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Originally Posted by New Dawn
I have my reasons for not being behind Spain. I am entitled to them. I'll enjoy the game more having taken sides, besides Holland aint lost in a good long while and it will be for me, very interesting to see if their total football can out chess Spanish football which is very good. Everyone else making an issue out of my reasoning is down to them. People who wish to get personal over it with a slight even indirect dig at me will be trolling although I'll bet unintentionally. I have seen (unintentional?) prejudism and sexism, of which I am not bothered about within this thread which counters my bringing of animal rights enough.
I had basically to think, who will I support out of the two countries and an easy reason came to me why. I do not see why such a big thing is made of my reasoning. Those people in your link are not representative of the thousands of others who are connected with PETA. I don't find every Spanish person bad neither. Edit:Changed Sig for now. I probably haven't watched club football in 16 years or so when I stopped watching Tottenham. |
Btw, the women's pun was a joke, I'm not sexist plus I have better things to do than look for pictures of bullfighters to send you, but hey, feel free to delete any PM's I might send you since they'll surely be sent by mistake.
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ROFL.
Btw, the women's pun was a joke, I'm not sexist plus I have better things to do than look for pictures of bullfighters to send you, but hey, feel free to delete any PM's I might send you since they'll surely be sent by mistake. |
Anyway, Germany Uruguay was good? I was a little unbiased on that one. I had been really appreciating Suarez's play. I was with a German woman too, but she was alittle bit unbiased as well as she only hoped that the winners deserved to win. Didn't that Octopus predict Germany to win today and Spain tomorrow?
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I getting more and more bored of this world cup, wish I'd known this thread was here before more passion and pride here than has been shown in most of the games
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They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
All I can say is:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Toma toma y tomaaa!
Campeooones campeooones oee oee oeeee
campeoooones campeooones oeee oeee oeee!
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My mate was extremely pleased with the result..he had a fiver on Iniesta to score the first goal 
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A poor game, almost impossible to referee, no fun to watch until extra time, the right team won.
I was really disappointed with the Dutch, didn't expect them to spoil in the way they did, but it nearly worked, if Robben has gone down the second time he was through one on one, he was definitely pulled back, and the Spanish would have been down to 10, and he should have scored the first time he was through.
There seems to be more controversy about the refereeing than anything else, I felt he made one clear cut mistake, the free kick the Dutch took that took a big deflection off the wall and was given as a goal kick just before the Spanish scored. It was a horrible game to referee, I haven't seen replays from the right angles to be able to tell, but I think the ref's view of the De Jongh boot in the chest was that De Jongh had his eyes on the ball all the way and was as surprised as anybody when he connected with a player rather than the ball. There were a couple of other incidents that he viewed in a similar way.
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Grats to the Spanish and hard luck for the Dutch
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Germany's game against Uruguay yesterday was definately more enjoyable and like Minotaur mentioned, it was a difficult match to referee. Overall through it was a good result with the right team winning.
Well done Spain, it's good to see a different nation on the trophy!
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Statistics of the match:
Netherlands - Spain
Possession of the ball
39,98% 60,02%
Total Shots (34)
41,18% | 14 20 | 58,82%
Total Goal Shots (9)
55,56% | 5 4 | 44,44%
Corners (14)
42,86% | 6 8 | 57,14%
Goalkeeper actions (13)
53,85% | 7 6 | 46,15%
Missed balls (199)
51,76% | 103 96 | 48,24%
Regained balls (136)
49,26% | 67 69 | 50,74%
Fouls made (47)
59,57% | 28 19 | 40,43%
Regarding the referee's performance, I agree he was THAT bad... Van Bommel and De Jong should have been sent off because of their terrible aggressions over Xabi Alonso and Iniesta, the only thing that Dutch team got was to put off-centre Spanish performance, who was quite better than the Dutch one until that moment
http://www.marca.com/2010/07/11/futb...278875319.html
Funniest thing is that they protested EVERYTHING and EVERYTIME, like if it was Xabi's fault to be in the middle of De Jong's foot. They had a quite simple scheme, long throws to Robben and praying for a Casillas mistake, while Spain did all the hard job moving the ball despite the dirty Dutch performance and the bad refereeing. All in all, we did win anyway!
OLEEEEEEEEEEEEE
PS: Where's the journalist that spoke against Sara Carbonero's presence in the WC? Surely hidden under a rock in the middle of the desert hahaha!
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Like i said, its the referee who will decide the match.
