Why doesn't Red get: Physical Perfection?
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Bill Z Bubba,
Posted on: 2010-06-11 09:00 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Why don't Scrappers nor Tankers get Darkest Night?
Or Gloom?
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Where will you give it to them? Add a sixth power to an Patron Pool? Do you plan to add a sixth power to all the other Patron Pools? You realize that you'll also have to add a sixth power to all the Hero Epic Pools as well, otherwise "the devs hate blueside".
In short, Physical Perfection was created specifically to pad out all Epic Pools to five powers. So you'll have to create a new Power to pad them all out to six powers. Obviously both sides will need to have that new power, so now you need to pad them all to seven powers. And of course the new powers you create will have to be put on both sides, so now they're all padded out to eight. And nine. And ten. And eleven...
I assume that the new APP for brutes will have Physical Perfection. You'll have to go blueside to get it, of course, but better than nothing, yea?
Be well, people of CoH.
Can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious answer yet.
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I'll trade you Gloom or Darkest night for Physical Perfection 
That alone you can just be Proc Set,
JJ
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Can't believe nobody has pointed out the obvious answer yet.
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Dev's hate Villains.
The same reason blue side doesn't get pets in their epics? IDK but I would sure love a pet on some of my scrappers or blasters or tankers.
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Originally Posted by JJDrakken
I'll trade you Gloom or Darkest night for Physical Perfection
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Gloom does my main no good. It's use, because of the redraw penalty, (c'mon BAB, HURRY!!!! GR is almost here!) reduces claws' DPS.
I do remember a day when I had dark blast in my build. After ED/GDN, before the scaling resists were put into SR. Had to go the all range, high defense build. Was a sad time.
Anyhoo, darkest night on top of SR would be amazing.
Be well, people of CoH.
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My brute is a Super Strength/Super Reflexes which is softcapped and has Darkest Night on top of that. I can say it's very nice. |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Gloom does my main no good. It's use, because of the redraw penalty, (c'mon BAB, HURRY!!!! GR is almost here!) reduces claws' DPS.
I do remember a day when I had dark blast in my build. After ED/GDN, before the scaling resists were put into SR. Had to go the all range, high defense build. Was a sad time. Anyhoo, darkest night on top of SR would be amazing. |
They already find it hard enough to hit me, and now their damage is reduced when they do manage it... plus, they find it harder to hit teammates too as well as doing less damage.
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Originally Posted by Ideon
My brute is a Super Strength/Super Reflexes which is softcapped and has Darkest Night on top of that. I can say it's very nice.
They already find it hard enough to hit me, and now their damage is reduced when they do manage it... plus, they find it harder to hit teammates too as well as doing less damage. |
I never use it. My WP Brute no need, my Ninjitsu Stalker, no need, my EA Stalker no need, my whatever its going be upcoming brute... no need.
JJ
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Yet you need Physical Perfection?
Yes. It can be slotted with all sorts of Procs from Regen Tissue to Numina's to Performance Shifter
More Endo/Health Regen is Far better then Gloom, Darkest Night, or useless pet.
YES YOU CAN HAVE THE USELESS PETS. My Brute doesnt want it, my Stalker sure as hell doesnt want them.
You Tankers & Scrappers can be Pokeman players & have em!
They are good for Corrupters or Doms, really should of been given to Masterminds.
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I have yet to see any math showing PP, even fully slotted with IOs, to be more of a benefit to one's mitigation than DN. Doesn't mean that the math isn't out there, but I have yet to see it.
Tack on that gloom is almost brokenly good, from a min-max standpoint, choosing any PP other than SoulMastery appears to be a bad move.
Two power picks... better ST DPS and 21% damage debuff to foes? Yea... nice.
Be well, people of CoH.
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There is a definite trend that villains don't gain +End or +Rec powers. Force of Nature, Born in Battle and Marshal accolades are obtusely difficult to get compared to their heroic counterparts.|
Originally Posted by JJDrakken
The Tanks & Scrappers get Physical Perfection.
Yet Brutes/Stalkers do not, this sorta silly. Willpower Tank/Scrapper could if they wanted have 3 Sets of Stam(1 quick recovery), 3 sets of health(1 fast healing). I could see Mako getting this added to his patron, but no luck so far. I wont go say, cuz Dev's favor Blueside..blah blah blah. But as someone who 90% time plays redside(I just like over there). I do find that bit lame & rather curious if perhaps a dev see's this, why we don't have it or if/when we may get it? JJ |
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I really wouldn't classify being force to do a 7 TFs, and killing 333 of 4 mob types easy, red side got it made when it came to accolades especially after they lower the more grindy ones.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
There is a definite trend that villains don't gain +End or +Rec powers. Force of Nature, Born in Battle and Marshal accolades are obtusely difficult to get compared to their heroic counterparts.
