Srs bsness up in herr...
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oh yeah brah...ultra mega deluxe serious bsns.
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Originally Posted by SmokeSignal
Srs bsness up in herr...
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Solution to this is a vote to limit buffers/healers (Empathy, Pain Domination, Thermal) to one per line-up. One healer, you open up more kills as the buffer/healer takes more of the attacks. |
Originally Posted by Psyrene
You all brought an emp and 2 therms...you should have known that all the matches would end up 0-0 after the first one, and in knowing so, to me it seems you forced a tie in every match by running that same lineup each time, thus screwing each of our teams scores due to the tie being worth only 1 point.
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People would then have to field one (your choice) + Blasters or three Blasters (very unlikely) or a healer, disruption and attack toon (like GDHRT did last night, though to be fair Corrs add extra damage from Scourge).
Your situation may well happen again, if teams get too far away from you, you can simply give them 6 points for a match instead of 12 (3 ties instead of 3 wins, if you know they'll win). Of course, with the new point system weighted so heavily toward wins, no real reason to run a tie line-up unless you're running interference for other teams in the standings.
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We still have 1 more Captain vote out but based on what votes are in we already have a majority in favor of banning office, cave and Eden. Original Op has been changed to reflect that.
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if your going to speak, speak in whole truths. yes we did bring 2 therms and an emp in 2 of the matches, but the last match was therm/emp/blaster, and still had same result....0-0. so your "theory" that we were intentionally trying to screw your team or our is a bunch of *********. but again, GG, and nice sportsmanship.
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Originally Posted by Psyrene
You all brought an emp and 2 therms...you should have known that all the matches would end up 0-0 after the first one, and in knowing so, to me it seems you forced a tie in every match by running that same lineup each time, thus screwing each of our teams scores due to the tie being worth only 1 point. So it is no ones fault but your own due to what you ran and since there is not really a counter to a 3 healer lineup in a 3v3 there was not much else our team could have done other than go afk for the duration of each match or go into rest in the middle of each map and taken the loss but I totally understand not wanting to do that.
At least the rule was changed but I don't think there will be enough matches to change the harm that was done to the scores by having the 3 ties. |
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Since there's already a majority decision reached, we'll go with what was decided. I don't think we had strong feelings about any of it anyway, other than Eden seems a bit large for 3v3.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
We still have 1 more Captain vote out but based on what votes are in we already have a majority in favor of banning office, cave and Eden. Original Op has been changed to reflect that.
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Ok and yet another Captain vote request has been p.m.'d.
limit to 1 healer is so stupid... cause the point system has change which solve the tie problem and therms be consider as healer.. not all thermals are base on heals and shields.
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Like I said in an earlier rant, its dumb to bring 3 support toons who are playing support because it puts you behind in the overall score drawing out 0 - 0 ties. Limiting it to one support toon is equally dumb as you just throw a cold into your lineup and take a dump on the support toon for 10 minutes essentially. |
Originally Posted by ELF_STALKER
limit to 1 healer is so stupid... cause the point system has change which solve the tie problem and therms be consider as healer.. not all thermals are base on heals and shields.
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Limiting it to 2 support toons seems fair and reasonable. If you want a kill you can't just damage spam an emp for 10 minutes, you might actually have to work out some degree of coordination between your team to take one support character out and drop the other.
Any teams need another? I only have 1 pvp toon on Champion though. IO'd out PSI EM Blaster. Shoot me an in game tell @We Eat Rice
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I sent in our vote. I'm with Lib in that I think we can live with a 2-healer limit, 3v3 to 5v5; however, a 1-healer limit essentially punishes players that are attempting to play dual-role toons such as my son/pain and Lib's son/therm. If you watch our matches and/or check the scores, you can see that we're not interested in playing defensively for ties.
Ok voting results are in. The 1st voting proposal is a no. The second one is tied with 4v4. So guys best thing to do is adapt. If you don't have enough buffers to combat 2-3 healers then bring some colds, or 2 tk'rs or broken cagers or ....hell I dunno.
I know there are some of you who want to push the limiting buffer issue. There will only be 1 more vote allowed on this issue so if you want to push the issue I would be careful of your wording and actually take the time to see if you have any support from other Captains.
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Very, very, very nice pick up.
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Originally Posted by hellrasier
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I realize that there were 3 issues on Sat. night regarding the point system (especially for ties), certain maps and limiting healers etc. But...|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Ok voting results are in. The 1st voting proposal is a no. The second one is tied with 4v4.
