Increase Merit Rewards on Positron TF 1&2
By
Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2010-07-01 13:36 in Suggestions and Ideas
You can do the old Positron via Ouroboros and get considerably more merits. And have the same amount of fun as, let's say, watching paint dry.
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the devs don't care what your(i mean you) average time is. obviously they feel that they give the appropriate merits at this time.
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
The new Positron TFs are rather stingy with the merits. Any chance they can be reviewed and scaled up some?
Based on my "average" times Positron 1 should be 19 Merits based on the 3.7 Merits per minute. Positron 2 should be 21 Merits by the same formula. Now that the new car smell is wearing off Positron TF it should be time to make sure the rewards are "correct" Thanks |
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yeah... this is pretty much it.|
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
the devs don't care what your(i mean you) average time is. obviously they feel that they give the appropriate merits at this time.
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The developers have access to the timings on every Positron Run made on every server... and that's what they base the merits off of.
And apparently, they rebalance whenever, not on a schedule.
Fortunately or unfortunately
just a little fyi also, a friend and i duod it. the first part was in 30 mins which is under the average time and the second part was in 40 mins which is under the average. so does that mean that the merits should be lowered based off of my times?
I know about the fact it can be stealthed and the fact that with 3 players (with stamina) it goes much faster.
Its about how fast it can be one with 7 other random people of varying levels. Since it is the first TF a new player will encounter it would probably be nice for it to be something other than "just another speed run" for badges and merits.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
just a little fyi also, a friend and i duod it. the first part was in 30 mins which is under the average time and the second part was in 40 mins which is under the average. so does that mean that the merits should be lowered based off of my times?
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H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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go back up and read what je_saist and i both said. the devs don't care how long it takes you. it is an average of the completion times. and no we didn't stealth. that was straight run through without stopping for bathroom breaks until the first part was finished. like said earlier in the thread:|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
I know about the fact it can be stealthed and the fact that with 3 players (with stamina) it goes much faster.
Its about how fast it can be one with 7 other random people of varying levels. Since it is the first TF a new player will encounter it would probably be nice for it to be something other than "just another speed run" for badges and merits. |
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| You can do the old Positron via Ouroboros and get considerably more merits. And have the same amount of fun as, let's say, watching paint dry. |
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
The new Positron TFs are rather stingy with the merits. Any chance they can be reviewed and scaled up some?
Based on my "average" times Positron 1 should be 19 Merits based on the 3.7 Merits per minute. Positron 2 should be 21 Merits by the same formula. Now that the new car smell is wearing off Positron TF it should be time to make sure the rewards are "correct" Thanks |
19 merits divided by 3.7 merits per minute yields 5.13 minutes. I'd like to join your next Posi1 run.
In any event, the new Posi came out 2 months ago - that's probably the start of when they'd have enough data to consider changing it. Give 'em time.
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Originally Posted by enrious2
Hmm.
19 merits divided by 3.7 merits per minute yields 5.13 minutes. I'd like to join your next Posi1 run. In any event, the new Posi came out 2 months ago - that's probably the start of when they'd have enough data to consider changing it. Give 'em time. |
I fixed the post so its 1 Merit per 3.7 minutes.
Seems like there are people are being grumpy about it. I know what my times are for other TF/SFs generally are and Positron is on the low end of merits/time.
So yes, the correct tactic is to reduce the number of players to as low as possible to best deal with stacking Dispersion Bubbles from Ruin Mages, but hey that's a different topic.
Reducing the players to 4 yielded sub 40 minute Positron 1 TF. Which would pin the total at 10.5 rounded to 11 Merits. Which is what its currently at. I still say 11 is being stingy.
So, I guess the "fix" is with Ruin Mages.
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V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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New Posi 1 Merits + New Posi 2 Merits = Old Posi Merits.
It's probably deliberate.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I never thought of that, Aggelakis. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Not that its on topic, but really?|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
Since it is the first TF a new player will encounter |
My first time playing I was level 20 before I started to hear about TFs and stuff. Tho I guess its different if friends bring you into the game, and if your on a more active US Server.
On topic, While I would like a little more, I think its pretty much easy street as it is, and higher and it would start becoming a farm it for merits dealy like the last one delved into.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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It's considered such because it's the first TF available by level. Yes, not everyone is going to "encounter" it first, but...context.
