B.A.B. and the Regulators?
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2010-05-27 11:14 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
If you look at the discussion page of that article, we have 2 dates for the founding of the Regulators, 1972 (when Michael White is 12) and 1979 (when he is 19). The 1972 is from the Scholar Badge, 1979 is from the 4yr anniversary calendar from a couple years back.
IMO, and as I said on the discussion page there, the 1979 date sounds much more likely, even if the official Paragon City background backs up the 1972 number (by saying "early seventies").
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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didn't check that I admit - '79 sounds more plausible and ties in with his war on drugs in the early 80s too.
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1960 still sounds a little young for BABs, wasn't he supposed to be contemporary with the first Manticore?
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Well it was founded in February 1979, so that's still "earlier" in the 70s than say, October 1979.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
IMO, and as I said on the discussion page there, the 1979 date sounds much more likely, even if the official Paragon City background backs up the 1972 number (by saying "early seventies").
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I changed the date in the wiki to 1979. The more I thought about it, the fewer reasons I could find to leave it at 1972. Michael White was twelve then, for goodness' sake.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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What have you people got against twelve year olds?!
. . . well, aside from what they do on VOIP servers . . .
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Originally Posted by VileTerror
What have you people got against twelve year olds?!
. . . well, aside from what they do on VOIP servers . . . |
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On the other hand, kids DO grow up rather fast on the streets. But, '79 is more logical and probably more accurate.
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Aggelakis is probably right: I changed the date in the wiki to 1979. The more I thought about it, the fewer reasons I could find to leave it at 1972. Michael White was twelve then, for goodness' sake. |
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
didn't check that I admit - '79 sounds more plausible and ties in with his war on drugs in the early 80s too.
Thanks for info What's really scary is I was born around the same time as most of the signature heroes... and I'm still waiting for my superpowers! |
When you throw a boomerang that doesn't come back, it gets downgraded to "stick". 
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Warden_de_dios turns boomerangs into sticks! Holy crap!
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Originally Posted by Decorum
When you throw a boomerang that doesn't come back, it gets downgraded to "stick".
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When I was 12, I was 6'1" tall. How old was Big Mike in the Blind Side? Just saying it's not inconceivable. (Although I agree 1979 is more palatable.)
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I changed the date in the wiki to 1979. The more I thought about it, the fewer reasons I could find to leave it at 1972. Michael White was twelve then, for goodness' sake.
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Uh... height/weight/size does not have anything to do with the legalities of letting a TWELVE YEAR OLD found a city-sanctioned supergroup that has almost as much power/autonomy as the Freedom Phalanx, and arguably as much power/autonomy as the military.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
When I was 12, I was 6'1" tall. How old was Big Mike in the Blind Side? Just saying it's not inconceivable. (Although I agree 1979 is more palatable.)
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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imdb says 6'8"|
Originally Posted by Ironik
When I was 12, I was 6'1" tall. How old was Big Mike in the Blind Side? Just saying it's not inconceivable. (Although I agree 1979 is more palatable.)
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>.> I'm slightly older than him by 3 day ;o
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
didn't check that I admit - '79 sounds more plausible and ties in with his war on drugs in the early 80s too.
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Well, maybe he formed it when he was 12, as a sort of "Super Awesome Boys' Club! (no baddies allow'd)" then actually got the government sanction for it when he was 19?
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Yes, but a younger contemporary. Bloodlines part 1 (TopCow comic #7) shows part of their backstory. Page 10 has BABs noting that it had been 20 years when they first worked together. Manticore 1 asks BABs if he's married, so assume BABs is a minumum of 18 at their meeting. The comic publishing date was Dec 2005, so assuming a rule of thumb that comic stories run a Earth Prime date parallel to our own (see the wedding stories both in comics and first in-game as proof of this), then BABs and Manticore 1 first worked together in 1985. Assuming BABs was born in 1960 and put the Regulators together at age 19 in 1979, then he was roughly 25 when Manticore 1 and he first worked together.|
Originally Posted by Silverado
1960 still sounds a little young for BABs, wasn't he supposed to be contemporary with the first Manticore?