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...Is it possible to have transparency on what was proposed for a vote AFTER the voting results are in? This isn't a complaint in any form. I'm just wondering what the changes are and how it will affect the league as we move forward. It's better to know officially what rules are adjusted/not adjusted rather than to speculate. Thank you.
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Each voting result has been posted as a new post in the thread. I realize no one wants to read all the mumbo jumbo in this thread but it is a necessary evil to be able to have a clue what the rules are.
All but the last vote resulted in rule changes. The last vote was to limit healers to 1 per match or 2 for matches larger than 3v3.
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Originally Posted by CityofChange
I realize that there were 3 issues on Sat. night regarding the point system (especially for ties), certain maps and limiting healers etc. But...
...Is it possible to have transparency on what was proposed for a vote AFTER the voting results are in? This isn't a complaint in any form. I'm just wondering what the changes are and how it will affect the league as we move forward. It's better to know officially what rules are adjusted/not adjusted rather than to speculate. Thank you. |
I'm fine with public captain proposals/votes. I figured Kat was just trying to keep votes organized by doing it through PM's here. I generally just post her message to my teammates and get a general consensus before replying with our vote anyway.
I don't see a good solution to the multi-healer issue other than making fun of teams that soley play for ties. We've given our reasons for voting against the proposed healer bans, and I think our reasoning makes sense...but I haven't read anything from the 5 captains that voted to keep 3+ stalkers as an option. What were you guys thinking?
The reason I keep votes in private p.m.s isn't so much about organization as it is to attempt to keep drama down. Especially from opinionated people who are not even participating in the League. I assume each Captain will let their team know what is going on or get their opinions so really no need to drown the thread is long winded discussions that are pointless when ultimately the decisions are up to only 8 people voting.
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Originally Posted by Psoma
I'm fine with public captain proposals/votes. I figured Kat was just trying to keep votes organized by doing it through PM's here. I generally just post her message to my teammates and get a general consensus before replying with our vote anyway.
I don't see a good solution to the multi-healer issue other than making fun of teams that soley play for ties. We've given our reasons for voting against the proposed healer bans, and I think our reasoning makes sense...but I haven't read anything from the 5 captains that voted to keep 3+ stalkers as an option. What were you guys thinking? |
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Pretty much.|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
The reason I keep votes in private p.m.s isn't so much about organization as it is to attempt to keep drama down. Especially from opinionated people who are not even participating in the League. I assume each Captain will let their team know what is going on or get their opinions so really no need to drown the thread is long winded discussions that are pointless when ultimately the decisions are up to only 8 people voting.
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Any votes we've taken have been discussed with all teammates as well as any discussions.
Anyway, gl everyone and see you ingame.
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When is this week schedule matches going be posted
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Really who would play for a tie....this is champion server. We ride or die.
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Originally Posted by Psoma
I'm fine with public captain proposals/votes. I figured Kat was just trying to keep votes organized by doing it through PM's here. I generally just post her message to my teammates and get a general consensus before replying with our vote anyway.
I don't see a good solution to the multi-healer issue other than making fun of teams that soley play for ties. We've given our reasons for voting against the proposed healer bans, and I think our reasoning makes sense...but I haven't read anything from the 5 captains that voted to keep 3+ stalkers as an option. What were you guys thinking? |
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By midnight since that's the time we're allowed to update rosters for the week I believe.
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Originally Posted by ELF_STALKER
When is this week schedule matches going be posted
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[U][URL="http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=251594"][/URL][/U]
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Fixt.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
After midnight since that's the time new teams are allowed to add new rosters. Existing teams have until 24 hours before scheduled fight time to update rosters.
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I would like 2 take a revote on the limiting stalkers if that is possible pls, I for one voted 2 keep no limit on them just becuz i know that for most this isnt ur home server so u only have a hand full of toons 2 play, but thinking over what Lib posted a away days ago I would like 2 change my vote if the Proposal ever had 2 take a revote.
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Originally Posted by Psoma
I'm fine with public captain proposals/votes. I figured Kat was just trying to keep votes organized by doing it through PM's here. I generally just post her message to my teammates and get a general consensus before replying with our vote anyway.
I don't see a good solution to the multi-healer issue other than making fun of teams that soley play for ties. We've given our reasons for voting against the proposed healer bans, and I think our reasoning makes sense...but I haven't read anything from the 5 captains that voted to keep 3+ stalkers as an option. What were you guys thinking? |
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At least the rule was changed but I don't think there will be enough matches to change the harm that was done to the scores of each of out teams by having the 3 ties.
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