Lost - SERIES FINALE! - 5/23/10


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I thought the last episode(s) sucked. The last 3 or so were just sub-par to the rest of the series.

The last episode seemed like scraps just thrown together while someone had to go poo... and needed to hurry it up.

I understood everything, but was greatly disappointed.

The best moments of the final episode were when the lovers found each other.

The whole death thing just pissed me off. What a stupid way to end it. Just stupid.
Once again you fail. Just admit you didn't like the show and get on with it. You missed the entire point of the whole series if you thought the last few shows sucked.


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Once again you fail. Just admit you didn't like the show and get on with it. You missed the entire point of the whole series if you thought the last few shows sucked.
No. I enjoyed the entire series up until the last few episodes... because they sucked.

Had I NOT enjoyed the show I wouldn't have wasted my time watching it.

/duh

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Just a reminder: The finale and Jimmy Kimmel's Special reairs tonight on ABC, starting at 8 PM.

While I watch the finale a third time in a week? Possibly.


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I thought the last episode(s) sucked. The last 3 or so were just sub-par to the rest of the series.

The last episode seemed like scraps just thrown together while someone had to go poo... and needed to hurry it up.

I understood everything, but was greatly disappointed.

The best moments of the final episode were when the lovers found each other.

The whole death thing just pissed me off. What a stupid way to end it. Just stupid.
I'm curious as to why you thought they sucked. That is... assuming you have a reason and it's not just a by-the-gut "I didn't like it because I just didn't" kind of thing.


 

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The only thing about the flash sideways I kinda didn't like is I don't think it will help illuminate anything when someone watches Season 1-5 again. Unlike previous flashes, it doesn't really tie into the main story.

Now, that would be the case even if it was a more straightforward epilogue as well. However, it does now cry out for a rewatch of Season 6, based on what we know now. And I think, in time, more people who come to accept the flash sideways as it own separate story, one that you can easily ignore, if you wish.


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No. I enjoyed the entire series up until the last few episodes... because they sucked.

Had I NOT enjoyed the show I wouldn't have wasted my time watching it.

/duh

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I personally thought the last episodes merged perfectly with the whole Lost mythology and tied it up exactly as it should be.

If you want to talk about a series finale that sucked so badly that it made black holes look amature then just look at Battlestar Galactica which went from being about war and peace with machinery and bio machinery to suddenly being about God directly interfering and sending angels to save people and deliver them to the promised land. A literal deus ex machina.


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I'm curious as to why you thought they sucked. That is... assuming you have a reason and it's not just a by-the-gut "I didn't like it because I just didn't" kind of thing.
In January-March I watched all the episodes of Lost up to the current season episodes at that time. I hadn't been watching it for years... It is what I chose to watch while my husband raided in a different game. So, I got into it pretty deep, was awesome. I loved how they wrote the characters to interact with one another. I loved the mini love stories that unfolded, and well as the drama between the characters... all the while thoe I disliked Kate. Something about her character just irked the Hell out of me.

While watching this season, "The Final Season"... for me the whole season just didnt really mesh with the previous seasons. Nothing was fitting together, honestly they didn't seem to be written on the same scale as the previous 5 seasons. Really Season 1-4 were the best.

The last 3 episodes of Lost felt really disjointed, like "Hey we better throw this abstract stuff in befor we end it." The episode explaining Jacob and Samuel... (his brothers name) Did Not Fit. It was like something that should have been in a previous episode as an after thought/daydream. It didn't need a full episode... it could have been 20 minutes of a different episode...

When Jin and Sun died... It, for me, was a sign... They were an epic love story and it got ended in 5 seconds? Wth? Really... All that build up for nothing? That was a wasted storyline - imo.

To me it didnt matter that some of the bits from the story were unexplained... Not everything needs an explanation. You can easily use your imagination, and fill in the blanks. But?! When it comes right down to it... That final episode had so much potential... and it just didn't do it for me.

They could have easily explained so much more instead of taking the easy way out and saying everyone was dead. F that. I wanted to see their LIVES after the island, and all the drama that unfolded at that time... I didnt want to hear, "Oh they lived on but we are gonna wait for the movie to show you that stuff". Which is what it seems like to me. The sideways universe should have been death/heaven... while the real reality should have been them living on.


 

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I cried when James and Juliet were reunited. That could have been the whole entire final episode and I would have been happier.


 

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They could have easily explained so much more instead of taking the easy way out and saying everyone was dead. F that. I wanted to see their LIVES after the island, and all the drama that unfolded at that time... I didnt want to hear, "Oh they lived on but we are gonna wait for the movie to show you that stuff". Which is what it seems like to me.

They have said they have no plans for anything else Lost related.

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The sideways universe should have been death/heaven... while the real reality should have been them living on.
Either you completely missed something or you aren't getting your point across clearly.

