They will do that on defensive/stay if they get involved with a runner/flier/tp'er in a 'running' gun battle to the point they can aggro other groups and add to the frustration. It's part of the defensive more than the 'stay'.
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I prefer to put them in passive mode and then attack my target when foes where I want them.
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I prefer to put them in passive mode and then attack my target when foes where I want them.
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Good luck with the alpha strike without bodyguard.
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Good luck with the alpha strike without bodyguard.
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That's what seeker drones are for.
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My problem is that usually one of my bots for no reason at all will goto melee range to engage the mob.
It doesn't matter how far away that I am,usually it's the protector bot it will either engage in melee or turn and start bubbling the other bots while it gets killed.
I chalk it up to the same thing with the merc medic running to engage in melee also.
I look at bots as a primarily ranged with some melee attacks,but,running into melee for no reason is...irritating to say the least.
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I don't mind if the little buggers get shot up while bubbling their brothers. Running into melee is a tactic that is programmed into the AI according to some previous mastermind threads because it breaks up the enemy position. The only time I like it is when the tier one runs in and then squeezes off his snipe shot right in the face of some CoT defender or other helpless minion.
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Originally Posted by The_Larker
My problem is that usually one of my bots for no reason at all will goto melee range to engage the mob.
It doesn't matter how far away that I am,usually it's the protector bot it will either engage in melee or turn and start bubbling the other bots while it gets killed. I chalk it up to the same thing with the merc medic running to engage in melee also. I look at bots as a primarily ranged with some melee attacks,but,running into melee for no reason is...irritating to say the least. |
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Running into melee is a tactic that is programmed into the AI according to some previous mastermind threads because it breaks up the enemy position.
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Could you elaborate a bit more on that please?
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Steamroller them all! 
But yeah, AI can choose any random moment to spaz out, sadly. Thats life (and electronics)
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Yeah OK I use this tactic in conjunction with corner pulling when I have all my traps set up and I usually get away with it (99 times out of 100). If it is just a small group I would charge in with BG mode.
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Good luck with the alpha strike without bodyguard.
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Look at how the devs coded the AI of the spectral demons. It seems that one of the pack usually tries to flank you so that your team doesn't concentrate your attacks and AoEs on the main group. In a thread I cannot seem to necropost on the mastermind board, a player with purported military experience said this is a known tactic.
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Could you elaborate a bit more on that please?
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Look at how the devs coded the AI of the spectral demons.
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On both my Bots/Dark and my Mercs/Traps I find myself abusing the crap out of numpad binds to throw wayward pets into passive/back to defensive to keep them from running past (and negating) the field of death, be it a Tar Patch or Caltrops/Acid Mortar/Poison Trap
On a few of my solo av fights my protector bots running into to melee range is the only thing that made it a challenge.
Vs Recluse and Statesman, not so much.
It gets really anoying most of the time when you are trying to solo an av with a high damage PBAoe (which is most of them) or soloing +1/+6 mobs.
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I understand the reason for running into melee is due to them running out of ranged attacks, so the next attack they try and queue is a melee attack. By the time they get into melee range however the ranged attack is back again and they shoot the enemy in the face (Or die to a footstomp).
I would have expected the recharge 'fix' to address the issue but either the above is wrong (And I am sure it was dev confirmed at some point) or the bots don't quite have full attack chains on standard recharge.
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Good friend of mine, while leveling her Bots/Traps:
"I'm starting to think someone secretly installed Windows ME on my second Protector bot." On both my Bots/Dark and my Mercs/Traps I find myself abusing the crap out of numpad binds to throw wayward pets into passive/back to defensive to keep them from running past (and negating) the field of death, be it a Tar Patch or Caltrops/Acid Mortar/Poison Trap |
It's true, so very true :P
Fortunately, I tend to lob my pets like armed ICBMs at mobs. In the case of Detonator, literally. I love that power.
Being Bots/Traps I tend to be in the scrum anyway, dropping poison trap/trip mine combo right in the heart of a mob, letting the soft cap def do the rest of the work
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This would be more understandable if protector bots actually had a melee attack.
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Originally Posted by PrincessDarkstar
I understand the reason for running into melee is due to them running out of ranged attacks, so the next attack they try and queue is a melee attack. By the time they get into melee range however the ranged attack is back again and they shoot the enemy in the face (Or die to a footstomp).
I would have expected the recharge 'fix' to address the issue but either the above is wrong (And I am sure it was dev confirmed at some point) or the bots don't quite have full attack chains on standard recharge. |
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This is why I always keep the (default) henchmen attack button on my primary power bar, usually at power number 4 (right by my index finger on the keyboard). You can cancel any chaotic activity you want just by telling all of your bots to attack a single target together. They have to drop what they're doing. |
Originally Posted by Psylenz
They will do that on defensive/stay if they get involved with a runner/flier/tp'er in a 'running' gun battle to the point they can aggro other groups and add to the frustration. It's part of the defensive more than the 'stay'.
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It helps that I give my MM a personal attack, so there's usually an enemy already selected for me to send them all after.
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I didn't think they did but mine sure like to run up to melee range then pew pew. If they could brawl or whatever I would be a lot less bitter about it.
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Originally Posted by Edana
This would be more understandable if protector bots actually had a melee attack.
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If your Robots are causing a mild irritation, you should consult a Dermatologist.
Also AFAIK Protectors run into close range for the same reason the Medic does: They're trying to attack with their heal.
Okay, so I've been playing a nice new Bots/Traps MM, and I'm absolutely loving it. There is one thing that's really been bothering me though, that is much more pronounced with Traps than I've ever noticed before. Why is it, that when I order the robots that I made (and theoretically programmed) to stay in one spot, they seem incapable of doing so?
I would understand if they'd run out of burn patches and such, for game AI balance reasons, but if I tell them to stand in a certain spot, shouldn't they hold formation and never chase down the enemy no matter what? These aren't soldiers or thugs or ninjas, they don't have minds of their own! If I tell them to stay put, they should freakin' stay put! If they get knocked back or forced to run away, they should run right back to where they were, or at least to within the area that the original command told them to go, shouldn't they?