What's the deal with PvP in this game?
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Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2010-04-18 05:39 in Everything about PvP
well i never did or saw a pvp match in this game either, i just got back to the game after 5 years, but as far as i know the pvp side of this game is pretty bad
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That's what it looks like to me too which is really weird because this a super hero game and i assumed there would be a lot of PvP action as that's sort of the nature of the setting and all.
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Originally Posted by klaus_NA
well i never did or saw a pvp match in this game either, i just got back to the game after 5 years, but as far as i know the pvp side of this game is pretty bad
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pvp in this game got pushed into the van, assaulted and left at the side of the road in i13.
i17 has zero pvp changes.
go play another game if you want to pvp.
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Pretty much this. PvP in this game is pretty horrible. The PvP system is almost completely different than the PvE system, which makes it awfully hard to adjust to. Your attacks do wildly different damage than they do in PvE, nearly every power and statistic you have will be watered down, your travel powers won't work when you do anything, including a self heal, and squishy characters (ie Blasters, Doms, Corruptors, etc) consistently have more resists than some of the "sturdier" AT's like Scrappers.|
Originally Posted by black_barrier
go play another game if you want to pvp. |
There's also maybe 2 or 3 sets for each AT that are worth anything in PvP; this ruins the diversity in PvP.
I wouldn't advise getting into it. If you choose to, there's plenty people here who are willing to help you. Your choice, but I wouldn't get into PvP until they fix it (over/under is Issue 32).
Yeah like the others have said, PvP is pretty bad. It used to be decent, not great but not horrible either. That was changed in I13 when they completely redesigned the game. They ignored ALL input from PvP'ers, and purposely did basically the opposite of what we wanted. They were warned that they'd kill the game. They completely ignored the warnings.
And now we have this trash that can barely even be called PvP. It's a completely different system from PvE, and a much inferior one. Basically nothing makes any logical sense, and everything is balanced around random whims of the developers.
So yeah, if you have nothing to lose, you can check it out to see for yourself. But if you're looking at this game just for PvP, look elsewhere.
Seemed to me that the OP is kinda unaware of way arena works and/or might be on an underpopulated server for PvP. Perhaps even looking to be told that they should actually invite someone to arena with instead of signing up for random matches.
I13 killed my brother once.
"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.
And if you are looking for PvP then make sure you are on Freedom, it is where most of the PvPr's are now. We have a league that is sorta on going, and there are some people talking about doing another after this one ends. The PvP zones are the most populated on Freedom also if you would want to PvP there. The other servers pale in comparison to the number of people you will have in zones and doing arena matches on Freedom. Also the preset matches in the arena have never worked, you need to find an opponent, or a team and another team to fightm and one of you list a match and the other join it, set the options you want then go fight. To answer another question, no the arenas are not cross server, hence the reason most of the PvPr's have made Freedom their home.
God I hope I am not just troll feedin here.
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The PVP Community is tiny in COH. There are a few hundred maximum, and they all congregate on Freedom & Virtue. There is zero support from the developers for PVP in this game. (As is evident by all the PVP specific bugs that have been reported but have not been fixed for MONTHS now.)
I would say that unless you are especially fond of City of Heroes, the PVP here is not worth engaging in.
In regards to the OP:
1. I assume you were trying to join a system match, which is usually pre-scheduled and starts as soon as enough players join. They haven't worked right since arenas were introduced 13 issues ago and they are for the most part forgotten (nevermind that there's no longer a large enough arena population to even make them something which ever sees activity). If you want arena matches, you need to ask for them in arena chat (/ac), but if you're not on Freedom (or Virtue at some times of the day) you probably won't get any response.
2. Never, ever, ever listen to Dahjee.
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It was estimated that before I13 (don't remember exactly when but I'd say sometime between I11 and I12) that 5% of the game's playerbase PvP'd at least semi-regularly. Given a population of 120,000, that would mean about 6,000 people PvP'd. I'm willing to bet a large chunk of inf that there are now less than 1,000 regular and semi-regular PvPers (probably 200-300 tops).
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To be fair, mac, Dahjee does have a reasonable point. The OP might be on a relatively dead server like Victory or Pinnacle. In which case, yea; PvP is dead and PvE almost is, too.|
Originally Posted by macskull
2. Never, ever, ever listen to Dahjee. |
But overall, don't listen to Dahjee. You'll end up with a bad toon that will consistently get farmed. And that's never fun.
*shrug* I skip over its posts so I just assumed it said something stupid. Guess there's a first time for everything. 
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I wonder how much money NC Soft has lost due to the virtual extermination of the PvP community with i13? Enough to account for Castle's annual salary perhaps?
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Originally Posted by macskull
In regards to the OP:
It was estimated that before I13 (don't remember exactly when but I'd say sometime between I11 and I12) that 5% of the game's playerbase PvP'd at least semi-regularly. Given a population of 120,000, that would mean about 6,000 people PvP'd. I'm willing to bet a large chunk of inf that there are now less than 1,000 regular and semi-regular PvPers (probably 200-300 tops). |
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According to the "campfire" thread posted by Ex Libris around the release of i11, 10% PvP'd at least once a week, however the number was on a downward trend.
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Originally Posted by macskull
It was estimated that before I13 (don't remember exactly when but I'd say sometime between I11 and I12) that 5% of the game's playerbase PvP'd at least semi-regularly. Given a population of 120,000, that would mean about 6,000 people PvP'd. I'm willing to bet a large chunk of inf that there are now less than 1,000 regular and semi-regular PvPers (probably 200-300 tops).
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"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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LOL ahahaha I understand. I read them because I'm uncontrollably curious.|
Originally Posted by macskull
*shrug* I skip over its posts so I just assumed it said something stupid. Guess there's a first time for everything.
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I love how "Dahjee" has become a verb as well as an "it".
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So you're saying that CoH PvP was ruined before the internet ever existed? Oh, ok.|
Originally Posted by Dr_HR
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(being unfriendly is part of competition)
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Sure, if you like sticking your feet into buckets of cement and shuffling around.
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Originally Posted by Dr_HR
Hell even WoW has better pvp
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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Not even close. If PvP were something which had the potential to bring in a decent chunk of money for this game, I don't think I13 would've happened in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Murdok
I wonder how much money NC Soft has lost due to the virtual extermination of the PvP community with i13? Enough to account for Castle's annual salary perhaps?
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
First thanks to everyone who posted, i now have a much clearer picture of CoH's PvP model, such as it is. Since CoH charges so little for character transfer as opposed to most other games i moved my lvl 50 scrapper to Freedom last night and will be looking for a super group that's into at least some PvP. As for trying another game for PvP I've already put one month of game time on this account and while she's not a player my wife likes to design costumes with the character creator, so i'm in for at least a month, maybe all summer depending on how things go on Freedom.
Again, thanks to all for answering, i know this looked like a trollers post but i'm a "need to know, don't care how" sort of person when it comes to gaming. Besides if game forums don't exist for trolls what do they exist for, helping people? (JK, thanks all)
The best way to get "instant" pvp is not the arena. It's usually empty, unless you happen to catch a kickball match by watching the /Arena channel. Or join the league.
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i'll repost this since you seem to have missed it from your OP in the player help section:|
Originally Posted by Jeff_Kaos
i accidentally posted this in the new player forum so i'm putting it here too because this is something that's make or break for me right now because as it stands the PvE in this game is way too instanced to hold my attention for too long.
REPOST: I played this game for 4 months over a year ago and i just reopened my sub this weekend as i'm checking out all the old mmo's i've already payed for but haven't played in a while (if anyone wants to know, SWG is worse now than ever before). Back when i was active in CoH i never had the chance to check out the PvP side of the game, i had que'd up for a few arena battles but none ever took place. Same thing happened last night. I que'd up for a whole bunch of fights with multiple characters of almost every level range and i never set foot in a single fight. when i looked on the arena fight setup screen i chose fights that said they would start ASAP. What does ASAP mean? When i was in the army ASAP stood for As Soon As Possible but i'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that in CoH because i think i'm still que'd up for a few fights over 9 hours later. What i'm wondering is weather i came to the wrong place for my PvP fix? Last night was a SATURDAY night and i couldn't get into a single arena fight, are the arena's cross server and if the aren't why not? Not one of the servers hit more than light pop last night. I hope the open world PvP is better but after last nights arena debacle i'm not holding my breath. Oh yeah, how do i display the time in game? i saw some matches with specific times entered but i couldn't figure out how to tell server time in game. Sorry for posting this twice but like i said this is something that is important to me and will determine weather or not i'll keep plugging $15 a month into CoH. |
Freedom and Virtue are the best servers for any type of PvP. and do not make the mistake of thinking the little bubbles next to the servers means population. they do not. what they show is load. totaly different from population.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Not even close. If PvP were something which had the potential to bring in a decent chunk of money for this game, I don't think I13 would've happened in the first place.
