Riot Control... Would you play this?


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Originally Posted by Golden_Pie View Post
I think it's a great idea, kinda matches up nicely with MM Thugs too...

I would do it something like this...


Dominator - Riot Assault (All shot from a Rifle)

1. Burst - Ranged (Single Target) -Def
2. Pummel - Melee, High DMG (Single Target) Stun
3. Slug - Ranged (Single Target) KD
4. Heavy Burst - Ranged (Cone) -Def
5. Swap Ammo
6. Venom Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AOE) -Res
7. Bayonet - Melee, Superior DMG (Single Target)
8. Sniper Rifle - Sniper, Extreme DMG (Single Target)
9. Hollow Point - Ranged High DMG (Single Target +DOT like blaze for bleed damage) range 50 ft
I like that set up...

Does any one think that it would be better if all the grenades are throw from the hand and not shot from a gun?


 

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Originally Posted by Mod_Noc View Post
I like that set up... 

Does any one think that it would be better if all the grenades are throw from the hand and not shot from a gun?
I would say it would be better to be rifle shot. That reduces redraw issues. One of the things I hate about the plant control and assault sets are that though they naturally go together you are still forced to redraw for the assault set.

Pepper Spray should be a short ranged cone. It would also be a -perception, -to-hit, with maybe a stun

Tear Gas would be a -perception, -to-hit, with a fear


 

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I'd play the set. It looks like it would be a lot of fun.


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Current set up.

Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)



1. Bola Grenade – Ranged (Single Target), Foe Immobilize
2. Tear Gas – Ranged (Single Target), Foe Hold
3. Wide Area Web Grenade – Ranged (Targeted AoE), Foe Immobilize
5. Sleep Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AoE), Sleep
4. Smoke Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AoE), Foe -Perception, -To-Hit
6. Flash Bang- (PBAoE), Foe Stun
7. Pepper Spray - Ranged (Cone), Choke (Hold)
8. Riot Foam – Ranged (Location AoE), -Fly, -Jump, -SPD
9. Summon Robot – Summon Backup Robot
Dominator - Riot Assault (All shot from a Rifle)


1. Burst - Ranged (Single Target) -Def
2. Pummel - Melee, High DMG (Single Target) Stun
3. Slug - Ranged (Single Target) KD
4. Heavy Burst - Ranged (Cone) -Def
5. Swap Ammo
6. Venom Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AOE) -Res
7. Bayonet - Melee, Superior DMG (Single Target)
8. Sniper Rifle - Sniper, Extreme DMG (Single Target)
9. Hollow Point - Ranged High DMG (Single Target +DOT like blaze for bleed damage) range 50 ft


 

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I honestly think both Controllers and Dominators need a "gadgets" Control set, and a gun-based Assault sets for Dominators is a necessity for the Natural, non-powered villains (and Preatorians, come GR) too.

Personally, I think I would go more with a sort of glue gun, and then a combination of martial arts kicks and pistols for the Secondary. It introduces redraw, but then there would be redraw with any combination BUT Riot Control/Assault Rifle anyway. Riot Control being grenades and other weapons that require limited redraw would be more in keeping with Devices and Traps.

That doesn't mean I would be opposed to the set being fired from the Super Soaker, I just think it's a conceptual stretch. Plus, there could eventually be a sort of Control Archery to pair with Trick Arrow, which would use the bow as the unified launch system.

Ultimately, though, I think the reason I am posting here is to say that Riot Control is still the perfect name for the set, no matter how it is set up.


 

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Would this be a better secondary?

Pistol Assault


1. Pistols - Ranged, Minor DMG(Lethal/Special)
2. Pistol Whip – Melee, Moderate DMG(Smash), Foe Stun (Backhand with gun in hand)
3. Dual Wield - Ranged, Moderate DMG(Lethal/Special), Foe Knockback/Special
4. Empty Clips - Ranged (Cone), Moderate DMG(Lethal/Special), Knockback/Special
5. Swap Ammo - Change Secondary Damage/Effects
6. Foot Sweep - PBAoE, Moderate DMG(Smash), Foe Knockdown (Same animation ad Dragons tail)
7. Double Barrel - Melee High DMG(Smash), Foe -Recharge, -SPD, Knockback (Same animation as Ripper except with guns)
8. Piercing Rounds - Narrow Ranged, High DMG(Lethal/Special), Foes -Res(All)/Special
9. Executioner's Shot - Close, High DMG(Lethal/Special), Foe Knockback/Special




 

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I would like to see more powers like DP's Piercing Rounds. Long, very very narrow cone, that can hit 3 targets so it seems like you're piercing through multiple enemies lined up. I think something like that in rifle form would work out nicely for this proposed set.


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I would like to see more powers like DP's Piercing Rounds. Long, very very narrow cone, that can hit 3 targets so it seems like you're piercing through multiple enemies lined up. I think something like that in rifle form would work out nicely for this proposed set.
I put Piercing Rounds back in there. I was thinking after seeing the movie Avatar and seen the big blue people beat the hell out of the human with the Bows, it made me realize that they can turn Archery into an assault set with Bow Melee. Trick Arrow can be converted to a Primary Control set. They are so many great ideas out there that can be created for a devices based set that can be played as a Natural or even a Tech theme for Doms and Trollers.


