has been a fun filled experience over all for I hope everyone. |
This.... that is all
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We all know that everyone has their own intentions for making proposed votes for rule changes. This case in particular, we can all agree that the point system was horrid starting out. We may not "all" agree with what has resulted because of the said system, which has since been addressed.
Regardless of which side you stand regarding adjusting points retroactively, one thing that can be measured is the alienation happening within the league. Im far more concerned about the bad taste that is developing due to all of these issues. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, NOTHING good can come from making changes after the fact. Once the door opens to opinions by teams on the validity of rules, I can guarantee you that the situation becomes a lobbyist issue of which rule fits each team best. Id rather fight this sh*t out and see who's left standing in the end.
On paper, there are 11 weeks left to play. That's 132 possible points out there to go and get. Im worried all of this drama is more harmful to the league than moving points for teams +/- 5 points either way (give or take).
As it sits right now, Champion is the only place for organized arena pvp anywhere in CoH right now. If people involved/participating in the league are assuming we are the only ones paying attention to the results, you are mistaken. As the only organized pvp at the moment, you can be assured there are eyes watching. I'd much rather see a successful season 1 with great momentum going into season 2. Will everyone be happy in the end? I'd hope so...but I know better.
But...
Is the goal to have everyone happy in the end? Or is the goal a stronger, better, more competitive atmosphere for pvp on CHAMPION server?
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Originally Posted by CityofChange
We all know that everyone has their own intentions for making proposed votes for rule changes. This case in particular, we can all agree that the point system was horrid starting out. We may not "all" agree with what has resulted because of the said system, which has since been addressed.
Regardless of which side you stand regarding adjusting points retroactively, one thing that can be measured is the alienation happening within the league. Im far more concerned about the bad taste that is developing due to all of these issues. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, NOTHING good can come from making changes after the fact. Once the door opens to opinions by teams on the validity of rules, I can guarantee you that the situation becomes a lobbyist issue of which rule fits each team best. Id rather fight this sh*t out and see who's left standing in the end. On paper, there are 11 weeks left to play. That's 132 possible points out there to go and get. Im worried all of this drama is more harmful to the league than moving points for teams +/- 5 points either way (give or take). As it sits right now, Champion is the only place for organized arena pvp anywhere in CoH right now. If people involved/participating in the league are assuming we are the only ones paying attention to the results, you are mistaken. As the only organized pvp at the moment, you can be assured there are eyes watching. I'd much rather see a successful season 1 with great momentum going into season 2. Will everyone be happy in the end? I'd hope so...but I know better. But... Is the goal to have everyone happy in the end? Or is the goal a stronger, better, more competitive atmosphere for pvp on CHAMPION server? |
This times a million billion gazillion
There are dozens of questions and posts I should probably respond to but ya no what, I refuse. I refuse to continue to debate the same ole BS every day. I do not volunteer my time to deal with drama. I didn't create the league or any other pvp event to cater to people who's only reason for participating is to win, regardless of what you have to do or say to make it happen. Bad sportsmanship is a pet peeve of mine that I don't cater to, period.
If you are in 32423423 place and feel like you should be in 1st and you are not happy and enjoying yourself in participating GTFO. It really is that simple at this point.
Every single team that feels like they were jipped out of points has absolutely NO ONE to blame but themselves. Yes I will admit my initial point system was not the best it could be regardless of my good intentions of simply trying to solve the problem of tie playing teams. However that point system was in black and white and you agreed to it when you joined. Not only that but PerilX quoted the flawed point system out before one single match occurred right here in this thread and not one single Captain made a motion to change it. It wasn't important enough to warrant a change until it was your team that was affected by the ties.
Also to be quite blunt (and this doesn't apply to everyone that has ties now) but when you bring a "safe" lineup that includes 2-3 healers or tanks in a freaking THREE VS. THREE the last thing you should expect anyone to feel is sorrow for you for getting a tie. Perhaps you weren't trying to get a tie but you damn sure knew your lineup was increasing the chances of it happening and you chose to bring it anyways so deal with it.
Now on to the voting issue. First of all enough votes are in on the motion to take ties out of the game. The answer is no. With that being said below is a short list of topics that votes are not allowed on any more. I wanted to be reasonable and not come across as a tyrant and allow Captains some voice in the event but too many personal agenda's that are not for the better of the entire league and only about their own teams winning are shining through.
No more vote motions accepted on the following changes.
- CHANGING THE POINT SYSTEM
- LIMITING AT'S OR BUILD TYPES
- LIMITING MAPS
- TIES
- SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO RULES FOR INDIVIDUALS
- ANYTHING BEING RETROACTIVE. (UNLESS OF COURSE ITS IN REGARDS TO ALL OF YOU BEING MY PERSONAL CYBORZ SLAVES, THEN OF COURSE ITS RETROACTIVE.)
Now I am going to make one more rule. No more motions for votes on any topic unless you have a minimum of 2 other Captains in favor of supporting it. That means those 2 other Captains and you must send me a p.m. with the same motion proposal. Other wise don't waste my time or the other people in the leagues time who are just here to have fun with vote issues that have no support.
P.S. I really don't want to hear about "everyone" on vent agreed to this issue or that issue. People apparently feel making others think they agree with them is more important than keeping it real because every single vote that supposedly had certain people supporting it, didn't. Just because they are your friends on vent and nod their head when you are raging doesn't mean they ACTUALLY agree with you. Reality check.
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Originally Posted by CityofChange
We all know that everyone has their own intentions for making proposed votes for rule changes. This case in particular, we can all agree that the point system was horrid starting out. We may not "all" agree with what has resulted because of the said system, which has since been addressed.
Regardless of which side you stand regarding adjusting points retroactively, one thing that can be measured is the alienation happening within the league. Im far more concerned about the bad taste that is developing due to all of these issues. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, NOTHING good can come from making changes after the fact. Once the door opens to opinions by teams on the validity of rules, I can guarantee you that the situation becomes a lobbyist issue of which rule fits each team best. Id rather fight this sh*t out and see who's left standing in the end. On paper, there are 11 weeks left to play. That's 132 possible points out there to go and get. Im worried all of this drama is more harmful to the league than moving points for teams +/- 5 points either way (give or take). As it sits right now, Champion is the only place for organized arena pvp anywhere in CoH right now. If people involved/participating in the league are assuming we are the only ones paying attention to the results, you are mistaken. As the only organized pvp at the moment, you can be assured there are eyes watching. I'd much rather see a successful season 1 with great momentum going into season 2. Will everyone be happy in the end? I'd hope so...but I know better. But... Is the goal to have everyone happy in the end? Or is the goal a stronger, better, more competitive atmosphere for pvp on CHAMPION server? |
This.
And ty for being the voice of reason. Nice to see someone actually cares about the pvp community.
Really not seeing the big deal here.
The old system gave only one point from a tie and it looks like some people played for/earned a tie so they got 3 points. With the new point system, there's no reason to play for a loss or tie unless you want to play a "prevent offense" and stall someone higher in the standings, which might not work since they can win on their own.
You can't go retro-changing the point distribution, it's there. Just win more of your matches, hope for some teams to fall out of contention through play mistakes and move on.
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