Lost - SERIES FINALE! - 5/23/10
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Posted on: 2010-05-23 05:14 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
I hope one of the deleted scenes in the S6 DVD is how Boone got awakened. I thought I read that he was supposed to appear in 3 episodes, but he only appeared in 2, so I am wondering if something got cut (and who or what awakened him).
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I would almost think Locke...but it could have been Shannon.
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Damn allergies, I lost count of how many times I cried during the show! Went through 10 tissues.
Yeah, it must have been the allergies. And dust getting into my eyes. Oh, and the bright lights too.
Loved the last episode and the music they used was timed for maximum tearjerking.
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I was thinking Locke too, but it would have to be Locke unknowingly doing it and sometime after Oceanic 815 landing, because I can't see Boone meeting Locke any time other than right after that (unless he went to the High School for some reason).|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I would almost think Locke...but it could have been Shannon.
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Can't be Shannon, because it was implied in the finale that Boone sent for her, from Australia, only after he was awakened.
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Good point. Could have been a near deather from Desmond as well.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
Can't be Shannon, because it was implied in the finale that Boone sent for her, from Australia, only after he was awakened.
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My new favorite theory is that he ran into Jack and asked him about pens (see: The Pilot) |
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Good point. Could have been a near deather from Desmond as well.
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Gawd, I just hope it wasn't from doing the dibbity with his sister in the after-life. I don't care if its not a blood relation.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
My new favorite theory is that he ran into Jack and asked him about pens (see: The Pilot)
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Quick question: In reviews and talks of "Across the Sea," I notice a lot of people placing the time of the story as roughly 2000 years ago. Where is this info coming from? Because I didn't notice it in the show.
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They were speaking Latin in the beginning, so it wasn't quite a dead language yet. And I think Mother's wardrobe is toga-esque, though she could be going to a kegger.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Quick question: In reviews and talks of "Across the Sea," I notice a lot of people placing the time of the story as roughly 2000 years ago. Where is this info coming from? Because I didn't notice it in the show.
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Gator!!!
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Just off the top of my head (and no, I don't need to have any of these answered, or even have a desire for the creators to explain them at some point):|
Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Is there a list somewhere of the island mysteries that were deliberately left as island mysteries (and aren't mistakes/bloopers)? Or is that all still being pieced together?
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Island Lore
1. What is the nature of The Light/The Heart of the Island? What would happen to the world if it's left off for good?
2. Who created the mechanism for keeping The Light on? Are they the same people who built other ancient structures on the Island, such as The Statue and The Temple?
3. Who was the first Guardian? How many have there been? How is it passed down? Why can there only be one?
4. Where did Mother come from? How did she make it so Jacob and the MIB couldn't kill each other? Or did she just tell that to the boys to make them believe that they couldn't kill each other (as it seems Jacob did actually kill the MIB)?
5. What exactly happened to the MIB when he went to The Light? What really is the Smoke Monster? Is the Smoke Monster something that was already in the cave and was unleashed, or did the MIB turn into the Smoke Monster after he went in the cave?
6. Who built The Lighthouse, and how did it work?
7. How literally should we take Jacob's explaination to Richard that the Island was like a cork keeping Hell from seeping into reality?
8. Does The Light create the electromagnetic properties of the Island? Is it simply a bi-product or is it a deliberate defense mechanism?
9. According to Ghost Michael, the Whispers were ghosts on the island that couldn't move on. How many Island Manifestations were ghosts rather than Smoke Monster appearances? What about the off-island manifestations (Christian appearing to Jack, Claire appearing to Kate, Libby appearing to Michael, everyone appearing to Hurley)?
10. Was the manifestation of Jacob and the MIB's real mom a ghost or something else?
11. Who installed the donkey wheel, and how does that "move" the Island?
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Jacob and Smokey Questions
1. How does Jacob keep the MIB from killing Candidates?
2. Why did he keep his list on the cave wall?
3. How did he appear off-Island?
4. Does he just need to touch someone to grant them immortality, or does he need intent?
5. How much interaction did he have with Richard? How much did he have to do with how The Others went about their business?
6. How did he invest Dogun with the power to keep the MIB out of The Temple as long as he was alive?
7. The healing pool in The Temple -- how does it work, why did it get cloudy after Jacob's death, and how did it recover Sayid anyway?
8. How does the MIB "claim" someone? Do they have to die first (like Sayid)? How much power does he hold over them? Is it really just a mind trick that someone can just shake off, or does it really alter their moral compass?
