Massively shows the official Issue 17 trailer
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Posted on: 2010-04-28 10:09 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I still like your work better >_>
looks nice. but to tell the truth, i think yours was better, Dark.
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Nice. Now, if only the servers would go up...
The FTP link actually leads to a huge list of obscure-named files that don't follow any real convention, so finding the exact file in there is a bit of a challenge. They don't even seem to be arranged alphabetically. I did end up finding it, in the form of File:COH_Issue17.flv, COH_Issue17_1280.mov and COH_Issue17_1280x720HD.wmv. I just wanted to name those so it's easier for lazy sods like myself to get around 
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Having view that and your video, I believe you covered the Issue much more comprehensively.
The official video was basically a tech demo and not really much of a movie. Samuraiko's video, on the other hand, was an actual video with dramatic effect and nice cinematography. Again, I have to wonder why the Paragon Studios people don't just get her to do their videos for them. This official one is basically as good as a series of promo screenshots. It's not BAD, but it's not a trailer by any stretch.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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FWIW, I didn't post this to diss the official work, or highlight "mine vs theirs." I just know that quite a few of the forumites don't necessarily hang out on Massively, so this would be a way for them to see the official video. (And where to download the other trailers for the game.)
Personally I am SERIOUSLY hoping they go back and take a page from their Issue 11 trailer for when they do the in-game trailer for GOING ROGUE. I think that's still my favorite trailer of the ones they've done.
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Thanks for the heads up.
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The FTP link actually leads to a huge list of obscure-named files that don't follow any real convention, so finding the exact file in there is a bit of a challenge. They don't even seem to be arranged alphabetically. I did end up finding it, in the form of
I just wanted to name those so it's easier for lazy sods like myself to get around |
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looking "Sweeeeet",and I got 2 Bottles of Wine,and all Kinds of time,to rock out with this new issue. Lovin' it.
Awesome video!
Side note: I feel bad for the current guy that does trailers. Seems like eveytime Sammy makes a post people feel the need to diss the poor guy, directly or indirectly.
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I'm mildly amused that they used Ouro as an example of "Real Time Shadows".
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For the record, that trailer did not mention animated tails either.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Awesome video!
Side note: I feel bad for the current guy that does trailers. Seems like eveytime Sammy makes a post people feel the need to diss the poor guy, directly or indirectly. |
People gotta remember the NC Soft guy is making his trailer for a different audience. Bob & Betty six-pack don't get excited about all the same things we do. And they don't have as intimate an understanding of the game as us.
That's why Samuraiko's vids seem better to us, because she understands the way we think and adds in little details that we appreciate. Well, that, and she has mad skillz ;P
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Originally Posted by BackFire
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the official trailer, it's actually pretty good!
People gotta remember the NC Soft guy is making his trailer for a different audience. Bob & Betty six-pack don't get excited about all the same things we do. And they don't have as intimate an understanding of the game as us. That's why Samuraiko's vids seem better to us, because she understands the way we think and adds in little details that we appreciate. Well, that, and she has mad skillz ;P |
So yeah, don't be mean to the other person doing trailers. 
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High praise indeed if BAB acknowledges I has mad skillz when it comes to my vids. Begs the interesting question, though - whether I can make a video that would convince Bob & Betty six-pack to give our game a whirl...
Correction, two interesting questions - exactly what constitutes that kind of video. Hmmmmm... it is something to ponder. I'll get on that once I finish the 6th anniversary vid.
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THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
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MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
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Not that I want to dis the official trailer, believe me, because it did do a good job of highlighting the I17 features, but it's not what I'd describe as a trailer. Again, at most it's a highlight reel.|
Originally Posted by BackFire
That's why Samuraiko's vids seem better to us, because she understands the way we think and adds in little details that we appreciate. Well, that, and she has mad skillz ;P
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And I have to disagree with BABs and BackFire here - I like Samuraiko's videos not because of how close they are to my sensibilities (truth be told, they're actually not exactly what I'd pick), but because they actually have the dynamics, pace and mood of an actual trailer, something that makes me get up out of my chair and go "Wow! That is so cool!"