(Not flaming; just confuzzled by that statement)


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I think "Across The Sea" will play better when it is watched coupled with "What They Died For" back to back on the DVD. Jacob's speech at the end of WTDF is much more powerful if you just watched his own struggles a few minutes before. And that is what ATS was supposed to show: the "God" of The Island was just a man, caught up in his own problems and faults.

I also think ATS perfectly encapsulates the problem with getting answers. Since Lost has always been framed as a "Characters against the backdrop of mysteries," we were never going to get a straight up Island history episode. Even when we learned about Rousseau's team in S5, it was through the eyes of Jin. So, to learn about the source of power of the Island, it was going to have to be against the backdrop of Jacob and Samuel. And since Lost has always been big in biblical allegories, of course they were going to be brothers who bickered and where one was favored over the other.

Now, ATS had some noticeable problems: some of the dialogue was painful and I think they stuck with J and S being kids for too long. But I think the overall theme and gist of the episode was typical Lost.

As far as the Sun/Jin reunion? Yes, too brief. But they had so many reunions over the years, it wasn't like we have never seen them reunite before. And, despite people's complaint re: Ji Yeon, I think their last "living" scene together was nicely done.


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They have said they have no plans for anything else Lost related.
Actually they have said that in the complete series box set there will be an additional 30 minutes in the final episode. An interview type thing where they explain the answers that they were planning on revealing but couldn't fit in. And an additional short feature (14 minutes was the time given) showing Hurley and Ben doing their #1 and #2 routine that happened between Jack's death and the reunion in the afterlife.



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Either you completely missed something or you aren't getting your point across clearly.

(Not flaming; just confuzzled by that statement)
Agree with the confusion here. Since the island stuff was reality and some were shown to live on while some were shown to die. And especially since the flash sideways was revealed to be death/the afterlife.


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I meant future future stuff i.e. spinoffs or movies. The DVD stuff is already done/planned.


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Actually they have said that in the complete series box set there will be an additional 30 minutes in the final episode. An interview type thing where they explain the answers that they were planning on revealing but couldn't fit in. And an additional short feature (14 minutes was the time given) showing Hurley and Ben doing their #1 and #2 routine that happened between Jack's death and the reunion in the afterlife.
True.

But there won't be anymore seperate entertainment concerning Lost with Team Darlton at the helm. So, they are planning no spin-offs or big movie adaptations. The extra stuff on the DVD is just that: extra stuff, not an extension of the brand.

However, they have admitted that they don't own the rights to Lost and recognize it is a big money maker for ABC, so they wouldn't be surprised if ABC continues the brand in some way.


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I certainly hope that there is nothing more. This is a series that really did tie up what it needed to and there is no reason to continue.

Although I do know what they could do.

Claire of course raises Aaron. Kate tells Sun's mother of the couples fate. When mom dies it turns out she has named Kate as the legal guardian of Ji Yeon. Ji Yeon and Aaron grow up together, fall in love, marry, and decide together to find the island. They go there, do some time leaping, and eventually become the replacements for Hurley and Ben.

Don't blame me if ABC decides to do this. I just realized it's one possible way to revisit the island with known characters.


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I certainly hope that there is nothing more. This is a series that really did tie up what it needed to and there is no reason to continue.

Although I do know what they could do.

Claire of course raises Aaron. Kate tells Sun's mother of the couples fate. When mom dies it turns out she has named Kate as the legal guardian of Ji Yeon. Ji Yeon and Aaron grow up together, fall in love, marry, and decide together to find the island. They go there, do some time leaping, and eventually become the replacements for Hurley and Ben.

Don't blame me if ABC decides to do this. I just realized it's one possible way to revisit the island with known characters.
Actually, I have an idea for Lost: The Next Generation. It would take place twenty years after the original (and actually be made 20 years from now). If you allow me to indulge myself:

The pilot would center on a thirtysomething, married Walt (Malcolm David Kelly comes back). He has been having dreams of his father calling out to him. He decides to go back to the Island to find his father. He takes along his wife as they join the relaunch of...The Dharma Initiative. He joins DI because he remembers what he saw on the Island.

In the new DI it is the work of grad students at UCLA after the DeGroots were kicked out of U of Michigan. Chief among the new crew going to the Island is Aaron Austen-Littleton. At this point, Kate and/or Claire is dead, as I doubt they would allow Aaron to join. Could be a rebellion thing. He doesn't remember anything about the Island, naturally, and he doesn't really know anything about Kate and Claire's experience there. He is as wily as Kate, but is smart.