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Now what puzzles me with that is why Justin, Manticore 2, did not understand all that happened to his parents. He certainly wasn't in his low 20s when he married Shalice. I'm thinking at least 30, which would put him at least 10 years old assuming his dad died in 1985. Older if later.
I'm going to stop now. My head is hurting from tossing all these numbers around. lol
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According to the calendars, Manticore's birthday is December 12, 1968 putting him at 17 in 85, which if I recall correctly is about the time the second novel is set.
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
Yes, but a younger contemporary. Bloodlines part 1 (TopCow comic #7) shows part of their backstory. Page 10 has BABs noting that it had been 20 years when they first worked together. Manticore 1 asks BABs if he's married, so assume BABs is a minumum of 18 at their meeting. The comic publishing date was Dec 2005, so assuming a rule of thumb that comic stories run a Earth Prime date parallel to our own (see the wedding stories both in comics and first in-game as proof of this), then BABs and Manticore 1 first worked together in 1985. Assuming BABs was born in 1960 and put the Regulators together at age 19 in 1979, then he was roughly 25 when Manticore 1 and he first worked together.
Now what puzzles me with that is why Justin, Manticore 2, did not understand all that happened to his parents. He certainly wasn't in his low 20s when he married Shalice. I'm thinking at least 30, which would put him at least 10 years old assuming his dad died in 1985. Older if later. I'm going to stop now. My head is hurting from tossing all these numbers around. lol |
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
According to the calendars, Manticore's birthday is December 12, 1968 putting him at 17 in 85, which if I recall correctly is about the time the second novel is set.
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So referencing back to paragonwiki, we see that Justin was kept in the dark about everything regarding his father's hero status, until Justin was 18 which would have been 1986. So it looks like BABs worked with Manticore 1 for less than 2 years (1985-1986)
One problem: Page 21 of the TopCow #7 comic shows Justin as a boy, not a teen, arriving on the steps moments after the deaths of his parents.
. . . he was a late bloomer?
A very, very, VERY late bloomer?
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Maybe he was in a Street gang call Regulators at the Age of 12 and maybe he form the Super Group Regulators at the age of 19, I don't no Kids are so freaking smart these days.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
So I was checking something in Paragon Wiki and I happened to see that BABs was born on May 8th, 1960.
He goes on to found the Regulators in 1972, at the ripe old age of 12. Now, I know pre-teens can be smart and societally aware, but surely - even allowing for vagaries of comicbook time and other anomalies created by fiction, that's a tad young? Is this actually correct or is there something missing? Linky: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/In-game_timeline |
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To complicate matters, page 7 of TopCow #8 has Justin admiting that after the death of his parents he was trouble at age 15 and the nanny had to call in BABs to be a drill seargent. So the comics have Justin as a boy at his parents death, and a 15-year old later, which would have been 1983 according to his birthdate on the calendar, two years before BABs had his first case with Manticore 1.
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Originally Posted by VileTerror
. . . he was a late bloomer?
A very, very, VERY late bloomer? |
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Heh, 1972 is hardly "these days". |
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I'm the same age as BAB! Huh.
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Was it legally sanctioned? I didn't know that. Of course, BaB could have lied about his age. Size is often equated with age, and someone as big as he is would have a fairly easy time passing as older. I know I always did. Plus, there are lots of real-world examples of people lying about their ages to do things. Laurence Fishburne (best known as Morpheus in The Matrix and is now on CSI) lied about his age to get cast in Apocalypse Now -- he was 14 at the time. Audie Murphy, the WW II hero soldier, lied about his age to get into the Army.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Uh... height/weight/size does not have anything to do with the legalities of letting a TWELVE YEAR OLD found a city-sanctioned supergroup that has almost as much power/autonomy as the Freedom Phalanx, and arguably as much power/autonomy as the military.
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I'm just saying that this one is somewhat easier to explain away than other inconsistencies in the canon.
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So I was checking something in Paragon Wiki and I happened to see that BABs was born on May 8th, 1960.
He goes on to found the Regulators in 1972, at the ripe old age of 12.
Now, I know pre-teens can be smart and societally aware, but surely - even allowing for vagaries of comicbook time and other anomalies created by fiction, that's a tad young?
Is this actually correct or is there something missing?
Linky: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/In-game_timeline
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