I understand that the official trailer's job was just that - screencap all the new features and list them in a movie, and to be fair, Samuraik's videos are usually great for a lot of things OTHER than the actual features highlighted, such as proper choice of costume, location, powers and emotes, all of which are actually old content, so I can see why an official, "highlights ONLY" trailer would be less exciting and more informative.
Then again, their I11 trailer is probably the best official trailer I've ever seen of this game, and what I would consider a MASSIVE success. It's trailers like these that would convince me that a game is totally kickass. The subsequent I12 trailer wasn't nearly as good, both because of a worse voiceover, less "photogenic" names and... I honestly don't know why, exactly. But the I11 trailer had me in suspense the entire time. The I12 trailer and subsequent trailers have basically had me taking notes, and that's not the right approach, as far as I'm concerned.
Basically, I don't think any feature in any game is enough to impress me if you just show it to me and go "Here, see?" A trailer is less supposed to highlight as it is supposed to pump up. I don't know if that's acceptable for an official trailer, but I'd definitely prefer one like that.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I think this may be the main issue. I think it can be mainly highlighted by the "Fight Your Doppelganger" section. It showed what it was supposed to with two characters fighting but standing there with PSW lacks any form of energy and life. Some form of strafing and jumping would have added a lot to that segment, even if it wasn't much.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
... but because they actually have the dynamics, pace and mood of an actual trailer, something that makes me get up out of my chair and go "Wow! That is so cool!".
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My main issue is the frame rate of some of that in-game footage. Some, but not all, of the shots were actually choppy. Other than that, it works for me.
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Originally Posted by BackFire
People gotta remember the NC Soft guy is making his trailer for a different audience.
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D_R's videos are popular not because they appeal to our sensibilities - but because they're well done. They use music, and pacing, creative camera angles, and all the other stuff that even I (who have some graphic arts OJT but no video experience or training) know about.
The NCSoft trailers on the other hand are dull, lifeless, leaden lumps. This appeals to who exactly? Not Bob & Betty Sixpack. Not J. Random Gamer either. Not to anyone I can think of.
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Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying. The fight was to the point, as that's what a fight here often looks like, but it lacked any sort of... Punch that would make it look cool and exciting. That's a HUGE reason why I am very seriously against putting actual in-game footage in the trailer for ANY MMO ever. MMO just make for dull movies. You NEED to spice it up a bit with the right tune, a few cool camera angles and a few creative cuts and sequences. For instance, the one part that's embedded itself into my head from Samiraiko's I17 video is that swoop down over the reflective water. It's not really a very high-tech effect, but it's incredibly strong in the kind of impact it has on the viewer.|
Originally Posted by Zamuel
I think this may be the main issue. I think it can be mainly highlighted by the "Fight Your Doppelganger" section. It showed what it was supposed to with two characters fighting but standing there with PSW lacks any form of energy and life. Some form of strafing and jumping would have added a lot to that segment, even if it wasn't much.
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In essence, all the official I17 trailer did was show us things, essentially in the same way that a tech demo does. What Samuraiko's trailer did and what the old I11 trailer did, was to make us EXPERIENCE the new content. There's a subtle difference there, but it's one that makes or breaks a trailer, at least in my eyes.
My respect for the Paragon Studios trailer designer. That person has a job doing work for a great company while I piddle about writing fan fiction and working a job I'm not too keen on. But I feel that trailer could have been a lot more exciting.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Massively got to it before the main site did, but you can also download it from here. I'm envious that they had a fast enough rig to make Ultra Mode look that smooth... *sighs* And nice of them to give a bit of a nod to GR's upcoming release too!
EDIT: To make it easier for the 'lazy sods', to download the I-17 trailer, you can choose from:
ftp://ftp.ncsoft.com/CoH/Movies/COH_Issue17.flv
ftp://ftp.ncsoft.com/CoH/Movies/COH_Issue17_1280.mov
ftp://ftp.ncsoft.com/CoH/Movies/COH_...1280x720HD.wmv
Michelle
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Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)