AFK PVP IO farming against the Rules?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-07-15 10:13 in The Market and Inventions
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Sorry, but I'm not sure if I even believe half of this. If GMs are griefing in the game, that is a petionable and bannable offense. Automated gameplay is ALSO against the EULA, but I doubt that NCSoft would meet griefing with griefing.
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Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
Hi all!
I am doubtful I'll get a dev response but I am curious to know if AFK PVP is against the rules (not just frowned upon.) The reason I ask is GM's have been going into PVP Zones and teleporting the AFK farmers around to disrupt the practice. They are representatives of NC Soft so I can only come to the conclusion AFK IO farming is against the rules. If it is not, why are GMs messing with players? It'd be nice to get a definitive answer on the matter from the developers. |
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Are you sure they are GMs teleporting AFK farmers around or just other players that are griefing AFK farmers?
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Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
Hi all!
I am doubtful I'll get a dev response but I am curious to know if AFK PVP is against the rules (not just frowned upon.) The reason I ask is GM's have been going into PVP Zones and teleporting the AFK farmers around to disrupt the practice. They are representatives of NC Soft so I can only come to the conclusion AFK IO farming is against the rules. If it is not, why are GMs messing with players? It'd be nice to get a definitive answer on the matter from the developers. |
It's alot more anoying to be constantly TP'd away from AFK farmers by players than killed.
I'd say your getting TP'd by random players for ***** and giggles
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That's what my money is on. And report the AFK farmers while you're there.
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Originally Posted by Effy_On_Malibu
It's alot more anoying to be constantly TP'd away from AFK farmers by players than killed.
I'd say your getting TP'd by random players for ***** and giggles |
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Agreed, this is much more likely than GMs doing it.|
Originally Posted by Effy_On_Malibu
I'd say your getting TP'd by random players for ***** and giggles
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What brought you to the conclusion that it was GMs doing it? If it's a player, using Teleport Foe, it should show up in the combat log (though I could be wrong). Turn your chat log on.
A GM will have an underscore "_" in their name and I don't believe that it would show up in the log if they port you.
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Wouldn't be easier to afk farm in the arena in Pocket D?
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Didn't they remove recipe drops from Arena matches to prevent this?
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Wouldn't be easier to afk farm in the arena in Pocket D?
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I can guarantee you it is NOT another player teleporting. Player tohit rolls show up in my tohit roll window (including TP foe, wormhole) and there are no tohit rolls showing up, indicative of GM teleporting. And I know I am not the only one this has happened to.
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Botting (using an outside program to run your characters) is against the EULA. AFK farming is another story and to my knowledge not been declared as against the EULA.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Sorry, but I'm not sure if I even believe half of this. If GMs are griefing in the game, that is a petionable and bannable offense. Automated gameplay is ALSO against the EULA, but I doubt that NCSoft would meet griefing with griefing.
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No, that's where I get mine.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Didn't they remove recipe drops from Arena matches to prevent this?
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I mean I heard some people dual box afk PvP in the areana two of their accounts while they play their third account.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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The EULA specifically states that, regardless of how it is done, AFK play is illegal. Your original question, though, is about PvP zone griefing. Again, report the offenders. GMs should be held to a higher standard than even the players.
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Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
Botting (using an outside program to run your characters) is against the EULA. AFK farming is another story and to my knowledge not been declared as against the EULA.
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slight problem with your claim.|
Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
I can guarantee you it is NOT another player teleporting. Player tohit rolls show up in my tohit roll window (including TP foe, wormhole) and there are no tohit rolls showing up, indicative of GM teleporting. And I know I am not the only one this has happened to.
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GM Teleports show up too.
I've had to get GM's to teleport avatars around when I've gotten stuck trying to find broken Geometry during beta tests. Their teleports show up in the combat log as well since... hey.. get this: their powers are exposed in the same way player powers are.
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If not a GM then you explain what can teleport a player halfway across a zone instantly without showing up in the combat log? |
Originally Posted by je_saist
slight problem with your claim.
GM Teleports show up too. I've had to get GM's to teleport avatars around when I've gotten stuck trying to find broken Geometry during beta tests. Their teleports show up in the combat log as well since... hey.. get this: their powers are exposed in the same way player powers are. I'm going to be blunt. Right off hand your post reads like a sock-puppeting of a thread Moderator08 already nuked from orbit once before. If you have a personal problem with a Forum Moderator or a Game Moderator: take it to private messages or contact the support staff through the PlayNC website. It is against Forums Terms of Services to "call out" or "make accusations" against NCSoft personal. |
As far as the rest of your post goes, I have no issue with any Mod or GM. I'd simply like to know if AFK IO farming is against the rules, and if is not I am curious to know what can teleport a player without showing up in the combat log.
Based on the previous posts i have seen about random p'ing in PvP zones it sounded like a bug. Yours is afk farmers the other posts where active PvP'rs. Sounds more random and bug ish. The other posts where based on freedom not sure if that is where yours are.