Elsewhere, Ji Yeon Kwon has finally inherited Paik Industries through the trust fund set up by Sun before she left to go back to the Island. She is a bit of a ruthless business woman. She has a bit of a love/hate rivarly with another young up and comer: Charlie Hume, who helps run Widmore Industries. They see each other a lot, as Paik and Widmore Industries have a long history of working together. In an attempt to get away from the pressures of their every day lives, Ji Yeon and Charlie decide to what rich folk do and sail across the Pacific in Charlie's dad's yacht: The Elizabeth. Of course, they crash onto the Island (paralleling Desmond's arrival).

So you have the kids coming back as adults, with Walt only really knowing what is going on. I think the major plot points should be Walt, his specialness and visions drawing him back to the Island. Ji Yeon and Charlie Hume are basically the only heirs left to their family's business (Ji Yeon much more so, since Sun bought controlling interest in Paik Industries before she died) with Widmore Industries basically being a tool of Charles Widmore to return to the Island for a long time.

The thing is, I think the key would be having the offspring of the Losties be more at peace (save for Walt) with their lives than their parents. You wouldn't want to repeat yourself with having them be as obviously flawed. And you would have to have as big a cast as the original Lost, because the main focus shouldn't only be the offspring. Mix in some other folk to round it out.


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Pardon if I am _the last person_ to discover/read about this, but back to the numbers thing: 4 8 15 16 23 42, the Tamam Shud mystery, first article?

Maybe the brains behind LOST thought it would be neat/funny/annoying to those of us who want to piece together the mysteries/etc to use that sequence of numbers, then later call it part of the Valenzetti Equasion?

Also, damn you cracked, I have been reading your stuff for two hours now. This is why I prefer to spend large amounts of time in art programs, rather than surfing the web. :รพ


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I stopped watching this early in the second season, so I have no idea what the story was like at the end. I just want to know one thing. What was the smoke monster?

If there is a complete and total answer to that, I'll be happy.



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Pardon if I am _the last person_ to discover/read about this, but back to the numbers thing: 4 8 15 16 23 42, the Tamam Shud mystery, first article?
The Numbers have nothing to do the the Somerton Man mystery. Despite their placement in the Cracked article, the Numbers are not related to the secret code the Somerton Man left behind, his code consisted entirely of letters. The Cracked article just put the Numbers there for dramatic effect.


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"What was the smoke monster?
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What if I told you there were at least 3, possibly conflicting, complete and total answers to that?


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The Numbers have nothing to do the the Somerton Man mystery. Despite their placement in the Cracked article, the Numbers are not related to the secret code the Somerton Man left behind, his code consisted entirely of letters. The Cracked article just put the Numbers there for dramatic effect.
Well. Color me stupid.


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"What was the smoke monster?
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What if I told you there were at least 3, possibly conflicting, complete and total answers to that?
I would ask for all three before passing judgement.



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Well most of the answer would only mean anything if you've watched the seasons that you haven't watched. And kitsune's answer was a bit tounge and cheek....there is a single answer but much like an onion there are layers to it.

Short answer: The smoke monster is the Man in Black (introduced season 5)

Longer answer: Jacob and MiB were born on the island thousands of years ago after their pregnant mother washed up on the island. Their mother was rescued by a lone woman (Mother- Allison Janney) who helped her with her labor and subsequently killed her after giving birth and raised the boys for her own. Mother raised them very strict telling them there was no other world besides the island. When they found there were other people on the island she forbade them to interact with the other people. The boys only activity was playing a "chess like" game with black and white rocks. MiB defied her and went to live with them, leaving Mother no choice but to eventually give shepherdship of the island over to Jacob and the job to protect the "Light of the Island" a hidden cave with a golden glow and mysterious properties. She eventually goes over and slaughters all of the other people, to which MiB kills her in retaliation. Jacob in despair throws MiB into the cave with the "Light of the Island" which immediately expels Smokie and the dead body of MiB. He then buries Mother and MiB in the cave (Adam and Eve from an early season episode) with his game pieces. Later it is seen that "Smokie" is in the form of MiB and seems to have memories and follow the rules that Mother laid out. One of which is that they can never harm each other. Whether Smokie is either the soul of MiB (or somehow the MiB himself), pure evil taking the form of the MiB, or even Jacobs guilt manefested or some combination of the those leads to the "3 possibility theory". Smokie has also shown to take the form of other dead people: Christian Shepherd (on the island from Season 1 on) and John Locke (Season 5 on) are two important examples. It was shown that over the years Jacob and MiB kind of played a real world version of their game with people. They both had fundamental differences in how they viewed people and how they approached "the game". Jacob for one chose not to interact directly with people's decisions. Kind of a fate v. free will thing. (But that is a very simplistic explanation)

Hope that helps.


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Or, in another simplistic way, Smokey was the Devil Manipulator of the Island.


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So I just got home from a friend's and turned on the reairing of the finale. So it is an enhanced rerun. Anything interesting pop up?


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