Luckely, smoking was allowed in the clubs, im happy.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
I don't watch Spanish football ever normally so wouldn't know who else would be on the team. Why would I as it's a country with bulls getting killed for the public's entertainment going on? There is a English Matador that the Spanish go to watch in the hopes he may get ripped apart. I'd be like that except with all the Matadors.
I'll delete any posts you may send but I have seen my fair share of animal cruelty and it just makes my blood boil some more. I been sober writing here, my eyes are 20/20, you've been sexist  . Come on Holland! |
I definitely didn't enjoy watching the Dutchmans overly inaccurate tackles. I don't know if Dutch TV shows the Flying Monkey Crazy Horse Kick or just how bad the tackles had been from their team but they were on the whole either aggressive or inaccurate most of the time. The ref made some judgements sometimes a bit too lenient and sometimes a bit too harsh but really he has to call it as he sees it and try to calm the game I guess.
Am glad Spain got on with it, stuck to their game and they deserved to win, as it was with other refs there could of been atleast a couple of Holland players red carded. Not the kind of match I was hoping to see.
He's a big ref and prolly doesn't think that people could of been hurt that much.
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See the ref can only call it how he sees it from where he is. Am damned sure what ever decisions he made would have been disapproved of.
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They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Although I agree with the sentiment that at least a couple Dutch players could have been red carded (De Jong and Van Bommel certainly merited for that), the referee's role was not to envy since it's not that easy to send someone off the field in a World Cup final which is meant to be an example of fair play and enjoyable football for a worldwide audience.
Sad to see that a team like Holland who have excelled in the not too distant past for their exquisite football had to resource to rough game and protesting every single decision in order to get the referee and the other team out of balance, it worked well for them against Brazil, glad it didn't work for them last night. I strongly believe Holland have a much much better football than what they showed in the final, but at the end of the day, they're professional players who did what they were instructed to do.-
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A big ref that now claims to be a 'physical and emotional wreck' and calling the match 'going through a hell'. What ref can you be, unable to surive such match? Yes perhaps rough, but a ref of such degree should've seen far worse matches.|
Originally Posted by New Dawn
He's a big ref and prolly doesn't think that people could of been hurt that much.
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Both sides (from different perspectives) have huge critics on the way Webb done this game, he failed calming down 2 fierce teams, instead he only made it worse by raining out yellow cards and neglecting most important fouls in the match.
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The referee didn't run out on the pitch with the intention of kicking other players. The Dutch did. All the criticism does is mask the fact that the Dutch players acted like a bunch of thugs. |
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A big ref that now claims to be a 'physical and emotional wreck' and calling the match 'going through a hell'. What ref can you be, unable to surive such match? Yes perhaps rough, but a ref of such degree should've seen far worse matches.
Both sides (from different perspectives) have huge critics on the way Webb done this game, he failed calming down 2 fierce teams, instead he only made it worse by raining out yellow cards and neglecting most important fouls in the match. |
It was an incredibly dull World Cup. Lots of very mediocre teams getting through matches by being very difficult to break down. I personally find Spain's football quite dull, I prefer the hectic pace of the premiership.
I also find talk of Englands 'Golden Generation' to be ridiculous. The team of 98 was far better, even with Glenn Hoddle as manager.
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It was an incredibly dull World Cup. Lots of very mediocre teams getting through matches by being very difficult to break down. |
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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Originally Posted by SinergyX_EU
A big ref that now claims to be a 'physical and emotional wreck' and calling the match 'going through a hell'. What ref can you be, unable to surive such match? Yes perhaps rough, but a ref of such degree should've seen far worse matches.
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It's on record now, that was the worst team England have ever had. There was one fierce team, well a team of thugs and that was Holland.
Lets not look at the ref too much, the rules were broken by the players and he could only call it on what he saw. People faking pain one sec and up and at it moment later is quite common.
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While watching teams play the "beautiful game" is always great, how often do you see two teams playing like that and it being close? The only match i can think of like that is the arsenal/barca game.| It was an incredibly dull World Cup. Lots of very mediocre teams getting through matches by being very difficult to break down. I personally find Spain's football quite dull, I prefer the hectic pace of the premiership. |
Teams like Ghana/England/S.Africa/France know they would be destroyed if they went up against a team like spain with the gameplan of trying to play beautiful and attractive football. They have to play the tactical advantage of playing the ugly route [though i thought that was the dirtiest final ever!] as the neutral would call it, its the only way they have a chance of not being on the losing side of a landfall loss.
