The problem with Romulus (may be spoilers?)
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Posted on: 2010-03-26 07:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Manticore has stated that the Romulous Warshade and Romulous we fight in the ITF are two seperate people, they have no relation beyond having the same name.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Manticore has stated that the Romulous Warshade and Romulous we fight in the ITF are two seperate people, they have no relation beyond having the same name.
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And I wish we could get him to change his mind.
The whole thing premise behind Warshades is that they are reformed Nictus.
So why can't we have a Nictus we fight in a TF thousands of years ago reform now and become a good guy? What purposes does it serve to have them be two different guys?
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Seeing as Augustus is twelve feet tall and made of rage while Romulus the Warshade is merely six feet tall and is relatively calm, I'd say that there may be an issue there.
I'm also relatively certain that the 5th gave Augustus some Ubermesch treatments to get him to his current height. So unless those wore off after the several thousand years between then and now....
Also, how long can Kheldian hosts live?
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At least that long. Wasn't one of the modern ones around during the reign of the Egyptians?
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Originally Posted by DLancer
Also, how long can Kheldian hosts live?
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Maybe they have to be different people for some (as yet unknown/unpublished) part of the story...|
Originally Posted by BlueBattler
So why can't we have a Nictus we fight in a TF thousands of years ago reform now and become a good guy? What purposes does it serve to have them be two different guys?
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What if they are nearly the same but from different dimensions/realities and so not the same? What if the midnighters aren't sending us back in time (even if they think that they are) but are sending us back in time and to an alternate reality?
If that turns out to be the case, then maybe Romulus is a clue.
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The Kheldian itself was, I believe the host was new, however.
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Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
At least that long. Wasn't one of the modern ones around during the reign of the Egyptians?
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Originally Posted by DLancer
Seeing as Augustus is twelve feet tall and made of rage while Romulus the Warshade is merely six feet tall and is relatively calm
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Nobody wants to mention the obvious fact that Romulus is a towering Archvillain who takes 8 heroes to even challenge, and the Warshade with the same name can easily be defeated by a single villain?
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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Nobody wants to mention the obvious fact that Romulus is a towering Archvillain who takes 8 heroes to even challenge, and the Warshade with the same name can easily be defeated by a single villain?
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You should do as well when you're 1600 years old.
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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Nobody wants to mention the obvious fact that Romulus is a towering Archvillain who takes 8 heroes to even challenge, and the Warshade with the same name can easily be defeated by a single villain?
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It's been inconsistent as to whether or not having a Kheldian actually extends the human lifespan. It definitely increases that of the Kheldians themselves-- a Peacebringer who doesn't bond has a life span of about 10 years, a Warshade three ... when they bond, they're practically immortal.|
Originally Posted by DLancer
Seeing as Augustus is twelve feet tall and made of rage while Romulus the Warshade is merely six feet tall and is relatively calm, I'd say that there may be an issue there.
I'm also relatively certain that the 5th gave Augustus some Ubermesch treatments to get him to his current height. So unless those wore off after the several thousand years between then and now.... Also, how long can Kheldian hosts live? |
When I say that Romulus the Warshade should be the same entity as Romulus from the ITF, I mean that the Kheldian portion should have been once bonded to the human Romulus.
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Indeed. The same way Shadowstar has always called herself (itself?) Shadowstar.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
It's been inconsistent as to whether or not having a Kheldian actually extends the human lifespan. It definitely increases that of the Kheldians themselves-- a Peacebringer who doesn't bond has a life span of about 10 years, a Warshade three ... when they bond, they're practically immortal.
When I say that Romulus the Warshade should be the same entity as Romulus from the ITF, I mean that the Kheldian portion should have been once bonded to the human Romulus. |
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What purpose does it serve to have them be the same?
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Because there would be an arguably compelling story, possibly tying into side-switching, if Romulus Augustus somehow became Romulus the Warshade after 2000 years. Otherwise it just looks like someone screwed up and used the same name twice.
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Why is it a "screw up" if the name was used twice? "Romulus Augustus" is a historical figure, although we're pretty sure he wasn't involved with space aliens. "Romulus" is the name of one of Rome's founders in one of its origin myths and as a result is a not-uncommon name.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a world in which all characters with similar names were somehow related or connected to each other would be far more unusual than one in which some people happened to have similar names but were otherwise unrelated.
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Originally Posted by Duck Dim Sum
Because there would be an arguably compelling story, possibly tying into side-switching, if Romulus Augustus somehow became Romulus the Warshade after 2000 years. Otherwise it just looks like someone screwed up and used the same name twice.
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Well, maybe Romulus the Warshade and Romulus Augustus aren't the same man, but what about the Nictus inside them?
Romulus wasn't the name of the Nictus that possessed Augustus....
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Ah, but the Nictus that possessed Augustus didn't go by any other name but Nictus. So maybe that was his very first name ... |
Originally Posted by DLancer
Romulus wasn't the name of the Nictus that possessed Augustus....
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In addition to Penny Preston and Penelope Yin, there's also a Penelope Nemmers you fight in Croatoa. (Named Ghost Boss).
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Just so everyone is on the same page, from Manticore's Lore Thread:
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Question: What is the connection between Romulus of Cimerora and Romulus the warshade? Answer: Romulus the Warshade and Romulus Augustus of Cimerora have no connection. If some trick of time travel were to bring them together, they would surely be enemie |
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When two characters have the same name, chances are that it's probably just a coincidence. When two characters have the same name and *both of them are hosts to Nicti?* Less coincidental. |
Originally Posted by Venture
Why is it a "screw up" if the name was used twice? "Romulus Augustus" is a historical figure, although we're pretty sure he wasn't involved with space aliens. "Romulus" is the name of one of Rome's founders in one of its origin myths and as a result is a not-uncommon name.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a world in which all characters with similar names were somehow related or connected to each other would be far more unusual than one in which some people happened to have similar names but were otherwise unrelated. |
The (current) official word may be that they are not in fact connected in any way. But it still carries the gusting stench of either a naming flub behind the scenes or a storyline that was started and then abandoned.
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Or whoever was writing the Cimerora arc just forgot that there was another Romulus mucking about.
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Originally Posted by Duck Dim Sum
The (current) official word may be that they are not in fact connected in any way. But it still carries the gusting stench of either a naming flub behind the scenes or a storyline that was started and then abandoned.
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Here's a thing that's been bugging me and I've not seen much documented - searching here and the Paragon Wiki.
Romulus Augustus and Romulus the Warshade.
It strikes me that both those gents are far too alike to be considered separate entities - and then it occurred to me that many of Rommy Augustus' crew look like Longbow in Lorica. That was a kind of a "hmmmmmmmmmmmm" moment.
Given that when we first encounter Mr Augustus he's helping out the nasty fascists, it's ok for heroes to beat him up but somehow he seems to evolve into one of the good guys, or has be been duped somehow? Could this be some kind of "false flag" scenario - where he (or maybe even we) believe that we are working for one crew but in fact are unwittingly working for another?
Info about it seems very scant. Is there a resource that I've missed or are we simply left to speculate, or did Rommy buy Going Rogue a couple of [thousand] years earlier? (and how long did eh have to subscribe to do that?)
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