starting from the ground up, i'd say no.
if it wasn't to the insane amount of loot i've accumulated over the years here, i would not pvp in this game. ever since i13, too much of it centers around the haves and have-nots.
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Originally Posted by paranoir
starting from the ground up, i'd say no.
if it wasn't to the insane amount of loot i've accumulated over the years here, i would not pvp in this game. ever since i13, too much of it centers around the haves and have-nots. |
Zone is easy and needs no money/loot to enjoy it.
Zone is alot of fun for many people. Try it out Incredipoe and see how you like it. ymmv.
LOL@Paranoir's take. Haves and have nots....for zone....har har.
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Originally Posted by JonnyDeadSide
Zone is easy. You dont need to be a have or have not. Thats garbage. SO's are fine and you can be competetive, if you have the right build/powersets.
Zone is easy and needs no money/loot to enjoy it. |
I guess that's fair...however I would argue that if you've never had the most delicious cookies in the world, you don't really know what you're missing and still enjoy your regular cookies?
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Zone is alot of fun for many people. Try it out Incredipoe and see how you like it. ymmv. LOL@Paranoir's take. Haves and have nots....for zone....har har. |
2. i stand with steatoda, unless you're playing a regen or a non-squishy, even zone pvp becomes have and have-nots. a 1000 hp defender is gonna get shraked to death in two shots. a 1200 hp blaster with no recharge bonuses is gonna get raked by any half-built dom or corr and will never take down a built brute. the same applies to SO'd corrs and SO'd unaccoladed doms.
yeah, i guess you can partake in the 20v2 gangbangs that are zone pvp in freedom 90% of the time. an AR/Dark could do that. But sincerely, it's far more fun to pew pew people in other games if you dont have the loot already.
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GLHF PvPing successfully on SOs on Freedom if you're not a melee toon. Your average incursion into the zone, if the other side hasn't gone full retard or isn't getting camped at their base, will look like this:|
Originally Posted by JonnyDeadSide
Zone is easy. You dont need to be a have or have not. Thats garbage. SO's are fine and you can be competetive.
Zone is easy and needs no money/loot to enjoy it. Zone is alot of fun for many people. Try it out Incredipoe and see how you like it. ymmv. LOL@Paranoir's take. Haves and have nots....for zone....har har. |
* Get KB'd by that Troller/Dom/Defender you can't see because you don't have enough perception or KB protection
* Get mezzed as you're standing up
* Die before the mez wears off because you don't have enough HP to live through the spike
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It isn't unless you have a group of friends you can just log in and shoot the crap with; it then becomes somewhat tolerable to enjoyable.
You can have fun in zones, I guess, but you definitely want you Fire/Regen or something survivable.
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Ive enjoyed the pvp in this game since i started. Its not too bad im just bored of the whole game
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Not really. I'm a cry baby from I13 though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted by IncrediPoe
I played CoX for awhile but ended aorund lvl 30 because I was on a dying server. With server transfers here I was going to move everything to freedom.
Is the zone pvp good here, I dont want to do only arena pvp Is it worth investing the time, I used to play EVE, Knights Online, WAR, and Global Agenda I mainly play for pvp. Thanks for your responses |
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
It isn't unless you have a group of friends you can just log in and shoot the crap with; it then becomes somewhat tolerable to enjoyable.
You can have fun in zones, I guess, but you definitely want you Fire/Regen or something survivable. |
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
It isn't unless you have a group of friends you can just log in and shoot the crap with; it then becomes somewhat tolerable to enjoyable.
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It simply takes to much time to become respectable in PVP in this game. Based not only on the time it takes to build a single PVP spec char, then the time it takes to accolade it, then the time it takes to get farmed bye Vet? pvpers and then learn how to not get farmed. As Neuronia said with help from friends you can cut down on the over all time. But not my enough to validate the terrible pvp system this game has. If you can cut all these middle men with an account with a properly built char, and just focus on learning how to not get farmed, then its not bad. The game can be fun at times, but its not worth all the time, there's simply better games out there to invest in.