Dec out.
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actually agge's, the new posi if you add both parts gives 26 merits. the old posi if you go through ouro gives 40. and before it made it to ouro it gave 66. |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
New Posi 1 Merits + New Posi 2 Merits = Old Posi Merits.
It's probably deliberate. |
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Except they didn't base the current rewards off of in-game datamining. They based them off of player feedback during beta testing, which does not correlate well with actual in-game performance. |
Originally Posted by je_saist
yeah... this is pretty much it.
The developers have access to the timings on every Positron Run made on every server... and that's what they base the merits off of. |
I'm not the best player around by far, but I'm a pretty experienced TF speed runner. The rewards for the new Positron are too low and they need to be adjusted. I've run it many times since it came out. I have yet to be on a full team that can complete either one in less than an hour. I will say that I haven't been on teams that specifically tried to 'game' it, but none of the teams I was on were bad teams, generally had experienced players, didn't dawdle around wasting time, yet it still took nearly twice as long to complete as the merit rewards would suggest.
The general attitude I have personally seen in-game, is that Posi is only worth running for the badge now.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
just a little fyi also, a friend and i duod it. the first part was in 30 mins which is under the average time and the second part was in 40 mins which is under the average. so does that mean that the merits should be lowered based off of my times?
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At the level of the Positron TF (10-15) and with the enemies it contains (CoT and Vahz), it scales very poorly for large groups. With 2 or 3 players, you'll run into very few bosses. A team of 8 will be up against stacked Ruin Mages and CoT Spectrals. Totally different experience.
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Maybe Agge's using that 'new' math.. |
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
actually agge's, the new posi if you add both parts gives 26 merits. the old posi if you go through ouro gives 40. and before it made it to ouro it gave 66.
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
Maybe Agge's using that 'new' math..
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Either way it wont be changed unless everyone who does the new posi does it at a slow rate that the stats would suggest changing the merits, but thts not gonna happen...besides- heroes get enough merits any btw they've done all the main ones.
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Panzerwaffen should hear the new Silent Majority: The general attitude I have personally seen in-game, is that Posi is only worth running for the badge now. |
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Dec out.
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
Maybe Agge's using that 'new' math..
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
42?
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Sorry, New Posi 1 Merits + New Posi 2 Merits + Flashback Posi Merits = Old Posi Merits. I continually forget about Flashback Posi.|
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
actually agge's, the new posi if you add both parts gives 26 merits. the old posi if you go through ouro gives 40. and before it made it to ouro it gave 66.
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It's still probably deliberate.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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As a mostly redside player that's very jaded about the merit system I'm inclined to say cry more.
Now for some perspective, although I haven't run new posi yet, I have to ask how many Av's are in it? What lvl to the team do they con?
Because looking at the LRSF(and yes I know a lvl 45 Sf compared to a lvl 15 SF) there are a crapton of AV's that always con above the group, it has the highest failure rate of all SF's in the game and yet it only rewards 25 merits.
Oh look new Posi 1+2 is better rewards than RSF.
cry more
Well, actually the joke is, unless it "overperforms" the devs simply have little incentive to "fix" it.
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Originally Posted by Dr_HR
Either way it wont be changed unless everyone who does the new posi does it at a slow rate that the stats would suggest changing the merits, but thts not gonna happen...besides- heroes get enough merits any btw they've done all the main ones.
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H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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and again, your wrong. if something is under performing they have just as much incentive to fix it as if it is over performing. the devs have access to all the info in the game which you do not. unless you can convince the devs that it is seriously under performing for rewards, what they have set is fine. i'm sure they are looking at it since it has only been around since i17 and will make changes if they see that they need to be made.
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
Well, actually the joke is, unless it "overperforms" the devs simply have little incentive to "fix" it.
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The new Positron TFs are rather stingy with the merits. Any chance they can be reviewed and scaled up some?
Based on my "average" times Positron 1 should be 19 Merits based on the 1 merit per 3.7 minutes. Positron 2 should be 21 Merits by the same formula.
Now that the new car smell is wearing off Positron TF it should be time to make sure the rewards are "correct"
Thanks
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
CoH in WQHD