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@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
idc anymore. although i can still farm it to some extent, the constant changes are killing it for me. idc for PLing so i could do w/o the XP. the tickets made up for the "random is random" drop rates that regular content offers. now there isnt even that really. maybe its for the better, but id say different. AE purist should be happy now at least...in addition to most of AE arcs being bad, they are now worthless as well.
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Originally Posted by MLEdelen
Ok, now they have gone WAY too far. They have made AE to the point noone really benefits to use it.
You give us the ability to make customer critters...but if we don't make the CUSTOM critter exactly the way you devs want us to (which doesn't really make it all the customizable) then you take are rewards away. I went in there today and was soloing a mob in the samuari mission at level 54 set for 8. I was getting one 1 ticket at a time, and was only averaging 1000-3000 influence. That is pathetic. Why waste my time with AE anymore. AE is supposed to be our missions, our critters. But we can't make anyone the way we want. |
Weren't the Samurai farms nuked something like 8 months ago?
The latest AE nerf, as near as I can tell, should have had no effect whatsoever on the Samurai farms. Samurai farms went out of style with the custom critter power controls and custom group minion / lt / boss rules.
It just sounds like this particular rant is about six to eight months too late.
Just saying, is all. How do you expect to be a good little exploiter if you can't even be bothered to stay on top of the most recent exploits?
AE is supposed to be our stories, populated with our critters (if the story demands it), as an alternate leveling path to 50. It was never supposed to be used for farming (not for tickets, and not for XP), and the Devs have been very up front about that from day minus one (from the moment it was announced, in fact, long before it hit beta).
The reason AE keeps getting nerfed is because people keep finding ways to exploit the system to make XP and ticket farms, limiting it's usefulness for its stated purpose, the telling of stories by players to be appreciated by other players.
None of those farms are stories, nor do they even make a token attempt to be. So, all I have for you is the world's smallest violin, playing the world's saddest tune, that only you can hear. That's about all the sympathy I can muster for your plight.
On the other hand, if you are a legitimate creator whose story has been hosed by the latest nerf, I feel for you, and will strike up the whole band with normal sized instruments.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Much as I would like to bash your head in with KNOWLEDGE, we don't need another thread about this. Follow the link above, my friend.
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Originally Posted by MLEdelen
AE is supposed to be our missions, our critters. But we can't make anyone the way we want.
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@Golden Girl
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step outside of the building into the light. there are actual missions that the devs have made that you can run to level your toon. believe it or not, people actually run them. i know, it doesn't seem real. but trust me, it is.
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Originally Posted by MLEdelen
Ok, now they have gone WAY too far. They have made AE to the point noone really benefits to use it.
You give us the ability to make customer critters...but if we don't make the CUSTOM critter exactly the way you devs want us to (which doesn't really make it all the customizable) then you take are rewards away. I went in there today and was soloing a mob in the samuari mission at level 54 set for 8. I was getting one 1 ticket at a time, and was only averaging 1000-3000 influence. That is pathetic. Why waste my time with AE anymore. AE is supposed to be our missions, our critters. But we can't make anyone the way we want. |
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No, the xp was cut down abit, but at the time I was still getting 10k-15k a person, twice. |
Originally Posted by Lightfoot
Weren't the Samurai farms nuked something like 8 months ago?
The latest AE nerf, as near as I can tell, should have had no effect whatsoever on the Samurai farms. Samurai farms went out of style with the custom critter power controls and custom group minion / lt / boss rules. |
I recreated the samauri mission with an actually storyline for the mission. And if the devs think I was trying to make a farm mission, I wasn't. There are many comics and cartoons where the heroes were fighting villains that would get back up after they were knocked down.
And my Samauri mission managed to get 999+ votes and still popular. Until this ********.
If they are gonna be so strict as to how we use the AE system. they might as well just take it out of the game completely? It was put in so WE could make our own missions and storylines. But WE can't b/c we can only create content the DEVS want us to make and nothing outside of that. So there goes originality.
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I don't level toons, I have 2 accounts fully stocked with 50s. I'm trying to get influ so I can make them strong. B/C at 50, it's the only thing left to do. PvP sucks, noone does the Hami raids anymore, and every now and then I stumble on a Ritki Raid. Theres nothing left but the persuit of Influence for the purples or the best enh. Base pimping is boring mainly b/c the DEVS have pretty much abandoned bases.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
step outside of the building into the light. there are actual missions that the devs have made that you can run to level your toon. believe it or not, people actually run them. i know, it doesn't seem real. but trust me, it is.
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I meant we get no rewards for customizing a mission in AE. They might as well remove the custom critter creation tool out of AE.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You can - they're as customizable as they're always been
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play regular missions and sell your drops? or roll your tickets and sell your drops? you would be surprised how much money you can make on the markets. so quitcherbitchin and take advantage of the markets. |
Originally Posted by MLEdelen
I don't level toons, I have 2 accounts fully stocked with 50s. I'm trying to get influ so I can make them strong. B/C at 50, it's the only thing left to do. PvP sucks, noone does the Hami raids anymore, and every now and then I stumble on a Ritki Raid. Theres nothing left but the persuit of Influence for the purples or the best enh. Base pimping is boring mainly b/c the DEVS have pretty much abandoned bases.
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You think sami is popular becuase it has value outside of being a PL/farming tool?|
Originally Posted by MLEdelen
No, the xp was cut down abit, but at the time I was still getting 10k-15k a person, twice.
I recreated the samauri mission with an actually storyline for the mission. And if the devs think I was trying to make a farm mission, I wasn't. There are many comics and cartoons where the heroes were fighting villains that would get back up after they were knocked down. And my Samauri mission managed to get 999+ votes and still popular. Until this ********. If they are gonna be so strict as to how we use the AE system. they might as well just take it out of the game completely? It was put in so WE could make our own missions and storylines. But WE can't b/c we can only create content the DEVS want us to make and nothing outside of that. So there goes originality. |
Your mish is about as inspiring as my now-dead Jelly Beans farm.
We should be able to make "our own missions and storylines?" So in your delusion Sami farm qualifies as a storyline?
All these "AE sux" threads are some of the most pathetic posts I've come across these boards over the past 2 years I've browsed.
Just to set the record straight, I am not the originator of GM farm. I Dream of Genie and Rainbow Zombies had been around for weeks before I decided to dip my toe into the farm game.
I am grateful the devs decided not to ban my account, as was the alleged fate of those who created the Meow farms way back when.
While I deserve to be banned, I would find it unfortunate since it never dawned on the devs that 30 allies on a mission map is probably not the best idea.
In closing, since I cannot prove any of my claims you should take 'em with a grain of NaCl.
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You should come to virtue. We do MULTIPLE hami raids almost EVERY NIGHT (divided between redside/blueside, naturally)|
Originally Posted by MLEdelen
I don't level toons, I have 2 accounts fully stocked with 50s. I'm trying to get influ so I can make them strong. B/C at 50, it's the only thing left to do. PvP sucks, noone does the Hami raids anymore, and every now and then I stumble on a Ritki Raid. Theres nothing left but the persuit of Influence for the purples or the best enh. Base pimping is boring mainly b/c the DEVS have pretty much abandoned bases.
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The devs havn't abandoned bases, but it IS on the back burner right now. War Witch has noted she'd like to give bases love sometime after I19, iirc.
And as for "nothing left", you should try actual STORYs in AE. Yeah, a lot of them won't give max influence because of all the nerfs (which were only there to begin with because of samarai farms and the like, funny how that works!), but it'll be something new and different. play a few then roll your tickets and sell your drops. Boom, instant influence.
Of course, if you want purples, run radios in PI. One or two should drop eventually. And since you're so in love with your story-less Sammi farms, radios shouldn't bother you much.
-STEELE =)
Allied to all sides so that no matter what, I'll come out on top!
Oh, and Crimson demands you play this arc-> Twisted Knives (MA Arc #397769)
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I actually wrote a story for the samarui mission. It's just noone bothers to READ it. As noone bothers to read ANY mission anymore. Cause every mission both AE and Regular missions are the same. Go in, kill everyone (maybe click on some glowies) and exit mission. There is no need to read the mission breifing or clues or anything b/c you do the same thing over and over again. It would be nice if they threw in some puzzles that you have to solve to finish the mission instead of just clicking "next" or closing windows to continue on.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
You should come to virtue. We do MULTIPLE hami raids almost EVERY NIGHT (divided between redside/blueside, naturally)
The devs havn't abandoned bases, but it IS on the back burner right now. War Witch has noted she'd like to give bases love sometime after I19, iirc. And as for "nothing left", you should try actual STORYs in AE. Yeah, a lot of them won't give max influence because of all the nerfs (which were only there to begin with because of samarai farms and the like, funny how that works!), but it'll be something new and different. play a few then roll your tickets and sell your drops. Boom, instant influence. Of course, if you want purples, run radios in PI. One or two should drop eventually. And since you're so in love with your story-less Sammi farms, radios shouldn't bother you much. |
There have been some cool experiments with creating puzzles you have to read. Essentially, 'pick X, don't pick Y, or a horde of horribly overpowered ambushes will appear and nail you to the wall.'
I was going to try that out with 'alarm system' schtick.
Yea about how they nerfed AE they really did go to far this time i was hoping to Power Level on of my friends because his old account was hacked and lost all of his 50s including all of his purples... And now they nerf AE before I can start PLing my friend they did go to far this time, im not trying to be mean to the developers because its still cool how they made the AE for people to create there own mission. This AE nerf that started today really did go to far, my friend was only getting 1exp!!! I was really upset when he said that because now i can't PL him and almost all the farms on the villian side are groups i have little resistant too. Now all I can do is just hope its just a bug going on instead of the developers nefed AE, Once again just for the developers to know i am not trying to be mean.
last post made me laugh, AE isnt meant for PL lol.
Learn to play the game not to farm :P
Congrats to devs on annoying these people, hopefully they will sort it permanently.