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Actually it doesn't say AFK it says automaticly with out human input. There is some wiggle room for the interpretation of what "played automaticly without human input" means since what IO farms do is with in game limits eg leaving 1 power on auto. Which is why i assume Merc asked for clarification. |
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
The EULA specifically states that, regardless of how it is done, AFK play is illegal. Your original question, though, is about PvP zone griefing. Again, report the offenders. GMs should be held to a higher standard than even the players.
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Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
Hi all!
I am doubtful I'll get a dev response but I am curious to know if AFK PVP IO farming is against the rules (not just frowned upon.) The reason I ask is GM's have been going into PVP Zones and teleporting the AFK farmers around to disrupt the practice. They are representatives of NC Soft so I can only come to the conclusion AFK IO farming is against the rules. If it is not, why are GMs messing with players? If it is, then how come I have not been contacted by CS? It'd be nice to get a definitive answer on the matter from the developers. |
Afk farms all but extinct on servers many more farm busters than farmers.
Admittedly, I can't prove it's a GM. I can only confirm it is not a player teleporting my toons based on lack of evidence in the combat log.
I am skeptical of it being a bug since both of my characters have been TPd when this has happened. I don't farm on Freedom.
As Philly pointed out, the wording is vague when it comes to afk farming. I suspect to give NC some wiggle room to lay down the ban hammer.
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Originally Posted by PL_Beggar
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Afk farms all but extinct on servers many more farm busters than farmers. |
I have never had my farm disrupted except by this method and then only twice.
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Here come the farm busters to Justice server
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Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
I have never had my farm disrupted except by this method and then only twice.
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I moved off Justice back with free transfers. Keep looking though |
Originally Posted by PL_Beggar
Here come the farm busters to Justice server
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I believe Justice was the originator of farm busting...
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Originally Posted by PL_Beggar
Here come the farm busters to Justice server
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Count me as seriously skeptical about this claim.|
Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
Hi all!
I am doubtful I'll get a dev response but I am curious to know if AFK PVP IO farming is against the rules (not just frowned upon.) The reason I ask is GM's have been going into PVP Zones and teleporting the AFK farmers around to disrupt the practice. They are representatives of NC Soft so I can only come to the conclusion AFK IO farming is against the rules. If it is not, why are GMs messing with players? If it is, then how come I have not been contacted by CS? It'd be nice to get a definitive answer on the matter from the developers. |
For starters, I'm pretty sure a GM could simply disconnect your game session.
Done. End of Farm.
There's no point or reason for a GM to "play games" if they believe you're
breaking the rules... As Dumpleberry points out, a GM doing that (with a
GM account) is very probably petitionable.
As far as AFK farming, I have no idea whether it's Verboten or not - it's using
simple (and normal) game mechanics in a proper zone. So, I'd call that a
pretty grey area where some clarification might be warranted.
Given the drop mechanics for PvP IO's, I don't begrudge anyone in the slightest
for using this approach if they're able...
That said - we are talking a PvP zone ... With only 2 exceptions I'm aware
of (tp foe into inescapable geometry, or killing players from outside of the
geometry), it is perfectly acceptable to kill anything you can validly target
as often as you wish through any means at your disposal.
While I personally don't attempt to *stop* a PvP farm, I won't hesitate at
all to kill the "rezzer" when I see one - heck, there's no reason it shouldn't
be *me* who gets the IO...
If you're courteous with the timing it won't break the farm. I basically get
a free roll (for as long as I want to do it), and then they get to continue
their farming for however many hours they do it afterwards...
Win-Win in my book.
I'd very seriously doubt it's a case of GM griefing. As the saying goes,
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".
That's my view here.
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I think so. We have the ****** Horde of Farm Breakers, and almost no afk farming there anymore. I remember when you could jump across the rooftops and count a hundred farms peacefully killing themselves.|
Originally Posted by Phillygirl
I believe Justice was the originator of farm busting...
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This is why, even though I've seen what Mercury describes, I'm doubting its a GM. Why would they break farms now, when there are fewer farms than ever? Seems to me if there was a maverick GM busting farms for the good of the game, he would have done it when Warburg was Farmburg.
I think it's more likely that it's a bug or another game mechanic that isn't leaving a trace on the log.
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Hi all!
I am doubtful I'll get a dev response but I am curious to know if AFK PVP IO farming is against the rules (not just frowned upon.)
The reason I ask is I suspect GM's have been going into PVP Zones and teleporting the AFK farmers around to disrupt the practice. They are representatives of NC Soft and if they are doing it, I can only come to the conclusion AFK IO farming is against the rules.
If it is not against the rules, and if GMs are TPing players, then why are they doing it? If it is against the rules, then how come I have not been contacted by CS? It'd be nice to get a definitive answer on the matter from the developers.
*Edited to refrain from making an accusation without 100% proof.