I'd advice Claws or Dark Melee. Both have very good single-target damage attacks with good recharge.
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Which do you think works best with regen's main effect?
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
Which do you think works best with regen's main effect?
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That said, Siphon Life + Regen is pretty sick.
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Claws and Ninja Blade would work well with Regen.
Because they are quick, short recharge moves. You need some quick moves with regen because your survivability is based on how fast you can get to your clickies.
I'm a huge fan of Energy Melee, and EM is really the only thing I plan on using with my Stalkers. So I would recommend trying it out.. But I don't suggest using it with regen. The are very powerful, but very slow in return.
But the main thing is to have fun with your stalker!
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So, the bottomline is, I'd like to ask you which primary set I should choose together with regen, and I'd be glad if you'd give me a gameplay point of view for the combination. I look forward to your response ^^
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I've been playing it again recently, and like it. Currently at level 32. Between Siphon Life and Kuji-In Sha you've got decent healing (and the latter gives a good place to slot a Steadfast: -KB). Smoke Flash is great for placating an entire spawn, allowing you to attack individuals at will without reprisal from the spawn for 15 seconds or so.
It's relatively easy to get positional defense outside of Hide in the high 30s and low 40s for melee and ranged defense with IOs, a little harder for AoE (when Hide is active it's like 70). The down side is that defense debuff resist is only 30%.
Shadow Maul isn't a great area attack power, but with minimal maneuvering you can regularly get 2-3 targets in its cone, and when you're surrounded you can often get 3-4.
I can easily deal with 4 minions and an LT, or two LTs and a minion, or a Boss and a couple of minions/LTs. If you accidentally aggro two spawns Smoke Flash (or the new temp power Stun Grenade) is a great way to get the heat off you.
As always, using purples at the right time is essential for survival. If you use them properly you can fight like a scrapper after your initial attack.
If you like controllers you may like Dark/Ninjitsu.
I'd recommend dark over claws only because you have to redraw every time you use a regen power. Gets annoying. Also, later on if you are building up your defenses, dark melee has -acc built into the attacks which will compliment your efforts there.
Claws is a very fun set, but since you're likely to ditch the character if it doesn't really grab you, I think the redraw might be a turnoff.
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Ninja Blade would be good. Fast animations that won't get in the way of your heal clickies, and Divine Avalanche will give you softcapped Melee/Lethal defense on an otherwise mostly-defenseless secondary. Regeneration is pretty fun with Parry or Divine Avalanche.
There are two things I find go well with regen as a secondary. The first is some kind of defensive support from the primary and the second is a hard hitting attack in addition to AS to use in a placate combo because you generally won't have the def you need to get off a placate + AS (unless you are only dealing with a single target of course). The sets that have the best heavy hitters are:
Broadsword: Disembowel (109 dam), Headsplitter (146 dam but only 50% chance of crit)
Claws: eviscerate (124 damage)
Dark Melee: Midnight grasp (153 damage)
Martial Arts: Eagles Claw (126 damage)
Ninja Blade: Soaring dragon (100 dam), Golden Dragonfly (126 dam but only 50% chance of crit)
Dual blades, electric melee and spines don't really have a good single target heavy hitter and energy melee's two heavy hitters don't get normal crits, on the other hand energy transfer does 246 damage without having to crit so there is a good arguement that you don't even need placate with energy melee.
I think the best attack in the above list is midnight grasp from dark melee - it does as much damage as head splitter but has a full chance to crit, combined with the -to hit in dark melee and the extra heal from siphon life and you have a good set to balance out regen. My first redside 50 was a DM/Regen stalker. Martial arts doesn't have much damage mitigation and claws, ninja blade and broadsword all suffer from redraw when using regen powers. If you can live with the redraw, either of the sword sets would support regen very well - the def from parry/divine avalanche is insanely good.
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I think you misunderstood my request. I was asking for a primary powerset that works well with Regeneration, the secondary powerset.|
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I've only tried a couple of stalkers. I deleted an Energy/Ninjitsu for another alt at about level 20 on my main server, then created a Dark/Ninjitsu on another server where it languished for a year or two.
I've been playing it again recently, and like it. Currently at level 32. Between Siphon Life and Kuji-In Sha you've got decent healing (and the latter gives a good place to slot a Steadfast: -KB). Smoke Flash is great for placating an entire spawn, allowing you to attack individuals at will without reprisal from the spawn for 15 seconds or so. It's relatively easy to get positional defense outside of Hide in the high 30s and low 40s for melee and ranged defense with IOs, a little harder for AoE (when Hide is active it's like 70). The down side is that defense debuff resist is only 30%. Shadow Maul isn't a great area attack power, but with minimal maneuvering you can regularly get 2-3 targets in its cone, and when you're surrounded you can often get 3-4. I can easily deal with 4 minions and an LT, or two LTs and a minion, or a Boss and a couple of minions/LTs. If you accidentally aggro two spawns Smoke Flash (or the new temp power Stun Grenade) is a great way to get the heat off you. As always, using purples at the right time is essential for survival. If you use them properly you can fight like a scrapper after your initial attack. If you like controllers you may like Dark/Ninjitsu. |
And then it seems you guys agree on Dark Melee as a nice combo with Regen, which I have been interested to try out anyway, as my past with stalkers also showed an interesting potential in Dark Melee.
