Is a corruptor just as good?
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Posted on: 2010-07-26 05:33 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Yes, a Corruptor's version is just as good. Sure, the debuffs are a bit stronger on a Defender but lets look at the numbers. I wont list everything, just relevant data.|
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
I know for defenders, rad/son is pretty amazing at soloing AVs and GMs, but how does the corr son/rad version measure up? I assumed that with scourage, the corruptor would have an advantage against enemies with such large amounts of health, but the general vibe I'm getting from the forums is that the defender's debuff values make it superior. Is the defender version that much better, or is the corruptor version simply not brought up because fire/traps is a better corruptor for the job?
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DEFENDER:
Radiation Infection: -31.3% def, -31.3% tohit
Accelerated Metabolism: +25% dmg, +30% recharge
Enervating Field: -30% res, -25% dmg
Lingering Radiation: -500% regen, -75% recharge
EM Pulse: -1000% regen
CORRUPTOR:
Radiation Infection: -25% def, -25% tohit
Accelerated Metabolism: +20% dmg, +30% recharge
Enervating Field: -22.5% res, -20% dmg
Lingering Radiation: -500% regen, -75% recharge
EM Pulse: -1000% regen
Now, Corruptor has a higher base damage and have access to Scourge. Granted, Scourge isn't going to happen often until your target's HP goes below 50%, but it's still useful. From the numbers above, you can see that the Defender's version is pretty much 5% stronger than the Corruptor's version. However, Lingering Radiation and EM Pulse are the same for both Archetypes and -regen is what you want for taking down AV's anyhow.
If anything, I would say that the Corruptor's version is a bit better. Being able to Scourge and deal 2x more damage is much better than being 5% ahead in the debuff department anyday.
Also, are you dead set on Sonic? If you do go Corruptor, I would say Fire is a better choice overall. The -15%res from each of sonic's attacks are nice but so is the raw damage from Fire. Fire also has a snipe which is actually pretty useful. It's got a long activation time but it pretty much does 2x the damage of Shout, the strongest power in Sonic.
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Well Sonic is what I heard of on defenders and so I wanted a direct comparison to the corruptor version. And the snipe would not be as effective on those kinds of targets outside of the opening attack, because the animation time is just that long. Someone could fire off Blaze>Fire Blast>Flares and MAYBE >Blaze again before the snipe finishes animating.
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Originally Posted by SPiNE
Yes, a Corruptor's version is just as good. Sure, the debuffs are a bit stronger on a Defender but lets look at the numbers. I wont list everything, just relevant data.
DEFENDER: Radiation Infection: -31.3% def, -31.3% tohit Accelerated Metabolism: +25% dmg, +30% recharge Enervating Field: -30% res, -25% dmg Lingering Radiation: -500% regen, -75% recharge EM Pulse: -1000% regen CORRUPTOR: Radiation Infection: -25% def, -25% tohit Accelerated Metabolism: +20% dmg, +30% recharge Enervating Field: -22.5% res, -20% dmg Lingering Radiation: -500% regen, -75% recharge EM Pulse: -1000% regen Now, Corruptor has a higher base damage and have access to Scourge. Granted, Scourge isn't going to happen often until your target's HP goes below 50%, but it's still useful. From the numbers above, you can see that the Defender's version is pretty much 5% stronger than the Corruptor's version. However, Lingering Radiation and EM Pulse are the same for both Archetypes and -regen is what you want for taking down AV's anyhow. If anything, I would say that the Corruptor's version is a bit better. Being able to Scourge and deal 2x more damage is much better than being 5% ahead in the debuff department anyday. Also, are you dead set on Sonic? If you do go Corruptor, I would say Fire is a better choice overall. The -15%res from each of sonic's attacks are nice but so is the raw damage from Fire. Fire also has a snipe which is actually pretty useful. It's got a long activation time but it pretty much does 2x the damage of Shout, the strongest power in Sonic. |
While they are both close after factoring in Scourge and multipliers, I'd say Corruptors are better suited for soloing AVs due to being able to Summon a pet from their PPP. I know the pet isn't a huge source of damage but it does add up.
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Don't forget that each sonic attack has -res, and that the defender's debuff numbers are higher there too. 5% each might not be much, but you can probably keep at least 3 debuffs on the enemy at once, which, combined with the other stronger debuffs, is better than scourge. That's not to say that the corr would be bad, just that the def is even better.|
Originally Posted by SPiNE
Yes, a Corruptor's version is just as good. Sure, the debuffs are a bit stronger on a Defender but lets look at the numbers. I wont list everything, just relevant data.
