Best usage of Reward Merits?
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Posted on: 2010-06-01 17:37 in The Market and Inventions
I recently rolled a load of merits blue side (lvl 50 rolling 30-34), and got a shock at some of the prices.
Pounding slugfest chance of disorient - 40M why ? well I got 3 of those out of 16 rolls
Numina's regen/recovery x2 - Ok, that's always going to be expensive, 100M each
Impervium armor resist - not sold it yet, but will be nice 60M+?
LotG 7.5 - not sold it yet, but will be nice, 180M ?
Obliteration quad - keeping it
Kinetic combat triple - keeping it
So that's 9 useful ones out of 16 and getting on towards 3/4 of a BN worth there, some of the others were 10-15M, a couple got vendored and some were a million or so more than break even so I crafted them to help the market. Some things don't change, got the obligatory immob and slow recipes 
I normally roll really badly, but shan't be complaining for a while.
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I had 220 merits(took me months and months to gather) which wasnt enough for the Numina i was eyeing so i rolled them 35-39 range...third roll was the Numina...kept rolling and about 1/3 had some gem's...1/3 stuff wasnt to shabby...last third got vendor'd(way to many for sale and no bidders)
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
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I roll randoms, starting at character level 30, in recipe range 30-34, and I sell the ones I can't use. I live what I preach. I do all right. |
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Originally Posted by DrMike2000
I enjoy random rolls in the 30-34 range.
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- 30-34 contains 106 recipes
- 35-39 contains 77 recipes
of the 30 or so recipes that drop out of the running at level 35, I see only 2 or 3 that are really top tier - basilisk quad, eradication quad and possibly the shield breaker triple or the call to arms +def aura.
so wouldn't your over-all odds of getting some of the most sought after IOs like the miracle, lotg +rech, numinas +regen/+recv be higher rolling at 35 -39? or am I missing other winners in the under 35 recipes?
appreciate any insight or feedback that folks can provide. I haven't done any serious random rolling but starting to build up enough merits to give it a go and trying to figure out the best level to roll, both for things I could use and things I can sell for good returns
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Basilisk and eradication quads plus pounding slugfest procs get added to the list (sets that stop at 30) plus the impeded swiftness proc. These are IOs I either use or sell for decent cash. The basilisk quad I had to merit buy red side as there were no recipes or crafted IOs for sale at any level when I needed one. When I got 3 pounding slugfest procs, I got 40M each for them. Basically because few people roll at that level, some of the IOs are pretty scarce.
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Originally Posted by kendo
could either or you (or anyone else that advocates rolling in the 30 -34 range) explain why you prefer to roll in the the 30 - 34 range rather than rolling in the 35 - 39 range? I know that rolls now have some weighting to them, but for now, just looking at what's available in the two ranges in Wiki
- 30-34 contains 106 recipes - 35-39 contains 77 recipes of the 30 or so recipes that drop out of the running at level 35, I see only 2 or 3 that are really top tier - basilisk quad, eradication quad and possibly the shield breaker triple or the call to arms +def aura. so wouldn't your over-all odds of getting some of the most sought after IOs like the miracle, lotg +rech, numinas +regen/+recv be higher rolling at 35 -39? or am I missing other winners in the under 35 recipes? appreciate any insight or feedback that folks can provide. I haven't done any serious random rolling but starting to build up enough merits to give it a go and trying to figure out the best level to roll, both for things I could use and things I can sell for good returns |
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I've actually been rolling in the 10-14 range intentionally, just for those recipes in question. There's a good amount of junk, but with only 33 recipes the chances of getting something decent is pretty good. The Basilisk and Eradication quads I'm pretty sure were the big hitters, but others in Cloud Senses, Shield Breaker were good. I think one of the Call to Arms got me 50M. I even got a few million out of a Razzle Dazzle. Impervious Skin was ok too, I think (unless that was another from the set that I got as a drop - can't remember).
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I've been rolling 30-34 in part to generate severely undersupplied recipes that cap at 30. However, I may need to check the tables more carefully - it's possible that splitting rolls between 35-39 and 10-14 will have a better chance of generating the worst-supplied recipes.
So the answer to the question asked upthread may be "because I'm poorly informed and lazy". So it goes.
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I've rolled 10-14 once.
It was an eradication quad.
I'm quite pleased with that random roll %
I often play in AE at level 10 with exp turned off and generate a ton of level 10 bronze rolls 10-14 then I move on to level 15 and again turn off exp and generate a ton of 15-19 because at 15 the Stealth IOs begin.
