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Originally Posted by Khellendrosiic
You, sir or madam, deserve a round of applause.
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I was reading Virtue TFs 2010 the other day when a gentleman berated another for initiating a social conversation. He said, "This is a channel for TF's only. You want to chat, go somewhere else." Initially, I thought, "Well ****, that's rude." but realized.. yeah, look, when we join a group, we're joining a social network with moderators and rules - their rules.
VU2010, formerly VU2009 - VU2008 - VirtueUnited, is a fairly popular global channel. It caps at 2,500 globals nearly every Fall and has maybe a dozen moderators? Moderators aren't paid NCsoft employees, they're players giving up their free time to help run a social network smoothly for all those who wish to join. I know I sure as hell wouldn't have time to interrogate, public poll, and try someone for an offense that is clearly seen from the surface. I'd rather do what's right for the group and lose one person than ten.
Ball's in your court now, Makai. Accept that fact, ask a VU mod if you can rejoin, join a different channel, or make your own.
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Originally Posted by JadeTora
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So heart-breaking...and hilarious!
Originally Posted by Commander
Grow thicker skin? How about grow a soul?
You have managed to completely and utterly blow the issue way, way, WAY out of proportion, just to prove your stance as some sort of a..."law abiding citizen" of this virtual community?
The report tool is given for a reason; and that is to take away your self-righteousness and let the people who designed the EULA decide on things. So use it and stop trying to "fix" this oh-so-sick world in which puppies die and baby seals cry.
Come down from that high throne sometime. The weather's nice down here too!
Sorry Commander, I was really trying to see your side to this whole thing. I mean, I am all for free speech, but the fact of the matter is NO moderated channel is a public forum. The moderators have every right to decide what is and is not appropriate for discussion in that channel, just as any newspaper publisher has every right to decide what will and will not be published in that paper, and just as NC Soft has every right to decide what can and can not be discussed on these forums. They own them. It's they who set the rules.
My problem is with your own postings in this thread. First, in this post, you accuse the original poster of posting a porn link in the VU Channel, and you indicate that the link was the real reason for the ban...
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Originally Posted by Commander
What about the link to the porn site?
Stop trying to play the innocent card. There are players in VU that are under the age of consent. Publishing a link in a public forum, it is giving minors an ability to access something not intended for them as well as putting yourself in a situation that crosses legal boundaries. Had I been there for the entire conversation, I would have reported it directly to customer support. CoH/V = Teen rated game. 13+ As Kegan said: Smarten up. |
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Originally Posted by Commander
Don't glance past the point of this thread. Someone was kicked from a chat for making light of sexual assault. Someone else was banned for posting a link to a porn website, to make light of the topic of sexual assault.
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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See, that would be completely valid if something like a public channel had pre-determined rules and regulations, and moderators were only there to enforce these rules. Now I'm not a member of VU, but I doubt there is a "DA RULZ" book for the channel, and for that, kicking someone would be purely based on moderator discretion.
Originally Posted by Garielle
Sorry Commander, I was really trying to see your side to this whole thing. I mean, I am all for free speech, but the fact of the matter is NO moderated channel is a public forum. The moderators have every right to decide what is and is not appropriate for discussion in that channel, just as any newspaper publisher has every right to decide what will and will not be published in that paper, and just as NC Soft has every right to decide what can and can not be discussed on these forums. They own them. It's they who set the rules.
And just because someone is a moderator, it doesn't make them "right"; especially in such a large, popular channel. I don't remember VU ever being created by a small group of like-minded people for a specific goal with a set of rules and regulations.
It is a public channel to bring people in Virtue together. Much like Broadcast. You can't declare moderators as representatives of "law" in such a scenario... precisely because there IS no law.
So, in the absence of any "law", the next best thing is "warning". Something the moderator (assuming all facts are present) refused to do and simply kicked the person. THAT is the part that is wrong, and far out-weighs what the OP did.
I love that whenever somebody acts like a jerk, and somebody calls them a jerk, the response is "Grow thicker skin! you suck!" which seems interesting, because, if you're gonna act like it's completely unreasonable for people to respond negatively to you doing negative ish, then you should just accept that people will say mean things to you, like call you a jerk for acting like a jerk
People who want to insult everyone around them, but not be insulted in turn: GROW THICKER SKIN!
