Lost - SERIES FINALE! - 5/23/10
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Posted on: 2010-05-23 05:14 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Just watched the last 20 minutes (after I saw BBMs post) and was making it through fine. I thought, "Ok, not going to get to me this time" Then Jack walks into the chapel and it flashes to him in the bamboo field bleeding and walking to his final resting place.
And I teared up. Damn you Lost! Damn you!
Really watch Kate in the last 20 minutes next time you watch this. What a subtle performance of someone who knows what is going on, but handles the situation carefully so as not to startle Jack. It's also interesting she goes into the church in her concert "little black dress" but is wearing different clothes (more Kate-like clothes) in the chapel.
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You did see their lives after the Island. That was the whole point of the flash-forwards. Their lives sucked and they all had a reason to go back to the Island, or never wanted to leave in the first place, like Locke or Sawyer.| I wanted to see their LIVES after the island, and all the drama that unfolded at that time. |
Being on the Island was the point of the entire series, which you seemed to have missed. As Christian said at the very end to Jack, the most important thing that happened to everyone happened on that Island.
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Except for Kate's "awakening" face, I thought Evie Lilly really hit it out of the ballpark in this episode.|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Really watch Kate in the last 20 minutes next time you watch this. What a subtle performance of someone who knows what is going on, but handles the situation carefully so as not to startle Jack. It's also interesting she goes into the church in her concert "little black dress" but is wearing different clothes (more Kate-like clothes) in the chapel.
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Going from skeptical with Desmond to enlightened with Jack, it was a fine piece of work in the sideways. And on the Island, we finally got kick-*** Kate back.
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Yanno, we just disagree. Yes the island happened to them. And? Some of them GOT OFF the island. So what then? Their lives were pointless? They never fell inlove again? They couldnt move on? How was Hugo as the #1? What happened for his turn? |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
You did see their lives after the Island. That was the whole point of the flash-forwards. Their lives sucked and they all had a reason to go back to the Island, or never wanted to leave in the first place, like Locke or Sawyer.
Being on the Island was the point of the entire series, which you seemed to have missed. As Christian said at the very end to Jack, the most important thing that happened to everyone happened on that Island. |
You liked it I didnt. move on.
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No, but the rest of their lives weren't as important.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Yanno, we just disagree. Yes the island happened to them. And? Some of them GOT OFF the island. So what then? Their lives were pointless?
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Either to them, or to the story.
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How did you feel at the end of Titanic, when Rose died and she returned to Jack and the rest of the Titanic crew and passengers? Even though she had grandkids and was apparently married for a long time?
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Yanno, we just disagree. Yes the island happened to them. And? Some of them GOT OFF the island. So what then? Their lives were pointless? They never fell inlove again? They couldnt move on? How was Hugo as the #1? What happened for his turn?
You liked it I didnt. move on. |
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Also, I don't think Christian Shephard saying their time on the Island was the most important time in their lives means all the time after is pointless. Claire and Kate are still going to raise Aaron. But...
...it is Claire and Kate's time on the Island that made them want to raise Aaron. Claire was ready to give up her baby for adoption until she crashed on the Island. She was able to form a bond with her son because of that.
Kate formed a bond with Claire and was able to become a mother (in the mental sense) because she took Aaron when Claire was led astray. And because she came back to the Island, she was able to convince Claire to resume her motherhood.
They might have done great things, regarding Aaron, afterwards, but they only were able to because of their time on the Island.
Additionally, Claire fell in love with Charlie, who had his own struggles, but in the end, gave his life to save her and Aaron. Even before his death, he risked his life to save Turniphead. She might fall in love again, get married, but it wouldn't be the same sort of love. That doesn't invalidate her future husband, it is just a different sort of situation.
Kate, too. With Jack, she found someone who loved her and was able to risk his life for her, despite her past. Kate and Sawyer all have criminal pasts. Yes, they might find love in the real world, but they have that hanging over their heads. With Jack/Juliet, they found partners who truly did not care about that. As Jack said in Tabula Rasa, the second episode of the series, on the Island, the past does not matter. In a way, Kate/Jack and Sawyer/Juliet represented pure, innocent love. And that is very intense.
Sawyer's time on the Island resulted in his growth and maturity. He became a leader. He also learned, in the final season, to defer to other people in accepting Jack's final plan. He had the most character growth on the show, so of course, while he might do great things off Island, it is only because he spent time on the Island, interacting with Jack, interacting with Juliet, interacting with Sun and Jin and Hurley.
So Claire, Kate, and Sawyer may do very important things in their future, but who they are in that future is not the same as who they were before they go to the Island. And they recognize that. The Island made them confront their flaws. They became better people. I would say the most important time in one's life is not the time they do great things, but the time they decided to do great things. The fire only gets started when a spark is provided.