Then I do it again at 30 for 30-34 and 35 for 35-39.
I am considering adding in a freeze at 20 for a 20-24 roll option at some point.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
But the stealth IO's are gold rolls, aren't they?
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Originally Posted by Rodion
The best use of merits would be to outfit the character in the style to which you are accustomed.
If you're already level 50 and have everything you want, random rolls are the best thing for pure cash. You can also give them to your alts through global emails. If your character is pretty much complete, but you're broke and you just need that one LotG: +Recharge, you might want to go for the sure thing instead of chancing that you'll get enough decent recipes to afford a LotG: +Recharge on the market (a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...). |
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I believe he means you e-mail the results of the random rolls, not the merits.
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Ooops, you're right. I was thinking of my merit rolls I take. I can get to 100 or more by level 15 thanks to the exploration accolades and the 11 vet merits.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
But the stealth IO's are gold rolls, aren't they?
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I do a lot of bronze 10 -14 rolls as I can always use stdfst and kismets. but stealth IOs at 15 would require gold rolls which gets pretty expensive. do you get enough stealths to make that worthwhile? again, you can't believe everything you read or hear, but most of the "numbers" I have seen put out show that you would make way more by rolling 50 bronze recipes at that level than 1 gold.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I often play in AE at level 10 with exp turned off and generate a ton of level 10 bronze rolls 10-14 then I move on to level 15 and again turn off exp and generate a ton of 15-19 because at 15 the Stealth IOs begin.
Then I do it again at 30 for 30-34 and 35 for 35-39. I am considering adding in a freeze at 20 for a 20-24 roll option at some point. |
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I had the two quad pieces listed, they would be my primary reason for rolling below level 35, but I hadn't considered the proc pieces from slugfest or impeded. that would raise the number of decent results in that grouping. now that's making me consider an idea thrown out by Trashcan. maybe the best odds would be to split the rolls between levels 15 -19 and 35 - 39.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
Basilisk and eradication quads plus pounding slugfest procs get added to the list (sets that stop at 30) plus the impeded swiftness proc. These are IOs I either use or sell for decent cash. The basilisk quad I had to merit buy red side as there were no recipes or crafted IOs for sale at any level when I needed one. When I got 3 pounding slugfest procs, I got 40M each for them. Basically because few people roll at that level, some of the IOs are pretty scarce.
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moving up to level 15, instead of rolling 10 -14 only adds 12 recipes and those include the slugfest proc you mentioned and the stealth travel IOs. should give you pretty good odds on hitting a basilisk, eradication or one of these others. then roll some 35 - 39 to maximize the chances of getting the miracles, LotG, numinas, etc.
I would probably roll a bit heavier in one group or the other, depending on which items I needed more for personal use. like you mentioned, some things like the basilisk quad are not available, at any price, red side. so you either take your chances rolling one for yourself or just merit buy it specifically.
thanks for all the feedback everyone, good discussion and definitely picking up some nice tidbits of info
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I fill up my market slots on bronze rolls with characters then start with gold rolls. I simply don't sell the enhancements nearly fast enough to keep up with ticket generation unless I delete all but the most expensive bronze rolls, which would end up defeating the purpose.
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Originally Posted by kendo
you can't believe everything you read or hear, but most of the "numbers" I have seen put out show that you would make way more by rolling 50 bronze recipes at that level than 1 gold.
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I like Random rolls because they're like Christmas. You get a lot of nice procs you probably wouldn't have been willing to spend the inf to get, but they're nice to have. You need a lot of alts with different AT's in order to enjoy the full benefit though.
That's what the specific purchase advocates are ignoring, I think. Sure you'll usually spend more than 250 merits in rolls before you land on a Numina's proc, but it's not like all of those rolls are just wasted rolls.
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Nobody is going to complain if you list them for too cheap. I got a kinetic combat (don't remember which one) doing a 35-39 Merit roll once, and not knowing its value, I just listed it for 5 inf. Thank goodness nobody was trying to lowball. |
Originally Posted by Dersk
I fill up my market slots on bronze rolls with characters then start with gold rolls. I simply don't sell the enhancements nearly fast enough to keep up with ticket generation unless I delete all but the most expensive bronze rolls, which would end up defeating the purpose.
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Or... if you really don't want to sell them, just make them and drop them in your SG's storage bins, and tell all your SG-mates they're free to take.
Went random rolling tonight, 30-34 vill side, got a bizarre selection:
You received Pounding Slugfest: Chance to disorient (Recipe).
You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe).
You received Glimpse of the Abyss: Chance for Psionic Damage (Recipe).