 

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I honestly think it would be more likely to see Swap Ammo with a pistol set than with Assault Rifle. Outside of that, yeah, except for the need to redraw weapons between the Primary and Secondary it's probably just as good as an Assault Set.

It seems kind of redundant to have three different sets for a rifle with martial arts, pistols with martial arts, and a bow with martial arts, but that's probably how it would end up having to be. Assuming the devs actually take the time to make all three sets.


 

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I would rather see Grenade Launcher Control and Gatling gun Assault.


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I would rather see Grenade Launcher Control and Gatling gun Assault.
What kind of melee could you do with a Gatling Gun for Gatling Assault...lol



I am a big guy and I would even have trouble swinging this around to pistol whip someone...


 

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I could see a Grenade Launcher Control or just a weapon selection.


 

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I was in the military a few years ago and I remember training on the use of a bayonet. We had to learn how to use it in close combat and we even did an obstacle course with our rifle with bayonets attached and had to Slash the dummy from shoulder to opposite hip at an angle, Stab with all our force behind it, slice the where the stomach would be on the dummy, and even had to learn how deliver a powerful butt stroke with the buttstock of our weapon. This is why I beieve that Rifle Assault would be the perfect combo of range and melee for a Dominator.

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What kind of melee could you do with a Gatling Gun for Gatling Assault...lol

I am a big guy and I would even have trouble swinging this around to pistol whip someone...

Well you could drop it on there foot for a small mag 2 stun.


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well you could drop it on there foot for a small mag 2 stun.
lmao...


 

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Or just a Spray


Looks like its an Area of Effects to me...lol
That's definitely a cone. And damn.... just DAMN! I would hate to be that guy. :-)


 

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That is why I didnt put one in the build. Full Auto does doesnt fall into the same catagory as a nuke since it has a fast recharge and doesnt have a end drop. I could seen Full Auto being switch with LRM Rocket.
[Full Auto] is what they call a crashless nuke...

[Edit: Nevermind... I shoulda finished reading the thread first.]



 

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Just read someone's post about a natural set and it reminded of this old post and I still want to see this set in the game


 

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I've been wanting a "Natural" set for Dominator. If Whip Assault just takes too long to make (as stated by one of the devs), then I would gladly take Riot/Gadget Control and some kind of natural assault attacks. I am not too sure if I want another Assault Rifle-kind of sets. We already have Assault Rifle and Soldier. I am leaning towards Martial Arts style with kicks and throwing star. :P


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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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Most of the other Dom secondary's have a power boost/build up in them somewhere. (psionic doesn't I think). It should be worked into the set somewhere.

That aside, I like the idea.




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I've been wanting a "Natural" set for Dominator. If Whip Assault just takes too long to make (as stated by one of the devs), then I would gladly take Riot/Gadget Control and some kind of natural assault attacks. I am not too sure if I want another Assault Rifle-kind of sets. We already have Assault Rifle and Soldier. I am leaning towards Martial Arts style with kicks and throwing star. :P


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I personally would like the Dual Pistols combo with some martial arts kicks. That would have more range and do more AoE damage than throwing stars. (Even the exploding kind! )

Personally, I think the Assault Rifle is too bulky, if Riot Control uses grenades and gadgets like that, I personally wouldn't want that. However, if the Super Soaker fired things like a glue spray or tear gas, that might overlap with an Assault Rifle Secondary...

Likewise, a Control form of Trick Arrow for use with a Bow Secondary. But now we're starting to get into multiple options that I think would take too long to implement. I'd start with just the basics, something you would expect a PPD cop or SWAT officer to carry.


 

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Three small alternations.

Replace cryo freeze ray with:
Full Body Scanning - Ranged (single target), magnitude 7 foe hold, minor energy based DoT.

Replace sleep grenade with:
Enhanced Pat Down - Melee (single target), magnitude 10 foe confuse, magnitude 7 PBAoE foe fear (10' radius).

Replace summon police dog with:
Summon TSA Screener - Summons two henchman that uses Full Body Scanning and Enhanced Pat Down on foes exclusively.

These changes will make the set all the more real world like.


 

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Originally Posted by Ocularis View Post
Most of the other Dom secondary's have a power boost/build up in them somewhere. (psionic doesn't I think). It should be worked into the set somewhere.

That aside, I like the idea.
I totally agree and that is why I placed Targeting Drone or Swap Ammo in there. I wanted to keep the natural theme and since AR or DP dont have build up, I figured this was the best way to give a self buff.


 

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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight View Post
Well you could drop it on there foot for a small mag 2 stun.
Heh, beat me to it. xD

As for the set itself, redraw would be pretty important to adress, good dominator sets are fast sets with quick animations, this idea, while very good, has the natural problem of possibly having long animations or being weighed down by draw/redraw just because of the way weapon sets work.