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I know i usualy disagree with PP but she does have the right to her opinion. And just cause some disagree doesn't mean they "got' the show any better than she did. You've made your counter argument, let it drop please.
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Wait a second are you trying to say?| The fire only gets started when a spark is provided. |
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Huh. Sounds like the show got a lot better after I left.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Well most of the answer would only mean anything if you've watched the seasons that you haven't watched. And kitsune's answer was a bit tounge and cheek....there is a single answer but much like an onion there are layers to it.
Short answer: The smoke monster is the Man in Black (introduced season 5) Longer answer: Jacob and MiB were born on the island thousands of years ago after their pregnant mother washed up on the island. Their mother was rescued by a lone woman (Mother- Allison Janney) who helped her with her labor and subsequently killed her after giving birth and raised the boys for her own. Mother raised them very strict telling them there was no other world besides the island. When they found there were other people on the island she forbade them to interact with the other people. The boys only activity was playing a "chess like" game with black and white rocks. MiB defied her and went to live with them, leaving Mother no choice but to eventually give shepherdship of the island over to Jacob and the job to protect the "Light of the Island" a hidden cave with a golden glow and mysterious properties. She eventually goes over and slaughters all of the other people, to which MiB kills her in retaliation. Jacob in despair throws MiB into the cave with the "Light of the Island" which immediately expels Smokie and the dead body of MiB. He then buries Mother and MiB in the cave (Adam and Eve from an early season episode) with his game pieces. Later it is seen that "Smokie" is in the form of MiB and seems to have memories and follow the rules that Mother laid out. One of which is that they can never harm each other. Whether Smokie is either the soul of MiB (or somehow the MiB himself), pure evil taking the form of the MiB, or even Jacobs guilt manefested or some combination of the those leads to the "3 possibility theory". Smokie has also shown to take the form of other dead people: Christian Shepherd (on the island from Season 1 on) and John Locke (Season 5 on) are two important examples. It was shown that over the years Jacob and MiB kind of played a real world version of their game with people. They both had fundamental differences in how they viewed people and how they approached "the game". Jacob for one chose not to interact directly with people's decisions. Kind of a fate v. free will thing. (But that is a very simplistic explanation) Hope that helps. |
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Ah, but on the other hand, I think it is healthy to at least discuss it. Me, personally, I like hearing her opinion (a not so glowing one) on it and have a conversation. It is good to get a wide range of opinions. It helps me organize my own thoughts. If that comes across as attacking her, I apologize.|
Originally Posted by ObiWan
I know i usualy disagree with PP but she does have the right to her opinion. And just cause some disagree doesn't mean they "got' the show any better than she did. You've made your counter argument, let it drop please.
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Especially for Lost, a show that is open to many interpretations. So, yes, while some may say one did not "get it," everyone is right in their view. But going back and forth saying "Oh, did you catch this?" or "This is what Lost is saying, in my opinion" may get both sides to open their own interpretations to things they previously shrugged off.
I think we can all agree that the finale made us all cry. Some in frustration, some in sadness
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Nope. |
Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
I think we can all agree that the finale made us all cry. Some in frustration, some in sadness
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Valid point BBM, but i was more referring to the last post that you quoted PP in. She'd made it pretty obivious she was done with the healthy discussion part and your post seemed to be moving into a trolling part. Just saying cause you are usually one of the more conscientious poster. But whatever, i'm done playing forum police, we return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
Ah, but on the other hand, I think it is healthy to at least discuss it. Me, personally, I like hearing her opinion (a not so glowing one) on it and have a conversation. It is good to get a wide range of opinions. It helps me organize my own thoughts. If that comes across as attacking her, I apologize.
Especially for Lost, a show that is open to many interpretations. So, yes, while some may say one did not "get it," everyone is right in their view. But going back and forth saying "Oh, did you catch this?" or "This is what Lost is saying, in my opinion" may get both sides to open their own interpretations to things they previously shrugged off. I think we can all agree that the finale made us all cry. Some in frustration, some in sadness |
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I highly recommend you take a look at the series as a whole sometime. Maybe find a friend that buys the box set in August.|
Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Huh. Sounds like the show got a lot better after I left.
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But a brief history- the show really started to lag during season 3 and there were quite a few people that jumped ship.....or "island" during that time. There were even many here in this thread that spoke of how the quality of the show had dropped. Then right around that same time the producers decided to put an "end date" on the show. Once they did this the episodes and story really became focused and the quality was great the last third of the 3rd season. (The season 3 finale Through the Looking Glass is still my favorite episode of the series) (Yeah, I said it again)
Season 3.5 and on were great because you could really feel they (writers/producers) were working towards something.
