Discussion: City of Heroes Declare Your Loyalty 6 Year Anniversary Contest!
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Posted on: 2010-04-30 24:36 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Wait, doesn't EVERYBODY spread propaganda via The Television?|
Originally Posted by David Nakayama
Alas, this one's 2D only, I'm afraid. The Loyalist propaganda will be attached to billboards and the Resistance graffiti will be applied to walls--no tv screens.
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Well, everyone except Dr. Aeon of course.
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He's not the Marcus Cole you know. Emperor Cole/Tyrant is in a very gray area morally, and the utopia he's built has come at a very steep cost indeed. Praetoria is not a democracy, and the people are not 'free'. Are they safe? Yes, for now, but Cole rules unilaterally, and some of his iron-handed decisions are very dictatorial. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You're making it sound like Tyrant's some kind of dictator, rather than just a misunderstood hero
 Like I said about the 3D, I'd like to enter, but ti depends on what ready-made 3D elements I can find that'd be suitable for Praetorians. |
The Resistance doesn't call him 'Tyrant' for nothing.
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Is he called Tyrant by the loyal citizens, or just Emperor Cole? Or just Emperor?
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Emperor Cole.|
Originally Posted by MagicFlyingHippy
Is he called Tyrant by the loyal citizens, or just Emperor Cole? Or just Emperor?
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Tyrant is the name the resistance, and the Heroes of Earth Prime use.
However, based on the comics and the "Statesman's Pal" arc I imagine that behind closed doors the Preatorian Marcus Cole embraces the Moniker Tyrant.
I mean his closest Council are Marauder, Mother Mayhem, Dominatrix, Anti-Matter. These are not names that Inspire feelings of Good and wholesome.
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Although, those could just be the names they're called by the Resistance - like Marauder would only ever be called Praetor White by Loyalists, but Marauder by the Resistance.
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Originally Posted by Scootertwo
Emperor Cole.
Tyrant is the name the resistance, and the Heroes of Earth Prime use. However, based on the comics and the "Statesman's Pal" arc I imagine that behind closed doors the Preatorian Marcus Cole embraces the Moniker Tyrant. I mean his closest Council are Marauder, Mother Mayhem, Dominatrix, Anti-Matter. These are not names that Inspire feelings of Good and wholesome. |
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If a citizen called him Tyrant in public, that citizen would be sent to the Behavioral Adjustment Facility, or put into the care of Praetor Tilman's Mother of Mercy Psychiatric Hospital until they were cured of their problem - or if their problem seems incurable, they'd be sent on Extended Leave.
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Originally Posted by MagicFlyingHippy
Is he called Tyrant by the loyal citizens, or just Emperor Cole? Or just Emperor?
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Wait a minute... They're not calling him "Auntie Matter?" Oh! That makes a LOT more sense, and it clears up a nagging question I've had for a long time!
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Originally Posted by Scootertwo
I mean his closest Council are...Anti-Matter.
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And the darkest shade of gray is black |
Originally Posted by David Nakayama
Emperor Cole/Tyrant is in a very gray area morally
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| Praetoria is not a democracy, and the people are not 'free'. Are they safe? Yes, for now, but Cole rules unilaterally, and some of his iron-handed decisions are very dictatorial. |
His "psychiatric institution" leaves prisoners as "shells of their former selves...men and women who no longer remembered their families, loved ones, or even their names. All that was left inside these former patients' thoughts were memories of their time in the Psychiatric Hospital, each one more horrible than the last."
His security forces are equally bad: "when someone speaks out against Emperor Cole or Praetorian matters, the dark side of the PPD emerges, and burly, well-armed officers come into your house in the dead of night and take your loved ones away."
Superpowered people "disappear", and their familes "disappear" too if they start asking questions.
The Powers Divison forces people into service, and only 10% of them survive the indoctrination process - and the Powers Division also kills more people than the PPD, Clockwork, Seers and Praetorian Guard combined.
When the actions of Tyrant and his government reach this level, then the only thing separating him from Recluse is Recluse openly embracing what he's doing as evil, and any talk of "moral grayness" or the "common/greater good" is pointless.
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But he does so while attempting to keep order on a planet that is, by and large a blasted wasteland. Extreme times calls for extreme measures, can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, etc. etc.
Cole is a tyrant, yes. But in his mind he cannot afford not to be: He doesen't even have to just *believe* that humans left on their own without his guidance will destroy themselves: He has ample proof thereof.
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Actually, according to the GR website:|
Originally Posted by Arilou
But he does so while attempting to keep order on a planet that is, by and large a blasted wasteland. Extreme times calls for extreme measures, can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, etc. etc.