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Originally Posted by crazy local
Yea about how they nerfed AE they really did go to far this time i was hoping to Power Level on of my friends because his old account was hacked and lost all of his 50s including all of his purples...
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And if your mission got nailed by this nerf, it means that you had a number of buffing / debuffing allies in your "farm story" that trivialized the enemies. You exploited the system to break the math of the game.|
Originally Posted by MLEdelen
No, the xp was cut down abit, but at the time I was still getting 10k-15k a person, twice.
I recreated the samauri mission with an actually storyline for the mission. And if the devs think I was trying to make a farm mission, I wasn't. There are many comics and cartoons where the heroes were fighting villains that would get back up after they were knocked down. |
And those same comic stories don't have Batman backed up by bunches of guys throwing forcefields around him so that they can't hit him or nailing them with radiation so that they are weaker than kittens so that he can beat them down repeatedly for PHAT LEWTZ. This would be the equivalent of Batman fighting enemies that conned gray to him, something to pass the time, and not something that he gains experience from. In those stories you so cavalierly reference, the enemies were a threat before they got taken down, and usually become an even greater threat after they get back up. Unless your samurai farm simulated this, there is no comparison.
Even if your "story" was worthy of Shakespeare (or Bacon, depending on who you believe), you should feel glad that you weren't banned.
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And my Samauri mission managed to get 999+ votes and still popular. Until this ********. If they are gonna be so strict as to how we use the AE system. they might as well just take it out of the game completely? It was put in so WE could make our own missions and storylines. But WE can't b/c we can only create content the DEVS want us to make and nothing outside of that. So there goes originality. |
You don't get to cry that you don't get something for nothing any more. The Devs have a strict risk:reward ratio they have based the math of the game around. You found a way around that and abused it (rather than bringing it to the Devs attention). Now that the Devs have discovered how it works, they have closed down the loophole (or, made it unattractive for now).
The Devs cannot and will not allow the Architect to break the math of the game. We are supposed to be able to make any content we desire, within that math (and within the EULA). It is because of people like you who are breaking the math that the Devs have imposed the limits that are hurting legitimate creators.
You have no one to blame but yourself and others like you.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Lightfoot:
Not paying close attention, are you?
'Allies' includes anything that isn't an enemy, whether it's capable of engaging in combat or not. That rescue mission? Ally, XP hit. That ally that's set 'noncombat' and is there for dialog? Ally, XP hit. That object you have to defend against attackers? Ally, XP hit.
Next time before you start writing people off, maybe make sure you actually know what's going on.
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The OP isn't complaining that his legitimate story got hit. He is complaining that his Samurai Farm "Story," that he runs repeatedly for tickets and influence, got nerfed. No farm that I know of is packed with noncombat allies purely for dialog or escorts. If they have a destructible object, it is only for mission completion, and it isn't an "allied object" that enemies will attack.|
Originally Posted by Doc_Wormwood
Lightfoot:
Not paying close attention, are you? 'Allies' includes anything that isn't an enemy, whether it's capable of engaging in combat or not. That rescue mission? Ally, XP hit. That ally that's set 'noncombat' and is there for dialog? Ally, XP hit. That object you have to defend against attackers? Ally, XP hit. Next time before you start writing people off, maybe make sure you actually know what's going on. |
The OP is complaining about the loss of his exploit, pure and simple. He claims to have interjected a story, probably in some lame attempt to avoid the "farm" label that gets Architect slots locked, but he does not run and did not create the mission because he wanted to tell that story. I am writing him off because he deserves to be written off.
I agree with everyone who says that the current nerf went too far because of the collateral damage. My own stories got hit by this and will be revised come Issue 17. For now, they are being brought down until I can figure out how to keep the story elements I want and still have respectable XP. I have sympathized with you, personally, on other threads. I know your subscription has been canceled, and will be sorry to see you go. I hope you come back someday.
As for the OP, if he leaves, I couldn't care less.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Ahh... I take back what I said with express apologies. A bunch of threads and wasn't paying close enough attention. (redface)
Yeah, OP... well, I'm not sure how much I can say and be in forum guidelines, but... what you said.
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Don't work too hard. Dr. Aeon confirmed in the other MA forum that the fix was a rush job to patch up a longstanding exploit, and that they're coming up with a much better system for I17.
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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
I agree with everyone who says that the current nerf went too far because of the collateral damage. My own stories got hit by this and will be revised come Issue 17. For now, they are being brought down until I can figure out how to keep the story elements I want and still have respectable XP.
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Ok, now they have gone WAY too far. They have made AE to the point noone really benefits to use it.
You give us the ability to make customer critters...but if we don't make the CUSTOM critter exactly the way you devs want us to (which doesn't really make it all the customizable) then you take are rewards away.
I went in there today and was soloing a mob in the samuari mission at level 54 set for 8. I was getting one 1 ticket at a time, and was only averaging 1000-3000 influence. That is pathetic. Why waste my time with AE anymore.
AE is supposed to be our missions, our critters. But we can't make anyone the way we want.