Plot Points
1. Did Jacob order the Purge? If so, why?
2. Why and how did Eloise Hawking leave the Island? Was Daniel born on the Island, or off? How did she meet Desmond in the past as he was jumping through time?
3. How much did Dharma know about the past of the Island? Why did the build the Swan timer to flip to Egyptian symbols if the button wasn't pushed?
4. What was the nature of The Pearl? Was it really a psychological experiment on the Swan inhabitants? If pushing the button was as important as it was, why did Dharma screw around with it so much?
5. Why did Pierre Chang use assumed names (Marvin Candle, etc.) when making the orientation films?
6. Seriously... what's the deal with The Numbers? Is it really as simple as "Jacob likes numbers"?
7. How did Ben know so much, and so little, about the Island.
8. Who or what was in "Jacob's Cabin"? Was the ash circle designed to keep Smokey out or in?
9. How did the off-Island branch of The Others (The Other Others?) come about -- that is, Illana's group?
10. Why were The Others so ******-baggy towards the crash survivors anyway?
11. What was Charles Widmore's motivations? In... well, anything he did?
12. Was Desmond born with electromagnetic resistance, or was it a side-effect of his exposure to it after the Swan hatch implosion?
13. Why were Desmond's visions so Charlie-centric?
14. What was Walt's special gift, why did the Others want him, and why did they give him up so easily?
15. Did "Henry Gale" mistakenly fall into Rousseau's trap, or did he intentionally do it to get Jack, Kate, and Sawyer to fall into the eventual trap?
16. At what point did MIB decide that Locke would be the mechanism he'd use to con Ben into killing Jacob for him? How much of Locke's actions were orchestrated by the MIB?
17. When Locke first encounters the Smoke Monster, he described it to Jack as "a beautiful light". Say what?
18. Could Jacob really see the future, or was he just really, really, really, really good at figuring out probabilities? (see: Others building the runway on Hydra Island in 2004 for the Aljera crash/landing in 2007.)
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I believe the script or show notes stated that it takes place in 44AD or something, but didn't actually make it into the show.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Quick question: In reviews and talks of "Across the Sea," I notice a lot of people placing the time of the story as roughly 2000 years ago. Where is this info coming from? Because I didn't notice it in the show.
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It also had MiB's real name: Samuel
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Originally Posted by Zikar
I believe the script or show notes stated that it takes place in 44AD or something, but didn't actually make it into the show.
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The Pearl was the psychological experiment.|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
4. What was the nature of The Pearl? Was it really a psychological experiment on the Swan inhabitants? If pushing the button was as important as it was, why did Dharma screw around with it so much?
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Two reasons: one, Sawyer, Jack, Kate and Michael saw the tube where the journals were placed led nowhere, dumping the observations of the Pearlites in the middle of the jungle.
Also, the TV screens viewed stations other than the Swan. The Flame (and Patchy), for example.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
12. Was Desmond born with electromagnetic resistance, or was it a side-effect of his exposure to it after the Swan hatch implosion?
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
14. What was Walt's special gift, why did the Others want him, and why did they give him up so easily? |
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Since you're asking seriously... they're variables in a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. Seriously:|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
6. Seriously... what's the deal with The Numbers? Is it really as simple as "Jacob likes numbers"?
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| "Here's the story with numbers. The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe it itself out." |
Though how that ties into Jacob, the Lighthouse and the candidates is another question entirely.
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Right, it apparently was a psychological experiment on the Pearl people rather than the Swan people. But I guess my question is... why did Dharma make it so hard for the Swan inhabitants to succeed? Why leave them in isolation for so long?|
Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
The Pearl was the psychological experiment.
Two reasons: one, Sawyer, Jack, Kate and Michael saw the tube where the journals were placed led nowhere, dumping the observations of the Pearlites in the middle of the jungle. Also, the TV screens viewed stations other than the Swan. The Flame (and Patchy), for example. |
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
I think it was pretty much implied in Desmond's flashbacks pre-"Flashes Before Your Eyes" that he didn't exhibit any special powers pre-Island. Safe to say the explosion did it.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
As per the mobisode (webisode) Room 23, The Others were scared of Walt due to his power to attract birds.
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Yeah, I know the lore about the Valenzetti Equation. Since it was never brought up on the show, I'm ignoring it, or at least mentally back-burnering it.|
Originally Posted by _Echoo_
Since you're asking seriously... they're variables in a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. Seriously:
I've been reading lots of Lostpedia since the show ended. Though how that ties into Jacob, the Lighthouse and the candidates is another question entirely. |
But since you brought it up, let's take it at face value. Now the questions are:
1. Are the numbers the variables in the equation because Jacob used those numbers for Jack, Sayid, Locke, Hugo, and Sun/Jin and those were the most likely of the Candidates to save the world?