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Plus stalkers got hibernate, and shadow meld think a lot of scappers would trade for does lol, brutes could use some love but DA is awesome enough to distract me.
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Originally Posted by _Nanu_
I really wouldn't classify being force to do a 7 TFs, and killing 333 of 4 mob types easy, red side got it made when it came to accolades especially after they lower the more grindy ones.
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I'm talking about The Atlas Medallion(+5 Max End) not Taskforce Commander(+5% Max Health). Marshall(also +5 Max End) requires completing the 'End game' LRSF which fails more often than succeeds, and can only be done 45+ instead of the mid-level Croatoan Geas of the Kind Ones.
Yes, Geas of the Kinds ones is rough, but still easier to get than Force of Nature(can't flashback to Mayhem missions). The badges required have no guarantee of spawning in Mayhems(Arsons for Firebug are particularly bad), while you can always find the croatoan mobs you need.
The 'easy to get' hero accolades are the hardest to get redside, and the 'hard to get' blueside are easier redside. It just so happens that makes the +End and recovery ones appear on the hard end of Redside, and very frustrating with little to no recovery help in the Patron Pools.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
7 tfs?
I'm talking about The Atlas Medallion(+5 Max End) not Taskforce Commander(+5% Max Health). Marshall(also +5 Max End) requires completing the 'End game' LRSF which fails more often than succeeds, and can only be done 45+ instead of the mid-level Croatoan Geas of the Kind Ones. Yes, Geas of the Kinds ones is rough, but still easier to get than Force of Nature(can't flashback to Mayhem missions). The badges required have no guarantee of spawning in Mayhems(Arsons for Firebug are particularly bad), while you can always find the croatoan mobs you need. The 'easy to get' hero accolades are the hardest to get redside, and the 'hard to get' blueside are easier redside. It just so happens that makes the +End and recovery ones appear on the hard end of Redside, and very frustrating with little to no recovery help in the Patron Pools. |
JJ
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
7 tfs?
I'm talking about The Atlas Medallion(+5 Max End) not Taskforce Commander(+5% Max Health). Marshall(also +5 Max End) requires completing the 'End game' LRSF which fails more often than succeeds, and can only be done 45+ instead of the mid-level Croatoan Geas of the Kind Ones. Yes, Geas of the Kinds ones is rough, but still easier to get than Force of Nature(can't flashback to Mayhem missions). The badges required have no guarantee of spawning in Mayhems(Arsons for Firebug are particularly bad), while you can always find the croatoan mobs you need. The 'easy to get' hero accolades are the hardest to get redside, and the 'hard to get' blueside are easier redside. It just so happens that makes the +End and recovery ones appear on the hard end of Redside, and very frustrating with little to no recovery help in the Patron Pools. |
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Originally Posted by JJDrakken
Speaks the Truth, Nanu is mistaken
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You don't need to finish the entire LRSF.
You only need to complete the 3rd mission - Defeat Future Freedom Phalanx.
There's only 4 AVs, and it's really not that hard.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Lord_Recluse_Strike_Force
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Annihilator_Badge
I agree on Force of Nature, it's a huge annoying grind-fest that I want nothing to do with.
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I have Marshall on a brute that has only run one LRSF, and it failed. Yes, the 45+ requirement sucks, but it does NOT require completion of the TF.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Marshall(also +5 Max End) requires completing the 'End game' LRSF which fails more often than succeeds, and can only be done 45+ instead of the mid-level Croatoan Geas of the Kind Ones.
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| The 'easy to get' hero accolades are the hardest to get redside, and the 'hard to get' blueside are easier redside. It just so happens that makes the +End and recovery ones appear on the hard end of Redside, and very frustrating with little to no recovery help in the Patron Pools. |
EDIT: Dammit, Deus, stop typing faster than me!
@Roderick
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Originally Posted by Roderick
EDIT: Dammit, Deus, stop typing faster than me! |
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Or... they could create a new Patron. That would be 25-30ish new powers... wait... I don't think that's better.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
In short, Physical Perfection was created specifically to pad out all Epic Pools to five powers. So you'll have to create a new Power to pad them all out to six powers. Obviously both sides will need to have that new power, so now you need to pad them all to seven powers. And of course the new powers you create will have to be put on both sides, so now they're all padded out to eight. And nine. And ten. And eleven...
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The Tanks & Scrappers get Physical Perfection.
Yet Brutes/Stalkers do not, this sorta silly.
Willpower Tank/Scrapper could if they wanted have 3 Sets of Stam(1 quick recovery), 3 sets of health(1 fast healing). I could see Mako getting this added to his patron, but no luck so far.
I wont go say, cuz Dev's favor Blueside..blah blah blah. But as someone who 90% time plays redside(I just like over there). I do find that bit lame & rather curious if perhaps a dev see's this, why we don't have it or if/when we may get it?
JJ
I delete more 50s, then you'll ever have.
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