What is "self-righteousness" about being concerned about others? There were many people offended by the comments made, the issue was dealt with by an operator of the channel, and this wildfire spread because a disgruntled person decided to "vent" about how he was mistreated.
Yeah. I'm at fault 100%.
Let me ask you this: has a loved one ever fallen victim to anything? Do you not care for them or their well being? What if someone caused them to live the pain they suffered over and over, for the sake of amusement? Well, to many people, that's what this whole issue created.
I mean, this is a game that people play to get away from reality. Just because you also pay the subscription doesn't mean that it gives you any rights to do as you wish. The comments never should have been made, and I should not have made a reply to a "rant" thread about the subject. But here we are at an impass; the damage already done.
But you can say what you want. The thread will be locked and removed soon enough and in another month we'll have something new to disagree over.
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Originally Posted by Garielle
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I'm offended that you bring up a topic like my loved one being fallen victim to such a thing on such a petty, worth-less topic. You are causing me pain and suffering and ruining my escape from reality. Grow a soul!
Originally Posted by Commander
What is "self-righteousness" about being concerned about others? There were many people offended by the comments made, the issue was dealt with by an operator of the channel, and this wildfire spread because a disgruntled person decided to "vent" about how he was mistreated.
Yeah. I'm at fault 100%.
Let me ask you this: has a loved one ever fallen victim to anything? Do you not care for them or their well being? What if someone caused them to live the pain they suffered over and over, for the sake of amusement? Well, to many people, that's what this whole issue created.
I mean, this is a game that people play to get away from reality. Just because you also pay the subscription doesn't mean that it gives you any rights to do as you wish. The comments never should have been made, and I should not have made a reply to a "rant" thread about the subject. But here we are at an impass; the damage already done.
But you can say what you want. The thread will be locked and removed soon enough and in another month we'll have something new to disagree over.
See what I did there?
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Originally Posted by Bright Shadow
Now I'm not a member of VU, but I doubt there is a "DA RULZ" book for the channel, and for that, kicking someone would be purely based on moderator discretion.
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Originally Posted by Bright Shadow
I'm offended that you bring up a topic like my loved one being fallen victim to such a thing on such a petty, worth-less topic. You are causing me pain and suffering and ruining my escape from reality. Grow a soul! See what I did there? |
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Okay, then I take my statement regarding Garielle's comment back. I was mistaken.
Originally Posted by Commander
Actually, there is a "rule book" of topics that shouldn't be discussed. And I believe they were carried over from the first VU channel.
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Originally Posted by Commander
No, not really.
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Originally Posted by Commander
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in my first post as two different things ran into the same paragraph. I didn't mean it to sound as I as accusing the first person of the link. I was trying to get the point out that he "started the fire" that made the whole thing snowball out of control into what we have now.
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Originally Posted by Commander
What about the link to the porn site?
Stop trying to play the innocent card. There are players in VU that are under the age of consent. Publishing a link in a public forum, it is giving minors an ability to access something not intended for them as well as putting yourself in a situation that crosses legal boundaries. Had I been there for the entire conversation, I would have reported it directly to customer support. CoH/V = Teen rated game. 13+ As Kegan said: Smarten up. |
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...55&postcount=9
Like I said, I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear as two thoughts kind of meshed into one. Usually I try to structure a thought better and sometimes I type and move comments to an area to form a more cohesive thought. This time it slipped past me. As you can see, after the second comment about the link, nothing was referred to the original poster. It was a failure on my part to spot a poorly structured comment. As they say, "You are your own worst editor."
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Originally Posted by Commander
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...55&postcount=9
Like I said, I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear as two thoughts kind of meshed into one. Usually I try to structure a thought better and sometimes I type and move comments to an area to form a more cohesive thought. This time it slipped past me. |
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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Originally Posted by Garielle
Are you REALLY trying to tell me that you were asking KEGAN about the link or telling KEGAN to stop playing the innocent card?? This would be the same Kegan that you, later in the same post, agree with saying (and this is not a direct quote, but is close enough) "Like Kegan said, smarten up"?
