City of Data lists Ball Lightning at a 1.02 damage multiplier and Fireball at 1.14. I assume the bigger multiplier in Fireball is due to fire attacks doing more damage than other attacks, so ignoring that they should be equal.
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Fireball will do more damage. Like all fire attacks, it's secondary effect is more damage since it has a DoT. Still, saving a power choice for somewhat lower damage is appealing.
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Originally Posted by Hejtmane
Is the damage going to be comparable ?
The mids eyeball test they look close and instead of taking two powers to get fireball you only have to take one to get ball of lighting Has anyone tested the two against each other |
I'm going to change Fireball for Ball Lightning on my Elec/Shield. If not only for the better conceptual fit (goodbye Fire Blast and Ball, welcome Elec Blast and Ball Lightning!), but also to save a power pick. I'm not yet sure what I'll do with it, but being able to summon a Mu could be useful. They do have a heal, right?
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only the dom/troller mu has a heal afaik.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
I'm going to change Fireball for Ball Lightning on my Elec/Shield. If not only for the better conceptual fit (goodbye Fire Blast and Ball, welcome Elec Blast and Ball Lightning!), but also to save a power pick. I'm not yet sure what I'll do with it, but being able to summon a Mu could be useful. They do have a heal, right?
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Originally Posted by Terror1
only the dom/troller mu has a heal afaik.
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All I need if they are fairly close then the extra power evens it out on my build
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Originally Posted by Gaidin
Fireball will do more damage. Like all fire attacks, it's secondary effect is more damage since it has a DoT. Still, saving a power choice for somewhat lower damage is appealing.
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Do Scrappers get Elec Fences? If so, the combination of it with Ball Lightning should do more damage than Fireball while saving you a power pick.
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Nope. Scrappers get Stalker sets, so no EF.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Do Scrappers get Elec Fences? If so, the combination of it with Ball Lightning should do more damage than Fireball while saving you a power pick.
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No but you can pick am 8 second snipe if you like (that is the stupidest thing ever given to a scrapper) in 8 seconds we can run in and kill it all
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Do Scrappers get Elec Fences? If so, the combination of it with Ball Lightning should do more damage than Fireball while saving you a power pick.
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You all are missing the best part.. Yes, its an extra pick but the real gold is in the "why?" Ball lightning at "44" and not "47". Simply lovely.
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The entire app/ppp was done in a rush hap hazard and seemed to be a last minute decision. Then it was pretty much ignored through out beta and disregarded. I think the Devs wanted to make changes but management had other time tables for what they had has a priority.
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Originally Posted by Rieze
You all are missing the best part.. Yes, its an extra pick but the real gold is in the "why?" Ball lightning at "44" and not "47". Simply lovely.
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They should have given scrappers the brute pools and not the poopy stalker pools...well shadow meld is okay on some secondaries. And regens with hiber in pvp will be silly. But still, just give me frackin gloom...that's all I ask for.
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Heh, my SD/DM tank is very happy with Gloom and Dark Obliteration instead of his Fire Blast and Fire Ball. And he's also saving a power pick!
To be honest, I find the Stalker PPPs close to perfect for Scrappers. Now you can build for soft cap and grab hibernate for damage recovery. Should be silly for AV soloing, especially because you get Water Spout as a prereq. Then there's Shadow Meld for those of us who don't have soft cap and want MoG. Great, I say!
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Hibernate is worthless for Av soloing because you are not doing damage they have regen to and high regen at that Hibernate is a pvp thing.|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Heh, my SD/DM tank is very happy with Gloom and Dark Obliteration instead of his Fire Blast and Fire Ball. And he's also saving a power pick!
To be honest, I find the Stalker PPPs close to perfect for Scrappers. Now you can build for soft cap and grab hibernate for damage recovery. Should be silly for AV soloing, especially because you get Water Spout as a prereq. Then there's Shadow Meld for those of us who don't have soft cap and want MoG. Great, I say! |
Stalker sets are not perfect how does a 8s sniper attack in every set a good idea ? Yes we can skip it but it is stupid to give a set a power that is utterly worthless even for bad players. They sub out duplicate powers with stuff and they should have sub out the sniper attacks with something even remotely useful hell a ST immobilize like ring of fire in place of a sniper shot would had been good.
The only thing about the entire app/ppp was that it is epic fail because it was last minute (or went down like it was)rushed and then totally ignored after that with out even much in the patch notes.
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The 8 second snipe is completely retarded for any AT - it serves even less purpose on a Stalker who doesn't need to be at range to get in the first attack. If anything, I'd like to see all of them done away with and replaced with something that I may be able to find a use for beyond "hey, look how stupid this power is!"|
Originally Posted by Hejtmane
Stalker sets are not perfect how does a 8s sniper attack in every set a good idea ?
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But it's not in "every" set - you get Water Spout or Spirit Shark in Leviathan Mastery.
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it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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The 8 second snipe is completely retarded for any AT - it serves even less purpose on a Stalker who doesn't need to be at range to get in the first attack. If anything, I'd like to see all of them done away with and replaced with something that I may be able to find a use for beyond "hey, look how stupid this power is!"
But it's not in "every" set - you get Water Spout or Spirit Shark in Leviathan Mastery. |
I forgot about that set ok 3 of the 4. The app/ppp just left a bad taste in my mouth it remind me of the AV regen overbuff they completely ignored during closed beta despite feedback.
This is part of an expansion as well that we are paying $30 dollars to get so that adds to the bad taste.
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ohhhhhh... Gloom!!!!|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Heh, my SD/DM tank is very happy with Gloom and Dark Obliteration instead of his Fire Blast and Fire Ball. And he's also saving a power pick!
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my SD/SS might join you on that
[QUOTE=Hejtmane;3119464]Hibernate is worthless for Av soloing because you are not doing damage they have regen to and high regen at that Hibernate is a pvp thing.[/qupte]
It's not worthless for AV soloing, but not the best thing out there. Still, beats Aid Self, IMO, because you can regen at insane speeds with this and with ~+30% HP as many high end builds are, you're likely to end up more healed in the time it would take Aid Self to activate (4.33 seconds IIRC). It is also quite useful for high-end soloing, you know, as a "reset HP and debuffs" type of power.
Can't really comment on the PvP part as I don't PvP.
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I think anything that anything with long animations is bad for a Scrapper. Most long animation powers just break the flow of a set. I wouldn't pick a sniper attack on my scrapper unless it had a short uninterruptable animation. After all, I'm supposed to be out there stabbing the bad guy in the face, not sniping him from range.| Stalker sets are not perfect how does a 8s sniper attack in every set a good idea ? Yes we can skip it but it is stupid to give a set a power that is utterly worthless even for bad players. They sub out duplicate powers with stuff and they should have sub out the sniper attacks with something even remotely useful hell a ST immobilize like ring of fire in place of a sniper shot would had been good. |
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| The only thing about the entire app/ppp was that it is epic fail because it was last minute (or went down like it was)rushed and then totally ignored after that with out even much in the patch notes. |
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Is the damage going to be comparable ?
The mids eyeball test they look close and instead of taking two powers to get fireball you only have to take one to get ball of lighting
Has anyone tested the two against each other
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Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA