Full Respec Request


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For the record this community is one of the least elitist I've been involved with and to say that people are leaving in droves because of the communitiesÂ’ attitude is frankly ludicrous.
The funny thing about his claim about our attitude is that we have Star Trek Online players that prefer asking for help for that game over here because we are so much nicer and helpful than anything they get on the STO forums.


 

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The funny thing about his claim about our attitude is that we have Star Trek Online players that prefer asking for help for that game over here because we are so much nicer and helpful than anything they get on the STO forums.
We've also had requests for help from Aion players... Champions Online Players... and going back far enough... there have been threads on Tabula Rasa, WarHammer, and FFXI.


 

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We've also had requests for help from Aion players... Champions Online Players... and going back far enough... there have been threads on Tabula Rasa, WarHammer, and FFXI.
Yeah and all because we are a bastion of venom and bile whose hearts are filled with a black hostility from which no light escapes.


 

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Yeah and all because we are a bastion of venom and bile whose hearts are filled with a black hostility from which no light escapes.
I need to get my calling cards changed...


 

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Actually, the whole point of trolling is to be disruptive and irritate/anger people, whether they get responses or not. It's the Catch-22 that if you answer them, you give them attention and if you don't, their position seems to be unrefuted.


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Actually, the whole point of trolling is to be disruptive and irritate/anger people, whether they get responses or not.
Au contraire, if the fish don't bite your trolling was unsuccessful. It's kind of inherent to the term. Of course, if there are no replies there's also no indication of people being irritated/angered nor is there much in the way of disruption.


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound

 

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True, but I think of that part as just bonus for them. Trolls know going in what's going to get on people's nerves. It's the intent that makes a troll, not the success.

To put it another way, if no one answers, they're still a troll.


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True, but I think of that part as just bonus for them. Trolls know going in what's going to get on people's nerves. It's the intent that makes a troll, not the success.

To put it another way, if no one answers, they're still a troll.
True enough, I suppose, but the main point was that replying makes the trolling successful and thus they "win".


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound

 

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Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
True enough, I suppose, but the main point was that replying makes the trolling successful and thus they "win".
But it's like telling someone not to think about pink elephants..... you're thinking about them now aren't you


 

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But it's like telling someone not to think about pink elephants..... you're thinking about them now aren't you
Nope. The term in question immediately makes my mind turn to worms, parades, and technicolour. After that it's a short trip to anime imagery that is best not discussed in detail.


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound

 

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True enough, I suppose, but the main point was that replying makes the trolling successful and thus they "win".
No. In their minds they win in either case. If they get an angry response they've won in p***ing you off. If you stop posting they win because they successfully drove you out of the thread.

The only way they lose is when they can't get you mad at them. Some can handle losing and some can't. The ones that can't inevitably self destruct. Remember City-Life, Shiverwraith, and KittyCrusader?


 

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And if no one answers, the game is no longer fun to the troll. Trolls thrive on getting a response out of people. Thus, they're happier when you respond to them. If you truly believe the original post was a trolling post, then why bother responding to it? It's like approaching a drunk trying to start a fight and talking trash to him, then complaining when he breaks a bottle over your head.

Keep feeding the trolls, whichever ones you think exist, and they will continue to come back for more, raising the same exact argument every time, because they know that button works on you. And it seems to have worked Expertly on a great majority of the responders in this thread, if the OP is indeed a troll.

Trolling is about Control. Making you respond. Which seems to work in this case. If they don't get any responses, and no one plays their game, then they get bored and find someplace else to troll.


 

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I have to feel sorry for the poster, I know the feeling...

With regards its a bad idea because...The devs said never!

I recall many player/posters reciting the mantra, the dev said, no,no,no.

I also recall so many imperative players basing their opinion on the "dev said" as it happened in the market merger, sharing items in co-op zones...The you are dumb if you think that will ever happen because the "dev said"

Well guess what? The Dev changed his mind! Despite all the posters who sheepishly go along with anything the dev says, there were few other players who kept making on their case, and eventually were able to get the dev to understand their position, and subsequently the dev reversed his position. Go figure that!

The fact that devs can listen and are professional enough to reverse their positions, is in fact a very, very good thing! Something we should take adventage of in this particular forum section by trying to be actually constructive and informative.

I do not believe its constructive or informative to simply state":

1. The dev said, I want "your" opinion; not a sheepish repeat of what the dev said. Its ok to agree with the Dev, by all means its ok, but if you gonna use the "dev said" argument, please detail why it is a good argument besides the "dev said".

2. Signed or unsigned, its valueless; we need a reason to understand why the idea is good or not

3. Profanity or insults, if you don't have the intellectual power to make an intelligent argument; you think using profinity will make suitable substitute?

Now some reasonable arguments, I seen posted above...

1. Your 50 mastered the primary/secondary specific sets; fully re-inventing your alt would result in you being a newb on the new alt.

This is a very good point, but...

The newbness in general is very short lived, unless the player is an idiot, if so no matter how much time is spent, stupid is stupid.

The player may have experience in that primary and/or secondary through other Alts.

The player could go to test server and train int he new power sets.

The player could be trained and mentored by other experienced players, sg members, friends on how to assemble his new alt's powers and use them.

2. Some power pools are aweful at the beginning and others are not; thus it is unfair for a player to level his alt thru the easy pool and then change to the tough pool.

Questionable point here...

Frankly most power pools are relatively evenly balanced, so if one is easier than others, it is likely a perception matter based on personal play style.