*** HULU still has all episodes up.....I highly recommend starting over at the beginning and giving the show another go.
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You're mad because... you didn't... get to see... more...|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Yanno, we just disagree. Yes the island happened to them. And? Some of them GOT OFF the island. So what then? Their lives were pointless? They never fell inlove again? They couldnt move on? How was Hugo as the #1? What happened for his turn?
You liked it I didnt. move on. |
That's kinda the point of ending the show, isn't it? Not getting to see more...
I mean, no matter *where* they decided to end the show... unless it actually ended with us seeing everyones death... there will always be more. Hell, why even stop there? I want to know what their after-life is like. Does Heaven have golden streets? What's God like? Can He tell a good knock-knock joke?
lol, all in play. It's perfectly understandable to hate a show for ending. Oh Dollhouse... we barely knew ye.
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I guess in hindsight, I could have been more polite. Thanks for the heads up |
Originally Posted by ObiWan
Valid point BBM, but i was more referring to the last post that you quoted PP in. She'd made it pretty obivious she was done with the healthy discussion part and your post seemed to be moving into a trolling part. Just saying cause you are usually one of the more conscientious poster. But whatever, i'm done playing forum police, we return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
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Damn that complete series set looks nice. Not $235 worth of nice but I would love to have it.
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If this is what you were hoping for from the last few episodes, then I don't think there would have been any way to please you. Lost isn't the show to rush through story without setting up plausibility. If you wanted to see their whole life story after the island, that would have taken at least another season to talk about.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
They never fell inlove again? They couldnt move on? How was Hugo as the #1? What happened for his turn?
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But then what? Would you be happy with that? Let's say you see the rest of their lives, as boring as that would start to be, would that really be enough? Then you'd want to know what happened with all the people they met and who impacted their lives after the island. But then it would stop being the show it was. Their lives after the island has no real connection to the rest of the show.
Asking for what you want sounds too much like people who want the level cap raised in the game. Would that really solve the problem they had?
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That's exactly what I said!!
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Wait a second are you trying to say?
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On the subject of fires and what starts them, I am very tempted to write a parody of "We Didn't Start The Fire" that outlines the history of the Island/Losties.
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Caught the replay of the Aloha To Lost Jimmy Kimmel show yesterday. It was pretty good for what it was. I found it interesting that so many of them hadn't seen the finale until that night, and Naveen Andrews admitted that he didn't really watch the series at all, outside of the pilot. So here's a question to ponder:
If you put your heart and soul into a project, whether it be making a TV show/movie, or creating a video game, etc, wouldn't you take the time to watch/play it when it's done? I suppose for some actors they wouldn't enjoy watching the finished episodes because they'd spend all their time wishing they'd have done things different or wondering why their epic performance got edited to hell, but I think if I were really invested in a project, I'd want to partake of the finished product, probably with others to get their reactions.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
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Regarding Lost, I know in the first season, they used to go whoever the episode was centered on's house and watch it there.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Caught the replay of the Aloha To Lost Jimmy Kimmel show yesterday. It was pretty good for what it was. I found it interesting that so many of them hadn't seen the finale until that night, and Naveen Andrews admitted that he didn't really watch the series at all, outside of the pilot. So here's a question to ponder:
If you put your heart and soul into a project, whether it be making a TV show/movie, or creating a video game, etc, wouldn't you take the time to watch/play it when it's done? I suppose for some actors they wouldn't enjoy watching the finished episodes because they'd spend all their time wishing they'd have done things different or wondering why their epic performance got edited to hell, but I think if I were really invested in a project, I'd want to partake of the finished product, probably with others to get their reactions. |
However, I can see how some may not want to watch themselves out of self-doubts and maybe even something similar to what Michael Giacchino said about getting the script before hand. Giacchino did not write/record his music knowing what will be coming, for fear out of spoiling a twist by use of the characters' themes. He would literally watch the episode in bits and pieces and score appropriately. I can see some actors not wanting to know what is happening away from their characters, for fear of knowing what Ben and Juliet are up to half way cross the Island coloring their own performances.
That being said, I am sure Jorge Garcia watches the show and I bet a few others watch a handful of episodes each season as well. Naveen would seem to be from the old school of acting, where you keep your head down and keep doing what you think is natural, don't try to adjust, until someone else says differently. One can also say there wasn't really a finished product until the show was over.
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Hmmm, one thing I would like to have seen, rewatching the finale, is that the light at the end should ahve had a more yellow tint, to reflect the light of the Island.
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