2. Did Jacob assume that those 6 were the most likely of the Candidates, and assigned them those numbers because of the Equation?
3. Something else?
My guess is something like: 4. The writers had the Valenzetti Equation in their back pocket and realized that it was a "Midichlorian" thing, so instead of coming up with a better explaination, they changed Hugo's central mystery away from the numbers to the "I see dead people" deal and explained it away with a throwaway line in Season 6.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Just off the top of my head (and no, I don't need to have any of these answered, or even have a desire for the creators to explain them at some point):
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Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
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I think it was either Radzinsky's doing or his punishment. Since he was a huge *** and driver for the Swan Station, he would ge the majority of the blame for The Incident. Remember, he was Kelvin's partner in the Hatch. I can see Dharma throwing their arms up and assigning Radzinsky to the Swan permanently.|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Right, it apparently was a psychological experiment on the Pearl people rather than the Swan people. But I guess my question is... why did Dharma make it so hard for the Swan inhabitants to succeed? Why leave them in isolation for so long?
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Since Radzinsky was paranoid that the Hostiles would find out about the Swan (and it is located in Hostile territory), I can see him demanding that the Swan remains somewhat isolated (though Ben and his dad were on their way to restocking the Station when the Purge happened) and keeping it as low-manned as possible, as there were Dharma traitors.
I don't think it was particularly hard to man (as in the 108 minutes aspect, as that was dictated by nature), it is just that apparently it was two-man operation. Which again, would play into Radzinsky's paranoia.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I was laying in bed last night, just on the edge of falling asleep when I realized MiB was the only one to become Smokey. Based on things established by the show, it makes sense now why only he became the smoke monster. Let's look at the facts:
1. There are skeletons around the light and water at the bottom of the cavern. Based on this, we can logically conclude that being too close to the light means you're toast. It would kill a normal person. 2. Desmond resists electromagnetic anomalies. He's not a normal person. Hence his ability to remove the stone and put out the light. Sure, most experiences leave him with a big headache, sometimes a life threatening nose bleed, and a new found understanding of his life, but other than that, he's hunky-dory. 3. Jack goes into the cave while the light is out, and rekindles it before dying. And lets face it, moving a stone back to a plug hole doesn't make light. Like Springsteen said, "You can't start a fire, you can't start a fire without a spark." I believe the light in Jack (the little bit of light in every man) was what helped bring back the light. So Jack's death, in my belief, was actually from the Light, not the knife wound. After all, on the island, you bounce back from stuff like that. Yes, this might be fan-wanking, but at least I'm building it on established facts from the show.  4. MiB could not be killed by Jacob. It was by Jacob's direct actions that MiB went into the Light. Not being special like Desmond, he should have died. But since Jacob could not be the one to kill MiB, the Light had to do something different to him. Instead it turned him into the smoke monster, and it's implied imparted, him with a part of Itself. There, 4 good facts to show why no one else became Smokey. |
I don't think MiB became the Smoke Monster. I think Smokey was somehow locked in the Cave o' Light, and then when Jacob tossed MiB into the Cave, it somehow released Smokey. But we clearly saw MiB's body separately from Smokey (when Jacob placed MiB and his mother in the Adam-and-Eve cave). For whatever reason, when Smokey needed a human form, he chose MiB's - until Jacob died, then Smokey chose to use Locke's form. We also saw Locke's body separately from Smokey's.
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The only thing with that is from Jacob's speech to the Losties at the end of "What They Died For," Jacob at least thought that Smokey was actually his brother.
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Originally Posted by GATE-keeper
I don't think MiB became the Smoke Monster. I think Smokey was somehow locked in the Cave o' Light, and then when Jacob tossed MiB into the Cave, it somehow released Smokey. But we clearly saw MiB's body separately from Smokey (when Jacob placed MiB and his mother in the Adam-and-Eve cave). For whatever reason, when Smokey needed a human form, he chose MiB's - until Jacob died, then Smokey chose to use Locke's form. We also saw Locke's body separately from Smokey's.
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The other problem is that they both had the same goal, the leave the island. He was also bound by the same rules, like not hurting Jacob.|
Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
The only thing with that is from Jacob's speech to the Losties at the end of "What They Died For," Jacob at least thought that Smokey was actually his brother.
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Not to mention all the other consistent things.
I've been holding out for a complete collection anyway. Can't wait, but it is good to hear it will be included on the season 6 set for those who have bought the previous seasons already.
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