I really like this idea. The game offers a Natural origin for characters yet not every AT has a powerset that would suit it properly.
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I came up with an idea kinda like that a few years ago, but it wasnt as thought out. I would love to play a powerset like that!!
P.S. I think the Devs try to stay away from animials as pets because it simulates animal abuse or some other corny reason.
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I like it, but as a dom set, backup would be like a Rougue Island Police, and we fight them as enemies, so I don't know how that would work out. Other than modifying that idea a little bit, it looks pretty good.
Interesting idea.
Ignoring balance ..
Why would you use a flash grenade at your feet (pbaoe) =P
I would think it would be a targeted aoe
And how many pepper sprays have you seen that are aoe's? I think its more single target in reality. It shoots out like a hose, not like a mister.
Maybe the control set could get a fire hose instead =]]
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
I like it, but as a dom set, backup would be like a Rougue Island Police, and we fight them as enemies, so I don't know how that would work out.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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I was thinking of shooting the Flash Granade Straight up kinda like the Peacebringer Pulsar Stun.|
Originally Posted by trendee
Interesting idea.
Ignoring balance .. Why would you use a flash grenade at your feet (pbaoe) =P I would think it would be a targeted aoe And how many pepper sprays have you seen that are aoe's? I think its more single target in reality. It shoots out like a hose, not like a mister. Maybe the control set could get a fire hose instead =]] |
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Or just a Spray
Looks like its an Area of Effects to me...lol
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Just make a new Mercenary Pet.
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
I like it, but as a dom set, backup would be like a Rougue Island Police, and we fight them as enemies, so I don't know how that would work out. Other than modifying that idea a little bit, it looks pretty good.
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That's got nothing to do with it. There are no animal pets for the same reason there are no animals in the game period. CoX doesn't include any sort of quadrupedal model. Therefore there's no basis for things like cats, dogs, etc. |
Originally Posted by Big_Soto
P.S. I think the Devs try to stay away from animials as pets because it simulates animal abuse or some other corny reason.
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As for why the Devs haven't endeavored to create such models, because animating anything with more than two legs is exceedingly time consuming and difficult. In the time it'd take them to do that they could churn all kinds of other cool stuff.
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That is why I didnt put one in the build. Full Auto does doesnt fall into the same catagory as a nuke since it has a fast recharge and doesnt have a end drop. I could seen Full Auto being switch with LRM Rocket.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Yeaaah, doms don't get nukes.
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Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
Just came up with an idea for a new set for Doms and Trollers. Tell me what you think and would you play this?
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I like this. I think quite a few people have proposed "Natural" control sets. This is one my favorites by far. The assault set is great too. Most of these powers exist in the game in some form anyway.
The pet could be a Merc or a Big Bot...which could be interesting as well.
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I like the control set...the reinforcemnts could be black-clothed style mercs with riot armor elements. This makes the concept flexible beyond a pseudo-cop, to a more grenade/mercenary/cop/military etc. theme availability.
I'm wondering about the assault set. While melee gun attack are present in the game, they're more consistent with lower damage, higher stun-type attacks. None that I can think of compare to an 'extreme' damage set.
To this I think you may be focusing too much on the riot control idea. It's cool, it makes sense, but it's a bit focused. Fire/ice? Earth/Psi? All kinda generic. Gravity/riot? Riot/electric? Not so sure. I'd actually losen up the gun theme for the assault set and make this a dual weapon set: Gun for ranged, a large combat knife for melee. The Knife animations could 'offhand' for stabbing, the gun staying present in the right hand. When returning to shooting, the knife goes bye-bye.
Still, cool powers and the best tech/natural set suggestions I've seen for doms, the control powers particularly.
Side note: I'd actually make the tear gas an oddity: a high -tohit power. I know it's wierd for a standby 'control,' but with enough it would be mitigation.
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Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
That is why I didnt put one in the build. Full Auto does doesnt fall into the same catagory as a nuke since it has a fast recharge and doesnt have a end drop.
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Quibbles such as this diminish the real point: We're not going to get that power. We probably wouldn't get LRM either.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
I think you'll find the phrase 'crashless nuke' still includes the word 'nuke.'
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I love the concept. I might go with a taser gun instead of the cryo freeze ray for a single target hold as it might fit the rest of the set better.
