Dual Pistols and Kin

I apologize if my search-fu is weak. I tried to find information on this and can't. I'm wondering if anyone has tried a Dual Pistol/Kinetics corrupter and how it fairs as a combination. Any must have powers...stupid Pistol tricks, or any other advice you can offer for the combo?

Just based on what I know about kinetics..its seems like Kin might possibly pair with Pistols very well.

It does! I have my DP/kin on the test server bumped to lvl 50. It's the first /kin build that I enjoyed using the repel from it, for soloing it's awesome and transference keeps your repel sheild up even in the largest crowds. Plus siphon power/FS helps out if you're one of the ones finding the DP/ damage lacking.

From what I've seen/heard, /kin and /dark are the most popular for corrs.

The number of AoE blasts makes DP very fun to use with kinetics. With transference you can blast forever until you break all your toys.

I'm not big on DP/Kin...if you don't take Repel it's painful. One thing I admit if you Fulcrum+Bullet Rain+HoB you will shed a tear. Hehehe

I like TA and RAd with my DP Corr.

I'm in the Corruptor forum right? *ahem*

My only Dual Pistols is a Kin, and it works out fairly well. I think the set will start coming together once I get Transference and Fulcrum shift, as I will not be reliant on my primary for damage mitigation, which typically requires I switch to a less damage Ammo.

The main problem the set has is that you occasionally get stuck animating when you'd rather be doing something Kinetics-y. However, being that my first character was a Broadsword/Regen scrapper, I got over this pretty quickly.

Chemical Ammo really benefits from Siphon Speed and will probably benefit greatly from Fulcrum Shift (again, I don't have it yet, but I rather doubt I'd be wrong). Chemical Ammo lowers the enemies damage (10%) with every attack fired at them. With liberal use of AOE's you can apply this to much of the spawn and lower all their damage at once, which can be very useful mitigation in a teaming or solo scenario. Siphon Speed allows very liberal use of AOE's. More AOE's means the spawn dies quicker. Fulcrum Shift provides a very powerful damage buff to yourself, as well as a -20% dambuff to the enemies. This should combine very nicely with Chemical Ammo to further obliterate their ability to do damage, while simultaneously increasing your own AOE power, which causes the spawn to die *faster* which also mitigates damage.

You can then focus Transference on a key target to further obliterate any damage done, and keep your pew pew going.

It's gonna be pretty damn sexy.

Incendiary Ammo is also very good. Basically you should ask yourself "Do I need to mitigate damage", and if the answer is no, you should switch to Incendiary Ammo for more damage.

Suppressive Fire is a pretty great power. It's a Stun with Lethal Ammo, and a Hold with Elemental Ammo. You can slot for either, but I prefer the hold. I don't have the numbers, but I was able to keep Lt's perma-held, but I couldn't get another application in quick enough to perma-hold a boss. Maybe once I have Hasten better slotted you could, but at this point I don't know.

The DPA on Executioner's Shot is pretty low, the range is very short, and the KB only activates while using Lethal Ammo. As I prefer Chemical Ammo for damage mitigation, and believe that Chemical Ammo+AOE is the way to go for damage mitigation in DP/Kin, I can't recommend it.

Hail of Bullets, DP's tier 9, is also pretty craptacular.

Everything else is pretty solid. I do find myself wishing Empty Clips had a larger radius at times, but it's still not a bad power.

Speaking as a level 50 DP/Kin:

Kin has two main things to offer DP: Fulcrum Shift makes up for the subpar damage of the set and with HoB can kill even-con minions; and you can stack huge amounts of -Dmg. You can essentially neuter an AV singlehandedly with Siphon Power/FS/Chemical rounds. Note that the DoT from incendiary rounds gets boosted by FS.

The drawbacks are that you are taking a primary with long animations and redraw with a very clicky set that plays best in melee. Get good at judging whether you can afford to risk the next few seconds attacking before clicking a long-animating blast.

Two powers that are skippable IMO on Pistols is Executioner's Shot and Suppresive Fire. From Kinetics I'd say Inertial Reduction and Increase Density. I'm working on a Pistols/Kin build at home, I'll have to post it up once I'm done.

I have played fewer corruptors than defenders soooo I usually fill the team buffer role, esp on my Ice/Cold -- but who can resist ice shields and heat loss? It sounds like a number are trying for good solo builds,and I am sure corruptor DP damage is superior to defenders. That said, teammates red-side will follow you like a long lost dog for your speed boost, transfusion, transference, and fulcrum shift. These are definitely TEAM powers. Kinetics build steamroller teams.

So again, I would suggest using the multiple build option for either team vs. solo, or even pre-transference vs. post-transference.

My kinetics have to answer the following aspects:

Accuracy (DP has no Aim)
Recharge (do I need Hasten?)
Recovery (how do I handle juggling levelling, stamina, and transference?)
Alpha strikes (how do I get in fulcrum shift range and survive that first volley?)
Bonus team powers (Leadership is what I look for usually, but there is the four Pool limit!)

Agreed with Sant (I'd also throw Repel in there if you're going for a high defense build), but despite how subpar DP is, few of the powers in the set are obviously skippable. I skipped Suppressive Fire while levelling up and regretted it since on a set that has no burst damage and few debuffs I had a hard time with enemy mezzers and other single troublesome targets.

I never Take ID. That's bad I know but if you think of it between using ID,SB, Siphon Power, Fulcrum, Transfusion, Transference, Siphon Speed...when will you have time for your secondary and primary?

Concerning Executioner's Shot, I liked it originally but then began to actually find the animation quite annoying and the damage not great.

And Piercing Rounds looks MUCH cooler. Still.

My one question is am I still going to be wanting to keep Pistols in the build for the scourge? I figured I'll always have something to do on a high recharge build coupled with Siphon Speed and I wouldn't miss it too much, but I am in no way an expert on Dual Pistols.

Thanks,

Tux

you probably will want to keep pistols for the scourge. The first tier move is always a good back-pocket move for anytime it's needed, for instance my Fire/DM corr still has flares at lvl 50 because it's always up when i need to take out that last little bit of HP on a remaining mob but want to save the higher-damage attack for the other mobs with a full health bar.

Plus, even first tier moves, when slotted, can outperform higher tier moves sometimes, so pistols might actually do better in the long run as far as DPS goes where the animation for Ex-shot is longer than pistols. Haven't slotted them up yet myself, my DP/Kin only hit 20 last night. First tier moves are just good for us corrs in general as a handy power that's always up.