Perhaps a who cares? may be appropriate. If a player chooses to play an easier path and then switch, so what? How does that impact you personally?

3. IO sets may not be compatible from one alt set to another

Now this is actually a very good observation, because the likely hood that they would be 100% compatible is about 0%.

Yet, if one wants to totally re-invent their alt, who cares? So they trash a billion or two in IO sets, its no skin off my back; its their skin!

From a take influence off the game, the trash the IO sets in large scales, is actually a good way to take some wealth of the system.

4. From a Role Play perspective, the re-invent is absurd.

Think of Aquaman suddenly becoming the Flash, because he re-invented himself. Our alts allegedly developed a reputation, they are known for their powers. Imagine Storm from the X-Men abandoning her Storm Summoning powers to have instead Archery powers, ackward would it not?

But then, marvel has gone thru power resets and re-invents...


Now why would this be a good idea?

Personally I like Champions server, and I have already maxed out my number of character slots in that server; yes I spent money buying the added extra slots, and all of them are filled with level 50 alts. Many of my alts are very similar to others, so when new powers comes out, I would like to try them out. Sure I could always delete a level 50, which is fully decked out, and start with another level 0; but then I did labor and invest in a fully fledged level 50, so why totally throw that away, when a re-invent could be done instead? Incidentally, prior to re-invent, I would heavely research the powers, talk to the experienced players on those powers for advise and mentorship, etc.

The ability to totally re-invent a character's primary and secondary is available on other games such as Dark Age of Camelot, so the concept is not alien and universally considered ludicrous as some may try to pass it as in CoH. I remember the concept of self mailing available in WoW was a no way would happen here, the devs said...

The game is supposed to be fun, sure one has to be careful when my fun does impact on your fun, but it should not be a total pre-emptive denial of my fun either. I believe if folks want to change primary and secondaries to just try things, why not? As long as, the player practices some form of discipline and courtesy to others.

Hugs

Stormy


 

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I believe if folks want to change primary and secondaries to just try things, why not? As long as, the player practices some form of discipline and courtesy to others.
to answer this as nicely as possible, because it defeats the purpose of being able to make alts and all of the power sets do not play the same. not to mention that it is a attrocious idea to begin with.

as far as your server being filled up, transfer 2-4 toons and there you go. room for the new power sets.

and incase you just didn't read the OP's post and only read the title, which it seems to be you have, here it is:

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With the live questions answered on Friday I would like to make note that there will be no full respec. The actual question was that if we would be able to full change the character archetype, primary and secondary power sets.

All I am concerned about is the primary and secondary power sets.

I would like to request to allow 1, and only 1, full power respec per pre-order of Going Rogue ( I would really like it for every character, but not trying to be too picky). Some of use have concepts that will be better fufilled with what we were planing with the new power sets.


 

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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA View Post
I have to feel sorry for the poster, I know the feeling...

With regards its a bad idea because...The devs said never!

I recall many player/posters reciting the mantra, the dev said, no,no,no.

I also recall so many imperative players basing their opinion on the "dev said" as it happened in the market merger, sharing items in co-op zones...The you are dumb if you think that will ever happen because the "dev said"
Hugs

Stormy

This is an example of trolling. Storm is blatantly lying about what both the devs and players said about the examples he listed.

Not once did the devs ever say that they would never merge the markets, allow sharing of items in co-op, etc. What they actually said was that they would require a lot of work and would take a long time to implement so we shouldn't expect them any time soon. The people here on the forums merely repeated what they said.

It's the same thing they said about power customization, side switching, emailing inf/loot, weapon customization, power proliferation, fixing PvP, Base love.

Off the top of my head I can only think of three things they devs ever flat out told us would never happen.

1. Full Respecs
2. Allowing us to pull more than 10 enhancements off a build during a respec.
3. Making Stamina inherent.


 

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1. Full Respecs
2. Allowing us to pull more than 10 enhancements off a build during a respec.
3. Making Stamina inherent.
There are also a few animation/power types like water powers and stretching powers that the devs have stated are flat out impossible with the current engine.


 

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There are also a few animation/power types like water powers and stretching powers that the devs have stated are flat out impossible with the current engine.
yeah, but those weren't "never"... those were "we can NOT do that with the tech we have now"


 

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This is an example of trolling. Storm is blatantly lying about what both the devs and players said about the examples he listed.

Not once did the devs ever say that they would never merge the markets, allow sharing of items in co-op, etc. What they actually said was that they would require a lot of work and would take a long time to implement so we shouldn't expect them any time soon. The people here on the forums merely repeated what they said.

It's the same thing they said about power customization, side switching, emailing inf/loot, weapon customization, power proliferation, fixing PvP, Base love.

Off the top of my head I can only think of three things they devs ever flat out told us would never happen.

1. Full Respecs
2. Allowing us to pull more than 10 enhancements off a build during a respec.
3. Making Stamina inherent.
100% agree with this ^


 

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Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
Au contraire, if the fish don't bite your trolling was unsuccessful. It's kind of inherent to the term. Of course, if there are no replies there's also no indication of people being irritated/angered nor is there much in the way of disruption.
I find the best way to handle trolling is to change the topic to something else completely. Like BBQ.

M'mmmm, BBQ.


@Rylas

Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.

 

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BBQ Bacon Explosion.


 

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BBQ Bacon Explosion.
anyone have an extra drool bucket i can use? mine are all full.


 

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BBQ Bacon Explosion.
Even I want to eat that. ^_^