I would like to hear more regarding the tier 9 power - what about a modified Gun Drone that fires a taser, heavy burst, and single target flash bangs?
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I'm always interested in more "natural" options. Dominators has needed one since forever. I would have prefered "pistol assault" because I think it would look cooler but a rifle is fine too.
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Just came up with an idea for a new set for Doms and Trollers. Tell me what you think and would you play this?
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Originally Posted by JayboH
...and your alternative solution is?
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I'm not the one proposing a new set. I'm just pointing out to the op that he has a flaw in his design. It's not up to me to fix it for him. I wasn't aware it was up to me to fix other people's posts for them. I'll get cracking on it right away:
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Originally Posted by JayboH
It is pretty reasonable to point out that the T9 powers available to dominators in their secondaries don't tend to be comparative to the T9 powers blasters get in their primaries. That said, there are other powers that I think might fit better in that slot, and if you'll just give me a moment, I'll propose alternatives.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I'm always interested in more "natural" options. Dominators has needed one since forever. I would have prefered "pistol assault" because I think it would look cooler but a rifle is fine too.
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If we open the discussion to 'natural themed dominator set' what I'd rather is a control set that sacrifices its ranged options for PBAOE options, and is predicated on throwing knives. Assault set, the same, modelled after Blaze/Bitter Ice Blast, which sacrifice long range for increases in damage.
Just off the top of my head, mind. Maybe if they get around to 'fixing' Trick Arrow (which I hear has problems) they'll have the room provided for this kind of set to be created.
As you laid it out, both the control set and the assault set are hilariously overpowered. It's not a question of who would play riot/riot, it's a question of who wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by Silencer7
As you laid it out, both the control set and the assault set are hilariously overpowered. It's not a question of who would play riot/riot, it's a question of who wouldn't.
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The tier nine for the assault set is overpowered, I can't think of any assault set that has anything close to that much AOE. The ninth power should be a short range (50ft) heavy damage single target blast.
I swapped out Full Auto And replaced it with Slug to be more inline with other Dom Assault sets.
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3 single target attacks
Dominator - Riot Assault (All shot from a Rifle)
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2 melee attacks
1 targeted AoE attack
1 cone attack
1 snipe
1 self buff power
Used Ice Assault as a template
3 single target attacks (Ice Blast, Ice Bolt, Bitter Ice Blast)
2 melee attacks (Ice Sword, Ice Slash)
1 AoE attack (Ice Sword Circle)
1 cone attack (Frost Breath)
1 self buff power (Power Boost)
1 toggle slow power (I replaced with a snipe since most of the other sets have a snipe)
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Changed the order and types of some of the powers. Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)
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I think a Robot might be doable.
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Originally Posted by RiverOcean
I like this. I think quite a few people have proposed "Natural" control sets. This is one my favorites by far. The assault set is great too. Most of these powers exist in the game in some form anyway.
The pet could be a Merc or a Big Bot...which could be interesting as well. |
I think it's a great idea, kinda matches up nicely with MM Thugs too...
I would do it something like this...
Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)
1. Web Grenade Ranged (Single Target), Foe Immobilize
2. Cryo Freeze Ray Ranged (Single Target), Foe Hold
3. Tear Gas Ranged (Targeted AoE), Foe Immobilize, with small toxic damage
4. Smoke Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AoE) Foe -Perception, -To-Hit
5. Riot Foam Ranged (Location AoE), -Fly, -Jump, -SPD
6. Pepper Spray - Ranged (Targeted AoE) Choke (Hold)
7. Flash Bang - (Targeted AoE), Foe Stun
8. Sleep Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AoE) Sleep
9. Gun Drone or SWAT (like the Commando)
Dominator - Riot Assault (All shot from a Rifle)
1. Burst - Ranged (Single Target) -Def
2. Pummel - Melee, High DMG (Single Target) Stun
3. Slug - Ranged (Single Target) KD
4. Heavy Burst - Ranged (Cone) -Def
5. Swap Ammo
6. Venom Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AOE) -Res
7. Bayonet - Melee, Superior DMG (Single Target)
8. Sniper Rifle - Sniper, Extreme DMG (Single Target)
9. Hollow Point - Ranged High DMG (Single Target +DOT like blaze for bleed damage) range 50 ft
Just came up with an idea for a new set for Doms and Trollers. Tell me what you think and would you play this?
Dominator - Riot Assault (All shot from a Rifle)Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)