Blueside Hami Raid Poll

What the violent Cupcake said!

What do you have against reds?

Eh, as long as the raiders are coordinated you don't really need specific team leads. Hell, even when running evacless raids as long as everyone listens to the raid leader the only really important team leader is the taunt team so that the assorted taunters each know which yellow to go after. That can be fairly important if you're pushing through the final bloom instead of clearing it.

Although it is important when clearing Mitos to try to keep the blue spikers/assault team from getting ahead of the yellow spikers/melee team.

i wouldn't mind seeing a return of regular raids, but i'm not able to guarantee being able to attend specific raids, so i don't think i'd make for a regular team leader. Although, as i already mentioned, i also don't see the need for designated leaders for most teams. Most of the time when i join raids the team leaders are whoever started inviting first.

I have to agree with Demon's number 1 here, "And sometimes people get a little too protective of their "time slots". BUT....

1. yes scheduled raids would benefit everyone on the server. However if people are treated wrong some might not come and there are a couple playground bullies that attend these.

2. yes i'd lead a team but only if needed.

I was refering to people that show up and try to do their own thing instead of following the easy to win method that is set in place by the leads.


Still doesn't change my answer.

Yes, its pretty much the only time I get to play my Empath.

I could lead the Yellow Taunt, if need be as thats the team I've had the most experience on.



Also, if I could make a suggestion?
If this does take off, which is likely, could we move the days from Sundays to Saturdays?
Reason bein' is that Red Side Hami Raids have been lackin' bodies these past coupler runs.
If we schedule the Blue Side Raid before Red Side's (or afterwards), we could advertise durin' the Monster hunt or some other time.

We've got the Blue Side down to a very, very fast time and it would be nice if the Red Side's Raid didn't take an hour to 2 hours, when it is a success.

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Uh, if they were Hamidon raids lead by Amy, Angie, Cherry, Llewthor, or Trevor, I can guarantee you that all team leaders were picked well before the Hamidon raid began forming. All teams serve very specific purposes, which require knowledgeable team leaders. That's why people are asked not to form their own teams in zone, because doing so just leads to chaos and confusion, and slows everyone down immensely.

Having blue side Hamidon raids on Saturdays is a bad idea, imo. Honestly, Champion just doesn't have the people on Saturdays, for whatever reason(s). I've noticed over the past year or so that the Champion server player population is significantly lower on Saturday evenings than on the other days of the week. That's part of the reason why the red side Hamidon raid has been hurting for players. If it moved to another night, say Wednesdays or something, I suspect that it would have a higher turn out.

The other issue with Saturdays would be the weekly PvP matches hosted by PVPEC. However, you make a good point about raiding on other days of the week.

Technically speaking, the raid doesn't necessarily need designated team leaders for it to be successful. However, there's a big difference between a successful raid and an efficient raid, which is why I've used team leaders for each team. Some of the benefits of having people do this are as follows:

- minimizes start up time because invites are sent as soon as people arrive or shortly thereafter. Team leaders know exactly what ATs to invite and how many, so that shuffling people after teams are formed is minimized. For important support ATs like Emps, it's easier to keep track of how many are on each team.

- keeps the actual number of teams to a minimum. Less teams means easier recovery if something were to cause us to retreat. It's also important if we decide we don't have the yellow taunt strength to do an evac-less raid and will have to TP out. The more packed the team is, the higher chances of someone with TP or vet TP. In the case of an evac-less raid, it allows people to exchange EoEs amongst their team mates quickly. It also speeds up communication if something needs to be passed down from the raid leader.

- targets damage to appropriate targets. The way we have the raid set up is that there is a Scrapper team for the yellow mitos (+/- support), a Blaster team for the blue mitos (+/- support), and 2 teams for the green mitos, one filled with Controllers and one with mixed damage types. Although it is possible to add a targetter to your Friends list and target through them from a mixed team, it is much easier to be able to target through your team leader. Also, having the second green team of mixed damage allows us to take down the greens almost as fast as the other mitos during most raids so that we can take one sweep around the bowl and nearly all the mitos are down, if not all. It would be difficult during a mixed team raid to tell some of the Blasters to shoot the blues while some to help with the greens.

- designates a person on team to answer questions from new raiders. I know a lot of us know what we're doing, but I think a raid format that's new raider friendly is beneficial for the several people that show up for their first raid and have questions. Having team leaders willing to do this also keeps the tells off the raid leader.

Those are just some of the reasons why I think the set up we've used has been useful and efficient. It's supposed to be geared towards the raiders' convenience, so they can just come and join the raid and know we'll be in and out of there quickly.

Ultimately, I am asking these questions because I'd like to get people other than the "Hami-Lead" crew involved. They've been doing raids for a long time and overall, have done a great job. But if there are people interested and willing to help out in this regard, I think it would benefit the server and build a stronger knowledge base when it comes to raiding.

i see. i guess the thing is that i only raid about half the time (or less when there are no regular scheduled raids) on Champion. The rest of the time it's on Virtue. One of the most appealing things about Champion Hamidon raids is seeing so many familiar players and characters, which is something Virtue raids don't have going for them. On Virtue the first raid of a night is usually a crapshoot of whoever showed up before the Hive filled.

Usually blueside raids on Virtue usually take less than an hour after Hami spawns, occasionally less than half an hour. (But the latter is very uncommon.) There are no preset team leaders and sometimes not even a preset raid leader. i'm not saying those aren't useful, but they are unnecessary, and i base this on the fact that i witness it several times a week if i'm in a raiding mood. And this is on Virtue where any random 45+ yahoo can and will wander into the Hive since the raids are held on a regular schedule several times a week, and generally at least twice a night on the scheduled nights.

Being used to doing something a particular way doesn't mean it's necessary, or that chaos, apocalypse and crossdressing monkey grinders will appear if it's not done that way.

Anyway, i'd like to see a return of regularly scheduled blueside raids on Champion since it's one of my favorite servers for Hami raids and just raids in general. It's easier to try to make time for an event if i know about it in advance.

from spawn to merits we're sitting between the high teens and mid 20's in completetion time. This is another benefit of having team leaders and an organized raid.

18 minute Hami Raid April 18th, 2010 Champion Server

Good old Amy, always rational about everything.




I guess you haven't hit a Pon Farr episode yet, eh?

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