So....the dumbest powersets in ur opin?
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Posted on: 2010-04-30 18:52 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Oh great- another one of these threads.
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Yaay! Jaded sarcasm lives! Sry if you think I'm trolling, honestly I'm not trying to, I just wanted an honest vet/experienced opinion from the last year of play as to what the weakest powersets are out there today.|
Originally Posted by magikwand
Oh great- another one of these threads.
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Really though, I do have my mains that I play...old school builds (for me, remember I'm just returning) like fire/em blapper, spine/regen scrapper, ice/rad corrupter, my first 50 *tear of remembrance* stone/stone tanker.. and I'm delving into new mains: broad sword/super reflexes for now.
I seem to remember some dominater sets not meshing to well together. The dark powerset left a lot to be desired for defenders way back when also. I think I recall some whining about the traps corrupter vs. devices blaster sets, pvp wise that is... I understand the invention system/recipes can fix a lot...but I'll wager there are still some bad combos out there...challenging to play, and not the most useful team wise.
As with most of us I am an alt player and *occasionally* like trying to build a difficult toon. CoX is my mmo of choice, after much experimentation, so I'm not approaching this question trying to down the game or anything...
If there is just no such thing as a sucky build nowadays, then tell me so...once again I'm just getting back, trying new things, and looking forward to the expansion.
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He doesn't think you're trollin', it's just we've had like two of these exact same threads in the last month.
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Originally Posted by Kryon1z1
Yaay! Jaded sarcasm lives! Sry if you think I'm trolling, honestly I'm not trying to, I just wanted an honest vet/experienced opinion from the last year of play as to what the weakest powersets are out there today.
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Gotta agree with Techbot. Trick Arrow Assault Rifle defender or corruptor (you can do either now, right ?) would be a nice sucky combo, there's nothing inherently bad about either but combining the two would be incredibly tedious (to me, at least).
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Gotta agree with Techbot. Trick Arrow Assault Rifle defender or corruptor (you can do either now, right ?) would be a nice sucky combo, there's nothing inherently bad about either but combining the two would be incredibly tedious (to me, at least).
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This, for the most part. Dominators got a significant tweaking a while back that may have had detrimental effects for some ridiculous, over-the-top, 50 billion inf builds, but overall made them better in most cases, and easier for people new to the AT to use. Likewise, stalkers got a significant buff, making them far more capable of meleeing like a brute or scrapper than they used to.|
Originally Posted by Kryon1z1
If there is just no such thing as a sucky build nowadays, then tell me so...
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Energy Melee got some adjustments to make it so it's not so insanely overpowered. It's still a decent set, however, most of the people who loved the old EM, hate the changes made to Energy Transfer and Total Focus. They were pretty drastic.
Energy Aura and Electric Armor both got buffed. Both play much better with far less work than they used to need.
Blasters got tweaked too. If you've been gone 2 years, you may have already known about that one.
Pretty much everything that's been too strong or too weak has been tweaked. There really isn't anything left in the game that's useless or gimped any more, though there are definitely still things that are better than others.
Most people who seriously want to try the "play a character that sucks" challenge either go with a Toggle Man (character with so many toggles that standing still drains their Endurance Bar in a minute or two) or a Pool Man (Powers from 1-4 taken from Primary and Secondary, Powers from 6 on are taken from Power Pools and Epic Pools only).
@Roderick
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Electric got buffed, Energy got dick teased, it still sucks without heavy IO sets.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Energy Aura and Electric Armor both got buffed. Both play much better with far less work than they used to need. |
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Thanks for the input..ya I won't go the toggle man or pool man route, but I'll check into the defender/corrupter suggestion.
There are no dumb powersets, only dumb players.
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Originally Posted by roderick
most people who seriously want to try the "play a character that sucks" challenge either go with a toggle man (character with so many toggles that standing still drains their endurance bar in a minute or two) or a pool man (powers from 1-4 taken from primary and secondary, powers from 6 on are taken from power pools and epic pools only).
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That was then, when their main protective powers were bugged. At present, Dark Miasma is on the top end of Defender powersets, and generally the Defender powerset of choice for powergamer types who want to do things like solo AV's and TF's, farm, and the like.
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Originally Posted by Kryon1z1
The dark powerset left a lot to be desired for defenders way back when also.
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A no attack "Group-Friendly" Defender is like a "Team Friendly" basketball player who won't dribble, run, or shoot, under any circumstances. "I'm a PASSER."
Elec/Devices blaster be prepared for a long slow climb to 50.
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Shall I start talking about Trick Arrow Corruptors again?
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Originally Posted by Silverado
There are no dumb powersets, only dumb players.
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Here are some of the combos I think would be rough. I suspect they would drive me insane. Its mostly speculative opinion, however.
* Electric / Devices Blaster (I played one of these. Hated it.)
* Gravity/Empathy controller (slow, very low control compared to most)
* Martial Arts / Invulnerability scrapper (single target, klunky)
* Trick Arrow / electric blast defender (redraw, crappy blast set)
* Stone Armor / Dark Melee (single target-ish, seems slow and tedious)
* Assault Rifle / Trick Arrow corruptor (redraw hell)
* Energy/Energy brute (slow single target attacks, mediocre secondary)
* Merc/Poison (weakest primary, secondary challenging esp vs big groups)
* Ice/Energy Dom (AOE control openers unsafe, knock-back poor mix with AA and Ice Slick, power boost only minimally helpful)
* Stalker ... cant comment, hate them generally. I would guess Spines/Energy Armor would be a rough combo.
Again, don't get offended if I listed your favorite combo, or if you know otherwise from personal experience. This is just my gut feeling. I'd certainly be open to being educated.
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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
* Martial Arts / Invulnerability scrapper (single target, klunky)
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My first and only 50 was a MA/Inv and you're totally right.
Is there such a thing as a bad scrapper?
Words to the wise aren't necessary- it's the stupid ones that need them.
"You're right...I forgot...being constantly at or the near the damage cap is a big turn off. Definitely not worth it."
- Vitality
As a slightly fancier way of saying what Silverado said, performance differentials between sets that might have been huge years ago have been smoothed out to a large degree by balance changes over the years.
Nowadays, if you'd like a major challenge you'll need to build below a set's potential or try to do "fish out of water" kinds of things. For example, you could make a challenge for yourself by building a strong single target character and playing that character at x8 players, by building a strong AOE character and setting mobs to +3 or +4 levels higher than that character's level, or by playing a petless mastermind (whips/poison or whips/dark might be FOTM for petless MM players, for a while).
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And yet, they've still never truly balanced pools. I think the real way to challenge yourself is to play a pool character from level 6.
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Originally Posted by ShoeTattoo
As a slightly fancier way of saying what Silverado said, performance differentials between sets that might have been huge years ago have been smoothed out to a large degree by balance changes over the years.
Nowadays, if you'd like a major challenge you'll need to build below a set's potential or try to do "fish out of water" kinds of things. For example, you could make a challenge for yourself by building a strong single target character and playing that character at x8 players, by building a strong AOE character and setting mobs to +3 or +4 levels higher than that character's level, or by playing a petless mastermind (whips/poison or whips/dark might be FOTM for petless MM players, for a while). |
Heya, just coming back after a year or so hiatus and am wondering what the dumbest powers are to take nowadays because I'm a sucker for uhm..trying to do hard things, hero of villian side, doesn't matter. Will I make it to 50? No. Will I get frustrated and delete it before I beat my desk up? Yes. Am I still willing to try? Absolutely. Give me your worst!!! (No I won't Pl it, just play for fun)
Just call me Mr. Optimism Denied.