You received Obliteration: Chance for smashing damage (Recipe).
You received Glimpse of the Abyss: Chance for Psionic Damage (Recipe).
You received Trap of the Hunter: Chance for Lethal damage (Recipe).
These were the first 6 of 20 rolls, and a load more chance of damages turned up later.
I'd be very interested to know how the possible rolls are held in the random table. I've long contended for many other reasons that the random number generator tends to have a greater probability than it should have of generating results that are close together, and if all the procs occur together on the table, this would be another example.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
lotg are what 200 merits
Numi is 240? That's a lot of random rolls. I say do the rolls, you'll probably make as much, maybe more, maybe less, but at the very least you'll be supplying the market with 10 or so IO's (crafted or recipe) which is a good thing. |
This is my problem with the whole "do random rolls!" I am making a toon that would like to have 5 LotG procs as well as the Numina/Miracle unique. First off I'm not about to spend 100+ million on them (since I don't have that kind of money) and 2 because I think it's ridiculous that they cost that much.
So I had two chars with about 200+ or so merits each. I rolled in the 30-34 range (pretty sure at least) and yes I did get 3 recipes that I needed in general (Oblit. quad, etc), I didn't get any of the procs (no real surprise since it is random).
Anyways...I want to say more but need to do work at work (bah!
) so the main thing I don't like is this part:"at the very least you'll be supplying the market with 10 or so IO's "
90% of the recipes I didn't want sell for less than what they do at the NPC store/quartermaster....what's the point of putting them up for sale when no one is buying them (and yes I've put up a few recipes for like 5 influence/infamy and nothing was sold over a good week)?
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I guess that is the downside. It's also another reason not to roll in the 30-34 range. There's just too much junk in that group. For me, it is always either 15-19, or 35-39. |
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
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"at the very least you'll be supplying the market with 10 or so IO's " 90% of the recipes I didn't want sell for less than what they do at the NPC store/quartermaster....what's the point of putting them up for sale when no one is buying them (and yes I've put up a few recipes for like 5 influence/infamy and nothing was sold over a good week)? |
15-19 still has a lot of junk in it, but it's the best to roll on when you're still level 20. That way, junk or not, at least it doesn't cost a lot to craft it.
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Did you check what the crafted enhancements sold for on the market, there are only about 10% of the recipes (if that) that you can't turn some sort of profit on. Almost never sell recipes, check the market, and in most cases craft them and sell them. There are recipes out there that sell for 100K or less, cost 2M or so to craft and the crafted enhancement sells for 10-20M, this is how a lot of us make our inf.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
This is my problem with the whole "do random rolls!" I am making a toon that would like to have 5 LotG procs as well as the Numina/Miracle unique. First off I'm not about to spend 100+ million on them (since I don't have that kind of money) and 2 because I think it's ridiculous that they cost that much.
So I had two chars with about 200+ or so merits each. I rolled in the 30-34 range (pretty sure at least) and yes I did get 3 recipes that I needed in general (Oblit. quad, etc), I didn't get any of the procs (no real surprise since it is random). Anyways...I want to say more but need to do work at work (bah! ) so the main thing I don't like is this part:"at the very least you'll be supplying the market with 10 or so IO's " 90% of the recipes I didn't want sell for less than what they do at the NPC store/quartermaster....what's the point of putting them up for sale when no one is buying them (and yes I've put up a few recipes for like 5 influence/infamy and nothing was sold over a good week)? |
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
This is my problem with the whole "do random rolls!" I am making a toon that would like to have 5 LotG procs as well as the Numina/Miracle unique. First off I'm not about to spend 100+ million on them (since I don't have that kind of money) and 2 because I think it's ridiculous that they cost that much.
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I probably spent 1.5B "purpling" and "LotGing" my warshade over most of the last year which I made by selling all the drops I got I didn't want and random rolling the merits I was earning.
I don't consider it a bad tradeoff.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
... and as long as there's one more person who thinks they're worth that than LoTG generated, Ion's never going to get one.
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Yes I will..just by saving up merits |
Originally Posted by Fulmens
... and as long as there's one more person who thinks they're worth that than LoTG generated, Ion's never going to get one.
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(or by getting lucky in random rolls)
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Depends on how smart they are, I bought 6 at much less than 100M each, just have patience and remember that levels other than 50 exist, I hit the 34-41 area, recipes not crafted.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
... and as long as there's one more person who thinks they're worth that than LoTG generated, Ion's never going to get one.
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I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't do that. It's entirely your choice.
I'll probably try both methods to see how I feel about it though.