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Pvp did bring in more money back then almost every pvper had mulltiple accounts. And not just a second. There was a good portion with 3+ accounts. I know they will never say it in public but I am pretty sure if they could do it all over again they would do it a lot differently.
Duel me.
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Well if you didn't really pvp before the i13 then you don't know what you missed out on. I say give zone pvp a fair shake, it might be fun for you. I'm not sure there is enough arena action these days to just satisfied with that venue, which is why I suggest zone pvp.|
Originally Posted by Jeff_Kaos
i accidentally posted this in the new player forum so i'm putting it here too because this is something that's make or break for me right now because as it stands the PvE in this game is way too instanced to hold my attention for too long.
REPOST: I played this game for 4 months over a year ago and i just reopened my sub this weekend as i'm checking out all the old mmo's i've already payed for but haven't played in a while (if anyone wants to know, SWG is worse now than ever before). Back when i was active in CoH i never had the chance to check out the PvP side of the game, i had que'd up for a few arena battles but none ever took place. Same thing happened last night. I que'd up for a whole bunch of fights with multiple characters of almost every level range and i never set foot in a single fight. when i looked on the arena fight setup screen i chose fights that said they would start ASAP. What does ASAP mean? When i was in the army ASAP stood for As Soon As Possible but i'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that in CoH because i think i'm still que'd up for a few fights over 9 hours later. What i'm wondering is weather i came to the wrong place for my PvP fix? Last night was a SATURDAY night and i couldn't get into a single arena fight, are the arena's cross server and if the aren't why not? Not one of the servers hit more than light pop last night. I hope the open world PvP is better but after last nights arena debacle i'm not holding my breath. Oh yeah, how do i display the time in game? i saw some matches with specific times entered but i couldn't figure out how to tell server time in game. Sorry for posting this twice but like i said this is something that is important to me and will determine weather or not i'll keep plugging $15 a month into CoH. |
Avoid the automated match system. It doesn't work, don't' think it ever has. It is a shining beacon of how the devs approach pvp in this game. Half-***** or worse.
The bubbles by the server aren't a direct representation of server population, but rather, server load. Apparently the servers have been upgraded over the years so that they can handle a higher stress load. Be that as it may, population has continually declined so those upgrades may have been of dubious value. That said, I personally find freedom (highest pop) to be pretty barren most of the time. Weekends are a bit better and 2x xp events are good (but not for pvp activity cause everyone is pl'ing).
Anyway, gl.
As another returning player, this news is disappointing. There are a few of us coming back with pvp backgrounds, and were looking forward to that part of the game. Well, at least we are on Freedom. Maybe we can get some organized matches soon.
i accidentally posted this in the new player forum so i'm putting it here too because this is something that's make or break for me right now because as it stands the PvE in this game is way too instanced to hold my attention for too long.
REPOST: I played this game for 4 months over a year ago and i just reopened my sub this weekend as i'm checking out all the old mmo's i've already payed for but haven't played in a while (if anyone wants to know, SWG is worse now than ever before). Back when i was active in CoH i never had the chance to check out the PvP side of the game, i had que'd up for a few arena battles but none ever took place. Same thing happened last night. I que'd up for a whole bunch of fights with multiple characters of almost every level range and i never set foot in a single fight. when i looked on the arena fight setup screen i chose fights that said they would start ASAP. What does ASAP mean? When i was in the army ASAP stood for As Soon As Possible but i'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that in CoH because i think i'm still que'd up for a few fights over 9 hours later.
What i'm wondering is weather i came to the wrong place for my PvP fix? Last night was a SATURDAY night and i couldn't get into a single arena fight, are the arena's cross server and if the aren't why not? Not one of the servers hit more than light pop last night. I hope the open world PvP is better but after last nights arena debacle i'm not holding my breath. Oh yeah, how do i display the time in game? i saw some matches with specific times entered but i couldn't figure out how to tell server time in game.
Sorry for posting this twice but like i said this is something that is important to me and will determine weather or not i'll keep plugging $15 a month into CoH.