DEFENDER: Radiation Infection: -31.3% def, -31.3% tohit Accelerated Metabolism: +25% dmg, +30% recharge Enervating Field: -30% res, -25% dmg Lingering Radiation: -500% regen, -75% recharge EM Pulse: -1000% regen CORRUPTOR: Radiation Infection: -25% def, -25% tohit Accelerated Metabolism: +20% dmg, +30% recharge Enervating Field: -22.5% res, -20% dmg Lingering Radiation: -500% regen, -75% recharge EM Pulse: -1000% regen Now, Corruptor has a higher base damage and have access to Scourge. Granted, Scourge isn't going to happen often until your target's HP goes below 50%, but it's still useful. From the numbers above, you can see that the Defender's version is pretty much 5% stronger than the Corruptor's version. However, Lingering Radiation and EM Pulse are the same for both Archetypes and -regen is what you want for taking down AV's anyhow. If anything, I would say that the Corruptor's version is a bit better. Being able to Scourge and deal 2x more damage is much better than being 5% ahead in the debuff department anyday. |
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| Also, are you dead set on Sonic? If you do go Corruptor, I would say Fire is a better choice overall. The -15%res from each of sonic's attacks are nice but so is the raw damage from Fire. Fire also has a snipe which is actually pretty useful. It's got a long activation time but it pretty much does 2x the damage of Shout, the strongest power in Sonic. |
Personally, I'd say that for pure AV/GM soloing, go for a Rad/Son defender. For a more general great all round character, go for a Fire/Rad corr.
Forget Sonic, if it's a Corruptor you want you should be looking at Fire Blast. Fire/Rad corrs are much better than Rad/Sonic defs at killing AVs and GMs
Based on his experience I'll take Silverado's word for it. I was kinda thinking that anyway, but I wanted a direct set comparrison between the ATs.
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We suggested the same thing and you take his words over mine?|
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
Based on his experience I'll take Silverado's word for it. I was kinda thinking that anyway, but I wanted a direct set comparrison between the ATs.
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I will go *wrist* now :[
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You don't have pics of multiple alts soloing almost every gm in the game |
Originally Posted by SPiNE
We suggested the same thing and you take his words over mine?
I will go *wrist* now :[ |
And not to be rude, but your logic on the snipes being good on sustained dps was incorrect and discredited the arguement. Silverado is a player who I know has plenty of experience and is a more reliable source. Nothing personal AGAINST you, just something personal in favor of him.
Truthfully, with GR around the corner, or if you really don't care what side you play on now...for Radiation Emission, I'd say go Corruptor anyways.
Why?
Radiate Aura, Radiation Infection, Accelerate Metabolism, Evervating Field, and Lingering Radiation are really all the powers you need from Radiation Emission. the other powers are just not needed or cool to have.
Radiation Emission gets all those powers pretty early in the career. So, this allows you to have Blasts, and your wanted Debuffs/Buffs at good times.
With defenders using Radiation Emission, you can feel the crunch when exemped on the lack of attacks. At least this is how it is in my experience, when I was taking almost every attack on my RAD/DP Defender, and feeling like I have no attacks when I exemp for Posi TF for example.
Different feeling on /RAD Corrs.
Now, for something like Cold Domination (which I consider the best team BUFF AND DEBUFF set), going the Defender route and getting those nice debuffs is a different story (in my opinion).
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this is an interesting discussion.
Now I'm presuming both will be solo players, and taking in to account the defender will have a slight edge in the debuffing area.
Now that being said,
I was under the impression defenders had equal if not better damage than corrupter damage.
With the buff to defenders damage 30% at lvl 20 if im right.
and also nearly all defenders take assault from the leadership pool which adds an additional 18.75% damage.
Now defenders will have these buffs from the beginning of the fight to the end of the fight,
where the corrupter has to wait until the prey is at 50% health before scourge activates.
sticking with the rad/son and son/rad comparison, would the Defender outdamage the corrupter version?
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Having a ranged immob as part of your attack chain that deals solid damage is nothing to scoff at. Neither is having your target at the -dam cap most of the fight.
Fully maxed out versions ya Fire/rad is certainly faster than rad/son, but all my examinations have the rad/son more or less neck and neck with the son/rad even with a 19% scourge rate (typical rate for AV's) as long as you don't factor in the patron pet. And I wouldn't factor in the patron pet as an advantage unique to corruptors myself, not when we know that app/ppp's are going to be opening up for all AT's. Defenders might not end up with any pet options, but when the date is as close as it is, you may as well just wait to see. A rad/son def would turn an epic pet into a damage machine with better AM, assault, and much higher debuffs.
My personal feeling on corrs and defs is that if you aren't playing fire blast you should be playing the defender version of the toon. But for the most part they are pretty interchangeable.