Cole is a tyrant, yes. But in his mind he cannot afford not to be: He doesen't even have to just *believe* that humans left on their own without his guidance will destroy themselves: He has ample proof thereof. |
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Over the next twenty five years, Emperor Cole did as he promised and more. The advancements accomplished without the threat of war and annihilation were wondrous. The devastated population of the world was replaced in a matter of years by a race of loyal robots that would become the backbone of the working force around the world - always ready to work, always on time, always precise, the Clockwork earned Dr. Raymond Keyes the Nobel Prize and a position in Emperor Cole's advisory council of Praetors. 25 years after being crowned Emperor of Earth, the nuclear wastelands of the world have returned to lush forests and farmland, cities have modernized, and the oceans have been cleansed of their pollutants. The people of the world are clothed, fed and educated, while a workforce of diligent workers allow humans to pursue more joy and happiness in their lives. He has truly created a Utopia on Earth. Ever vigilant of his subjects, the Emperor and his Praetors protect the people from all outward threats, including Cole's newest declared enemy, the breeding ground of villainy known as Primal Earth. Emperor Cole is a savior, but others know there's more to the story that isn't written in the history books. Most citizens of Praetorian Earth respect him or even love him. Some who know the truth fear him, and fewer still dare to stand against the lies. No matter what he is called in the halls of power or history books, no one can stop the hushed whispers in the streets and back alleys of his empire where he is called by another name...Tyrant. |
@Golden Girl
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While Arilou was off about the rest of the world being a wasteland (as of "Now"), Arilou was right about the fact that Cole has proof the world can't survive without him - all that healing was only possible after he took charge. If he left, humanity would go back to squabbling, etc, even if the Hamidon remained contained.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Actually, according to the GR website:
So physically, the world is actually in better shape than before the Hamidon Wars - the only threat seems to be the contained Hamidon, which he's possibly using as an excuse to maintain his dictatorship. |
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By the way, I think this thread would be a really good place for them to post screenshots or concept art of all the redesigned Praetorian AVs, so people entering the contest can be as accurate as possible with their posters - like how can people draw the Paretorian Guard if they don't know what they look like?
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If they have different names for each group, could we then assume that whichever side we take up; the names would change when our character runs into them. IE.....
I'm a loyalist and run into Cole. His name on my screen reads Emporer Cole.
I'm in the resistance and run into Cole. His name now reads Tyrant.
Just a thought. Do not know the practicality of it.
Since presumably your faction will determine what version (as in ally or enemy) of the major NPCs you meet, it should be easy to at least have the "proper" name used in missions. If the major Praetorians can be found out in a zone the name would be the same for everyone unless they've added new tech though.
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Can we enter this if we don't live in US, Canada, or the EU? (aka Australian and Oceania players)
What about if we supplied a US Shipping address?
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You can see official concept art of Emperor Cole/Tyrant, Tyrant's Tower, the PPD, the Resistance, and Calvin Scott on the website right now, and more should be available soon.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
By the way, I think this thread would be a really good place for them to post screenshots or concept art of all the redesigned Praetorian AVs, so people entering the contest can be as accurate as possible with their posters - like how can people draw the Paretorian Guard if they don't know what they look like?
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In the meantime, let me point you toward the youtube video of HeroCon '09 for some of the other concept (quickest way for you to see it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w
For Mother Mayhem, go to 5:11.
For Neuron, go to 5:25.
For Marauder, go to 5:35.
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Originally Posted by Crime_of_Fashion
I'm normally a very positive person on these forums, but seeing yet another competition I cannot legally enter gets me down.
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Same...
Would entering the competition under a family member's Ontario adress be legal? Or would that be concidered falsifying information?
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Define "Graffiti." Does it have to be something spray-painted directly on a wall, or can it be a poster/flyer illegally posted about town?
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I was wondering about this too. |
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Define "Graffiti." Does it have to be something spray-painted directly on a wall, or can it be a poster/flyer illegally posted about town?
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I've watched that video more than a few times |
Originally Posted by David Nakayama
You can see official concept art of Emperor Cole/Tyrant, Tyrant's Tower, the PPD, the Resistance, and Calvin Scott on the website right now, and more should be available soon.
In the meantime, let me point you toward the youtube video of HeroCon '09 for some of the other concept (quickest way for you to see it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w For Mother Mayhem, go to 5:11. For Neuron, go to 5:25. For Marauder, go to 5:35. |
I was meaning more for you to show us concept art or screenshots of AntiMatter, Battle Maiden, Black Swan, Bobcat, Chimera, Diabolique, Dominatrix, Infernal, Malaise, Nightstar, Shadowhunter and Siege - plus any new ones
@Golden Girl
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We're specifically looking for wall applications: spray paint and stencil artwork would be ideal. Small posters might be possible too.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Define "Graffiti." Does it have to be something spray-painted directly on a wall, or can it be a poster/flyer illegally posted about town?
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Focus on the major players. I'd love to show you concept for some of these, but it'll have to wait.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I've watched that video more than a few times
I was meaning more for you to show us concept art or screenshots of AntiMatter, Battle Maiden, Black Swan, Bobcat, Chimer, Diabolique, Dominatrix, Infernal, Malaise, Nightstar, Shadowhunter and Siege - plus any new ones |
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I'm sure AntiMatter will be delighted to hear that you think Neuon is a major player, but he isn't |
Originally Posted by David Nakayama
Focus on the major players. I'd love to show you concept for some of these, but it'll have to wait.
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And considering Dominatrix's family connections, and Chimera's job, they might be a little put out to be dismissed like that too
But I'm going to focus on the "some of these" part, because that could be interpreted as meaning that only some of those I mentioned are going to feature in GR
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No worries. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm sure AntiMatter will be delighted to hear that you think Neuon is a major player, but he isn't
And considering Dominatrix's family connections, and Chimera's job, they might be a little put out to be dismissed like that too But I'm going to focus on the "some of these" part, because that could be interpreted as meaning that only some of those I mentioned are going to feature in GR |
Dominatrix and Chimera aren't put out because they will be the first and only characters to get animated hair.
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>You're making it sound like Tyrant's some kind of dictator
>Tyrant's some kind of dictator
>Tyrant
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