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I would not recommend this game to any of my friends, that is certain.
At least not for PvP. The problem isn't even really the ridiculously broken system, riddled with countless bugs. It's the fact that the devs have shown very clearly that they don't care about it. This means that it's guaranteed things will never get better. That's the real problem.
So no, I don't think it's worth it to get into this game.
I say yes, it is worth checking out. Maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. I say at least give it a try.
On Freedom Siren's is more balanced with smaller, more manageable battles going on than RV, and in that zone full IO sets are not at all necessary to be competitive (though you will eventually want them of course). You can go in there at 22 with SOs are do some damage.
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Accolades do not cost billions to get, so you can up your HP's without costly I/O's by accolading. This is often enough to handle avoiding a 2 shot.|
Originally Posted by paranoir
1. not paranoir. mf barrier, son.
2. i stand with steatoda, unless you're playing a regen or a non-squishy, even zone pvp becomes have and have-nots. a 1000 hp defender is gonna get shraked to death in two shots. a 1200 hp blaster with no recharge bonuses is gonna get raked by any half-built dom or corr and will never take down a built brute. the same applies to SO'd corrs and SO'd unaccoladed doms. yeah, i guess you can partake in the 20v2 gangbangs that are zone pvp in freedom 90% of the time. an AR/Dark could do that. But sincerely, it's far more fun to pew pew people in other games if you dont have the loot already. |
Hasten and slotting attacks with a recharge can aid in speeding up an attack chain.
20vs2 happens regardless of ones budget.
Getting loot in this game is easier than most games Ive ever played....by a large margin.
You have to actually try to be poor in this game. Money is easy to come by.
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Originally Posted by macskull
GLHF PvPing successfully on SOs on Freedom if you're not a melee toon. Your average incursion into the zone, if the other side hasn't gone full retard or isn't getting camped at their base, will look like this:
* Get KB'd by that Troller/Dom/Defender you can't see because you don't have enough perception or KB protection * Get mezzed as you're standing up * Die before the mez wears off because you don't have enough HP to live through the spike |
I've played plenty of SO'd toons in zones and had fun with them before I/O'ing them. Was I elite? No sir, I wasn't....not even close. But i was able to get kills, escape, and contribute. Performance indeed went up once slotted out with I/O's, but I was more than capable of functioning in a zone without a billion dollar build.
Also, all of the above can and does happen even with a billion dollar build, just not as often. While i know a toon will never perform with SO's like it can with I/O sets/bonuses, I still feel like you can have fun and contribute if you have a little skill on the respective toon your playing and play smarter than the average bear. It's always better to be a have than a have not, but for me, not having a billion dollar baby does not mean I will not contribute and not enjoy my experience.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Fire/Regen suks
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but I was more than capable of functioning in a zone without a billion dollar build.
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I play with SO's, but admittedly, it's mostly melee toons these days. Based on my experience (and I've PvP'd with SO's more than any player in CoH history most likely), I would have to agree with mac and barrier and say that no, a new player cannot possibly do well with just SO's. I can on SOME toons, because I've PvP'd more in zones than any player in CoH. But the OP is about new players.
I don't bother with my squishies anymore, because just like was mentioned, I go in the zone, one shark takes me to 30% HP, then a couple tier 1 attacks finish me off. Or I get kb'd/mezzed and die before ever getting a chance to take a single action. That's just how the game works.
Keep in mind, accolading toons is an extreme timesink and not something casual players do. It's not needed in PvE in any way, after all. So you can't just say "you don't need IO's, just accolades". In many cases, it's actually easier to make the money for IO's than it is to get certain accolades.
Point is...sure, a new player can "do well" in zones with SO's. Right until the moment where someone that isn't horrible at the game shows up on the other side and completely owns the new player because the game is specifically designed for that to happen.