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| As for him being responsible for the fact that someone ELSE posted a link in response to his comment, that's BEYOND ludicrous. You really want to hold him responsible for something SOMEONE ELSE did? Wow... yeah, I think you're pretty much helping me make up my mind on the whole "Should I stay or should I go?" thing if that's how you think things should be run. Especially with no warning to him whatsoever. |
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Originally Posted by Commander
When I made the comment, I was referring to Kegans comments. I was not accusing her, as she is an amazing RL friend of mine. Like I said, I take thoughts, shuffle them around, and try to make a more cohesive thought. I make comments, as I type, and leave little notes that I want to go into further.
I can see your mind is set and I'm not looking to change it. I'm trying to give my point so that not everything I say is met with a judgement of character based on the structure of a thought. So if someone throws a match and a forrest catches fire, it's the tress fault that the fire continues to spread? |
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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Originally Posted by Commander
Actually, there is a "rule book" of topics that shouldn't be discussed. And I believe they were carried over from the first VU channel.
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Originally Posted by Garielle
Are you really that damned dense? The trees didn't DO ANYTHING. The person who posted the link is their OWN PERSON...with their OWN BRAIN... who makes their OWN DECISIONS.... and needs to bear the RESPONSIBILITY of those actions, not someone else who makes a, to be quite honest, mild comment.
And to be honest, IIRC the OP made his comment to someone else who was discussing ERPvP. Wouldn't it be THAT person who "started the fire" to use your phrase? Shouldn't it be THAT person gets the boot? |
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Originally Posted by Makai_No_Falco
And is this "rulebook" posted ANYWHERE? Is there a link to it in the global MotD?
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| The rulebook is for the Mods when it comes to knowing what is/isn't allowed in VU. I believe they have a website on Guild Portal that lists them more in detail. |
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Originally Posted by Commander
Wait... you're calling me dense because the trees didn't do anything? That's my point. The person that threw the match caused the fire. The trees did nothing but pass the fire on. If the person didn't throw the match, there would be no fire.
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Wait... you're calling me dense because the trees didn't do anything? That's my point. The person that threw the match caused the fire. The trees did nothing but pass the fire on. If the person didn't throw the match, there would be no fire. As far as I know, saying ERPvP is not the same as sexual assault. He just took the match, lit it, and watched the fire spread. Sure, when you get down to it, there's no law in VU that says you can't spread a fire. There is a rule, however, that says you shouldn't have the match in the first place. And if my comments were too "dense" to understand, I'm referring to the rules and the constant remindings of the rules over the past few weeks about the same exact subject. People have been warned, over and over, that the topic is not one for VU. Then people have to test the MODs by trying to slip a comment in here and there, just so they can be seen as a martyr when the punishment is handed out. |
Also, just as a side note, can we please have a link to this rule book of VU? Surely it's easily accessible to the general public, it being such an important document and all. I'm just curious.
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Originally Posted by Khellendrosiic
Yeah, ok, you really must be tired to have missed this one. In your analogy you likened the person who posted the link to a bunch of trees. That's a logical fallacy there because the person who posted the link isn't a tree, he's a human being who decided "Oh hey, I'm going to use that joke as an excuse to post this link!"
A better analogy would be that the OP opened up a door and someone decided to step through it. Although if the conversation was already on ERPvP, then that door was probably long open. |
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1.) Please try to keep conversations civil. We don't want flame wars to deal with so please try to keep touchy subjects such as Politics, Religion and Sexual innuendo's to a minimum. They aren't against the rules per se, but they will be scrutinized and modded heavily. 2.) Do not call out the mods. If you seek to incur the wrath of the mods, be prepared for the consequences ie. kicks, silences, and if worse comes to worse we will ban. 3.) Most silences/kicks are temporary in nature. Most of the time, Mods will kick and silence to get the attention of the channel when they for reasons unknown couldn't settle the channel down. So please take no offense if you just happened to be in the crossfire at the time of silencing. 4.) The Motd is used for Useful information such as Hamidon raids and RWZ ship raids. However whenever a mod needs to get the attention of the channel it will be used for such purposes. 5.) If you have any problems with other members or mods of VU2008 please send a tell to another Mod and we shall have a "sit down chat" about what needs to happen to get the problem(s) rectified. |
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Originally Posted by Makai_No_Falco
Grats on your strawman argument there.
He's calling you dense because you're comparing trees, which have no free will, to people, which do. A burning tree has no choice in whether or not it passes on fire. A person has a choice as to whether or not they join into a stupid activity. |