I personally loved the fact that Ghana got so far, even the other "lesser known teams" that didnt quite make it so far all showed in their passion as to how much this meant to them. If you took just a tiny bit of the passion some of those teams had and gave it to one of the many fallen giants of this competition then they would have gone a hella lot further.
Great world cup i think! For enjoying each match as it is . . . . watching as one team defends like hell and the other goes all out blazing in the dying minutes to try and save their dreams . . . . . now THATS how a knockout tournie should be! Not one to be decided by half time
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Apparently some select Holland players are blaming the ref for their loss. He gave them more chances than any team could of possibly deserved. Oh well let sore losers cry, the toys can remain on the floor. It's one thing to be thuggish on the pitch which is disgraceful but to lose disgracefully as well that's just being an embarassment.
Edit: If anything Spain had looked the more epic team from overcoming the refs leniency which was bad for them, all the fouls and still winning.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Apparently some select Holland players are blaming the ref for their loss. He gave them more chances than any team could of possibly deserved. Oh well let sore losers cry, the toys can remain on the floor. It's one thing to be thuggish on the pitch which is disgraceful but to lose disgracefully as well that's just being an embarassment.
Edit: If anything Spain had looked the more epic team from overcoming the refs leniency which was bad for them, all the fouls and still winning. |
Could you imagine if it was holland that scored the goal in the last few minutes though instead? All the headlines would be about how on earth half of their team werent sent off.
Refs really do have the hardest job in the world of football.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Apparently some select Holland players are blaming the ref for their loss. He gave them more chances than any team could of possibly deserved. Oh well let sore losers cry, the toys can remain on the floor. It's one thing to be thuggish on the pitch which is disgraceful but to lose disgracefully as well that's just being an embarassment.
Edit: If anything Spain had looked the more epic team from overcoming the refs leniency which was bad for them, all the fouls and still winning. |
And still playing their passing game rather than devolving into the sort of brawl the Dutch wanted. Fair play to them (and boo to Holland).
The cynical part of my brain thinks that Holland knew they'd get away with it more because the ref would be under increased pressure not to send anyone off. So they could get away with the most blatant of fouls.*
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Could you imagine if it was holland that scored the goal in the last few minutes though instead? All the headlines would be about how on earth half of their team werent sent off.
Refs really do have the hardest job in the world of football. |
The Dutch could have won that game, the save Casillas made 1 on 1 with Robben, he'd have had no chance to make if Robben had lifted his shot a little more, then if Robben had fallen the second time he was through 1 on 1 where he was definitely pulled back, Spain would have been down to 10.
The two incidents where the Dutch players could have been sent off, I think the De Jongh one was viewed as innocent but dangerous (eyes on the ball, expecting to kick ball not player) hence a yellow card, and I suspect he just didn't see the Van Bommel one properly as the contact was so long after the ball had gone, if he had seen it properly, would have had to be a second yellow. I suspect he realised something had happened that he'd missed which is why he didn't then book the Spanish player for running into Van Bommel in the aftermath.
More culpable was not giving Robben a second yellow for carrying on and putting the ball in the net in the dying minutes when the offside whistle had gone a while before, and missing the corner the Dutch should have had just before the Spanish goal when the ball flicked off the end of the wall from a free kick, and giving it as a goal kick. Not sending Robben off could have come back to haunt him if the Dutch had equalised and Robben scored the winning penalty.
The Dutch were complaining that they should have had a free kick when one of their players was blocked on the edge of the Spanish penalty area at the start of the move from which Spain scored, I felt he got that one right, the player was looking for a free kick.
I'm not a great Howard Webb fan, he was poor in the premiership all season, but I feel he made a reasonable job of a very difficult match, having been along with Ravshan Irmatov one of the two best refs in the tournament.
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I have my reasons for not being behind Spain. I am entitled to them. I'll enjoy the game more having taken sides, besides Holland aint lost in a good long while and it will be for me, very interesting to see if their total football can out chess Spanish football which is very good. Everyone else making an issue out of my reasoning is down to them. People who wish to get personal over it with a slight even indirect dig at me will be trolling although I'll bet unintentionally. I have seen (unintentional?) prejudism and sexism, of which I am not bothered about within this thread which counters my bringing of animal rights enough.
I had basically to think, who will I support out of the two countries and an easy reason came to me why. I do not see why such a big thing is made of my reasoning.
Those people in your link are not representative of the thousands of others who are connected with PETA. I don't find every Spanish person bad neither.
Edit:Changed Sig for now. I probably haven't watched club football in 16 years or so when I stopped watching Tottenham.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.