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Proc'd out with high recharge the question is will a rad/son/soul out damage a son/rad/soul +patron pet?|
Originally Posted by hardknight
sticking with the rad/son and son/rad comparison, would the Defender outdamage the corrupter version?
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Lose the pet and the answer is yes by quite a bit. Against a somewhat large spawns the answer is yes by leaps and bounds. With the pet against a single target the answer is probably not.
A large part of that is simply because defender soul drain is stronger and recharges twice as fast.
I'd expect some shuffling around in GR though and quite frankly if they let controllers have patron pets the question of what does more damage a corr or defender will be answered by - a controller can do more damage than both of them put together. I'm only partially kidding with that last statement too, it wouldn't be twice as much.
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Raise your hand if you think its a load of crap that Defender SD still has the 120s recharge when Dom SD got nerfed to 240s ages ago and Corrs have been at 240s since forever. |
Originally Posted by Frosticus
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A large part of that is simply because defender soul drain is stronger and recharges twice as fast. [...] |
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But if they changed that, my emp/son duo wouldn't be able to make it 3 seconds away from perma on an SO build |
Originally Posted by Silas
Raise your hand if you think its a load of crap that Defender SD still has the 120s recharge when Dom SD got nerfed to 240s ages ago and Corrs have been at 240s since forever.
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Boy you be hatinnnn!
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
You don't have pics of multiple alts soloing almost every gm in the game
And not to be rude, but your logic on the snipes being good on sustained dps was incorrect and discredited the arguement. Silverado is a player who I know has plenty of experience and is a more reliable source. Nothing personal AGAINST you, just something personal in favor of him. |
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Sorry, like I said, it's nothing against you personally, just that he has more experience as far as I know.
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Originally Posted by SPiNE
Boy you be hatinnnn!
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Really, while Sonic Assault is just that helpful on a Defender for getting its damage up, the Corruptors are a more level playing field. Sonic's good, it's just no longer that good. |
Originally Posted by Silverado
Forget Sonic, if it's a Corruptor you want you should be looking at Fire Blast. Fire/Rad corrs are much better than Rad/Sonic defs at killing AVs and GMs
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There can be advantages to having lower buffs, but a more stable base. ('Course there can be advantages to the other way around, too, but we're talking about solo.
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When I look through the app/ppp's I think every instance where the recharge has been massively altered to make the power weaker is a load of crap. It is unnecessary from a game balance perspective and only serves to make the lives of casual players more dull while disproportionately giving extra reward to min/maxers.|
Originally Posted by Silas
Raise your hand if you think its a load of crap that Defender SD still has the 120s recharge when Dom SD got nerfed to 240s ages ago and Corrs have been at 240s since forever.
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Sadly though, when the time comes dollars to doughnuts says defender SD gets its recharge doubled.
Id have to give the edge to a Corruptor simply because of Scourge when it comes to AV soloing.
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That's quite possibly the one thing you've said on the forums, in your 662 current posts, that isn't completely wrong.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Id have to give the edge to a Corruptor simply because of Scourge when it comes to AV soloing.
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What's even funnier is that Defender Soul Drain was supposed to have its recharge pushed up in I13 (or was that I14, I don't remember), and I think it even did for a short while, and then it mysteriously went back down to 120.
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Originally Posted by Silas
Raise your hand if you think its a load of crap that Defender SD still has the 120s recharge when Dom SD got nerfed to 240s ages ago and Corrs have been at 240s since forever.
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IIRC the def version also has a much larger aoe size than the corr version and can hit more targets too.|
Originally Posted by macskull
What's even funnier is that Defender Soul Drain was supposed to have its recharge pushed up in I13 (or was that I14, I don't remember), and I think it even did for a short while, and then it mysteriously went back down to 120.
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So not only is it a stronger buff because of higher defender modifiers, it results in a substantially stronger buff when saturated due to hitting more foes. And hitting those foes easier due to the larger aoe.
Corr version I believe tops out at ~80% damage buff
Def version tops out at ~120% damage buff and recharges twice as fast
That's pretty substantial. Strap that on to something like rain of arrows which is more or less the same for both AT's, add in a stronger -res debuff and the def can seriously outdo the corruptor while being the superior team supporter.
That said, I support the 120 sec version of SD as I've found the 240 version to be very lame even with a butt-load of recharge.
I know for defenders, rad/son is pretty amazing at soloing AVs and GMs, but how does the corr son/rad version measure up? I assumed that with scourage, the corruptor would have an advantage against enemies with such large amounts of health, but the general vibe I'm getting from the forums is that the defender's debuff values make it superior. Is the defender version that much better, or is the corruptor version simply not brought up because fire/traps is a better corruptor for the job?