They stated they changed pvp in i13 to set up a fix for base raiding which needed to be fixed for Items of power and the epic sf to return, but I have literally forgotten the name of that sf its been so long. What really happend was they changed pvp in i13, got like two compliments and pages of hate on the PvP forums (those people dont know what they are talking about though) and probly decided to forget about it rather than fix it. GR is just one big distraction to divert our attention away from base raiding, IoP's, and the other content that was supposed to make up for the games lack of end game stuff.
I avidly pvp'd before i13, tried it out once i13 hit and lost interest. Everything done to the game since has further assured me the devs dont care about pvp, this game is about pve, and thats that.
Of course, GR could already be bringing back base raids, IoP's, that SF I cant even remember now, and the dev's just took a while to materialize their visions as shared to the community.
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Yeah, not gonna disagree entirely here. However, even with Acro and 2-3 KB IOs you will still be sitting at 23 points (assuming 3 KB IOs and 2-slotted Acro) which isn't enough to protect from the most common high-mag knockback (Levitate/Lift, which requires 31 points with DR on). The problem with KB is that it's an all-or-nothing deal, which means that if you don't have enough KB protection, you're on your *** all the time. Honestly with the I13 changes giving the ability to have completely different PvE and PvP effects on powers, they should just bump Acro back up to 100 mag and boost the damage on KB effects that don't already deal high damage (the only real examples of this are Gale and Force Bolt - Levitate/Lift and Power Push already do solid damage in PvP).
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Originally Posted by JonnyDeadSide
Mac, I will very respectfully disagree, which I hate, because i normally do agree with you and respect your game knowledge greatly. But.....but...but....getting your accolades, Tacitcs, 2-3 KB I/O's(which by no stretch breaks the bank red or blue side), acrobatics, and teaming will take care of many, if not all, of the KB/mez/perception problems you might experience with many zone players.
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Where is my +kb protection acco?
and my acco booster packs.
Duel me.
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You know I actually thought of this thread 5 minutes into pvp'ing in SC today. Yes i'm just a crappy zone player but I have teamed with many new people trying it out. I almost feel bad for them when they get farmed by io'd toons. Whether you like to admit it or not there is a huge difference in fighting an io'd/acco'd hero and one that is not.
My best example would be to look at all the psi/em blasters when you play. 6(yes really 6) different ones today in a 30 minute pvp session in SC(i know lol SC). Its the same s*** when I go to the so called pro base camp zone RV. Check your combat log after the broken lag in damage hits you. Almost every one you get attacked by is filled to the gills with procs. The devs have created a game of have's and have not's. Sure you could put in some time farming to acco/proc/io but then you just become another guy that wins with his build and not skill(lol i13 go devs GO!).
I remember the days when heroes were out numbering vills and a couple good thermals would zone and change the tides even out #'d. Man what I would do to have my corrs healing/buffing back. I guess the same would go for a couple good emps.
Rant over sorry all
p.s. I'm not a fight clubber and don't do arena I guess it could be different in those cases.
So this leads me the the conclusion of don't waste your time op.
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Originally Posted by IncrediPoe
I played CoX for awhile but ended aorund lvl 30 because I was on a dying server. With server transfers here I was going to move everything to freedom.
Is the zone pvp good here, I dont want to do only arena pvp Is it worth investing the time, I used to play EVE, Knights Online, WAR, and Global Agenda I mainly play for pvp. Thanks for your responses |
Competitively, I went to freedom with the intention of competing and learning a bit more about PvP. The league rules turned my stomach so I left.
I'd say definitely give it a try.
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Originally Posted by ConFlict
Where is my +kb protection acco?
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I second this.
I played CoX for awhile but ended aorund lvl 30 because I was on a dying server. With server transfers here I was going to move everything to freedom.
Is the zone pvp good here, I dont want to do only arena pvp
Is it worth investing the time, I used to play EVE, Knights Online, WAR, and Global Agenda
I mainly play for pvp.
Thanks for your responses