Scrapper Patron Powers?

At peak performance? At peak performance a Brute will be at the damage cap where they'll do much more damage than a Scrapper.

IIRC, a Brute matches Scrapper damage at 80% Fury. At the damage cap they'll do more damage than a Scrapper.

Well, absolute peak performance would technically involve the scrapper being lucky enough to critically hit with every single attack, and I think such a scrapper would edge out even a damage-capped brute... but that's silly.

I don't do many comparisons of archetypes, so I may be missing something, but it looks to me that Leo G is right, and a Brute will do "a bit more damage" than the equivalent Scrapper if both are at the damage cap. So perhaps Silverado was disagreeing with the "much more damage" comment. It's not much more. It's just a little bit more. For 350% more of a damage buff.

Scrapper damage at cap = 1.125 damage scale * (100% + ~10% chance of critical) * 500% damage cap = 6.19
Brute damage at cap = 0.75 damage scale * 850% damage cap = 6.38

And I don't think this proves anything about which AT benefits more from buffs.

Told ya, Bill.

*rubs forehead*

I should have known better.

Brutes do a bit more damage than scrappers at 'peak performance' but not so much more that it's significant to go home and cut yourself over it, and it's difficult to get to 99% fury and stay there. That being said, it's fairly trivial for me to stay between 80-85ish with the brutes I've made. So let's just simplify and say they do roughly equal damage.

Brutes then also have higher HP caps, resistance caps, and damage caps (I assume to account for fury). They also get punchvoke, which I happen to like, so yay punchvoke.

And then darkest night plops it's big fat *** into the equation and I wind up *really* preferring brutes. Not that scrappers are *bad* at all, Brutes are simply *better*.

Fury is a love-it-or-hate-it mechanic. Personally, some of the most fun I've had in the game has been while I was frantically rushing along, trying to keep the bar from dipping lower, keeping it as high as possible. It's like an adrenaline meter for those players among us who love our Brutes. Your damage will be 'front loaded' after the first spawn, assuming you take the alpha and are not in a group of 7 Dominators.

On the flipside, I hate Scrapper criticals because Stalker crits are so much more fun and reliable. And more frequent. The randomness and unpredictable nature of Scrapper crits more often than not just ends up throwing off my flow and rhythm when something accidentally dies a little faster than I expected once or twice a mission.
I also hate the Defense mechanic, mind you. Dying to a random number generator is incredibly frustrating. Off topic, yes, but I'm just trying to explain my dislike for Scrappers. Either way I look at them, they're either squishy Brutes with random uncontrollable damage spikes as opposed to the reliable Fury mechanic, or Stalkers with lower crit chance and without all the other things that make Stalkers fun to play.

Say, number crunchers? I'm just curious, how much damage would a Stalker put out in comparison to a Scrapper, at 'peak performance'? Damage cap and 31% chance to crit, that is.

Unless my memory has eroded from alcohol abuse, 31% would be the hypothetical best case scenario.
10% base critical chance + (3% critical chance per team member within range of the Stalker's passive x 7 team members) = 10 + (3 x 7) = 10 + 21 = 31% chance to critical strike.

As I said, hypothetical best case scenario; if I recall correctly, the radius of the passive is comparable to Grant Cover (or was it Phalanx Fighting?), and thus you're unlikely to have the ranged toons on your team close enough to benefit from them at all times.

Nothing to add since it's all guesswork anyway... except to say that I like very much that this conversastion can happen. The idea that we can side switch to gain access to different powers makes me smile.

It should and so should Quills but for some reason they won't let it.

Oh yeah, I know it's a pseudopet Silas, I just think it doesn't make sense because you go all ka-boom, but I did write like I had no idea, sorry.

(Ok now I want a elec/sd Stalker to go boom twice and crit later lol, and to think the first announcement before open or closed beta included Stalkers)