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I'd like to ask you some guys. I've had a few days to plan a concept with DM/Regen, but began to think: Is this powerset combo a potential AV-killer?
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Maybe, if you build for defense. I'd go for a DM/Nin or DM/SR for an AV killer since you softcap, have a heal in nin and DM, and with SR you get siphon life from DM plus 95% DDR and the recharge bonus.
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
I'd like to ask you some guys. I've had a few days to plan a concept with DM/Regen, but began to think: Is this powerset combo a potential AV-killer?
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Ah, but you misunderstand me :P I have decided for DM/Regen, and am going to build a character with it soon. I was just curious as to whether the ability of AV-killing would be able of adding to the character's CV |
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Maybe, if you build for defense. I'd go for a DM/Nin or DM/SR for an AV killer since you softcap, have a heal in nin and DM, and with SR you get siphon life from DM plus 95% DDR and the recharge bonus.
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I do not intend to make a stalker that can solo AV's, I just realised that DM/Regen might be more focusedd on small mobs than larger mobs, which made me wonder if it would even be possible to solo AV's with that set combo
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MoG has been changed to a relatively quick recharging +defense power.
Addin ninja blade and DA would greatly increase your survivability against single hard targets like AVs. Addin +defense to regen's survivability is the way you'd wanna go.
Dm/rgn is gonna be heals heals and more heals.
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The biggest reason DM.Regen would focus on small mobs is the lack of AoE to kill them efficiently. DM is spectacular single-target damage, but it is not ideal for farming. With a debuff and self-heal combined with low resisted damage type it is one of the best primaries for hard targets.
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
Ah, but you misunderstand me :P I have decided for DM/Regen, and am going to build a character with it soon. I was just curious as to whether the ability of AV-killing would be able of adding to the character's CV
I do not intend to make a stalker that can solo AV's, I just realised that DM/Regen might be more focusedd on small mobs than larger mobs, which made me wonder if it would even be possible to solo AV's with that set combo |
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
The biggest reason DM.Regen would focus on small mobs is the lack of AoE to kill them efficiently. DM is spectacular single-target damage, but it is not ideal for farming. With a debuff and self-heal combined with low resisted damage type it is one of the best primaries for hard targets.
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I really like MA because of the knock back and stun aspect to the primary power set. While the bosses are stunned or knocked back it allows for you to regenerate. Furthermore, don't forget to pick Shadow Meld.
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
So is it an AV-killer or not?
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I don't think I'd try for 10 on a stalker due to the lower hit points. But the stalker version of DM can put out substantial damage and certainly enough to take down an AV. Your biggest issue will be that we lost out on DM's endurance recovery power. That will make your build a little tricky for AVs since you'll need to be self-sustaining on endurance while also building defenses from near zero (regen's only protection is hide).
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I'd expect a dm/regen stalker to have some trouble with AVs. A big tray of insp and/or a defense/recharge IO build would tip the scales. The problem wouldn't come from DM, which puts out ST dmg just fine, but /regen combined with stalker's low HP cap.
It could probably happen, but it'd be more of a project than a secondary with naturally softcapped defense.
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Id go claws/regen personally. No redraw and unless I am mistaken lower end costs, which help to counter act the lack of end regen.
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i have a Dual Blade/Ninja stalker its great has good single target and aoe attacks and a nice bag of tricks in the ninja secondary.
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You would have redraw if you did a Claws/Regen. Every time you heal, you would need to redraw your claws.
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Id go claws/regen personally. No redraw and unless I am mistaken lower end costs, which help to counter act the lack of end regen.
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Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
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I have heard of some DM/Regen stalkers soloing AVs. Remember for Regen, go for +recharge bonuses. As a stalker, you can easily cap your HP with just the accolades and a few bonuses. So use DP as a big heal and not for the +HP.
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
I'd like to ask you some guys. I've had a few days to plan a concept with DM/Regen, but began to think: Is this powerset combo a potential AV-killer?
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Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
Hi guys,
I have been trying to think a little more strategic about stalkers, and have decided to try out with a /regen stalker, as I'd like to see how a stalker manages with regen. My problem is, though, that I am uncertain of what primary powerset will fit with regen. So I thought: Why not ask the majority of CoV's stalkers about their thoughts and experiences?
as I mentioned, I really have a problem here. Lemme give you some background info about my stalker experience.
Strongest stalker: Lvl 32, deleted.
Attempts to make a stalker I can keep: 5/6 or so.
Let me say it simple, I don't mind the idea of a stalker, in fact, I like them; I just suffer from a serious case of altitis, which, apparently, is causing me to live shortly with stalkers.
Nonetheless, after having given stalkers a break for quite some time, I'd like to give it one more try!
So, the bottomline is, I'd like to ask you which primary set I should choose together with regen, and I'd be glad if you'd give me a gameplay point of view for the combination. I look forward to your response ^^
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