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And you shouldnt be able to make a villain without being a.... villain. Or start off in Praetoria. You've been around 2 years, do you really like the AP and Mercy Island arcs that much? Your obviously suggesting this for concept, well use your imagination, plenty of people make things up for character concept.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
...because you shouldnt be able to get vanguard costume pieces without being a member.
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You know...let's assume you can't start a Brute in AP, with GR.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
...but I should not have to rationalize...
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You either have to start that brute in RI or PRAE.
Start it in PRAE, and just say he's not part of either fraction, and just there doing...HERO WORK!
TA DA!
Is it any different than all the other bios like that on either side?
The scrapper who's really a villain, only he's in Paragon vs the RI.
The BRute who's really a hero in RI, working against LR.
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Originally Posted by Seldom
I'm fairly certain the devs datamine what gets used or not. I'm pretty sure they can see what gets used, and what doesn't, with a hope that new development stuff gets used. What we're seeing is the developers putting in place a pathway that leads through new stuff. With these channels in place, they can both pull the numbers to justify expenditures, and use those channels to gauge the success of their new sparky. Do these points not make sense?
On the story end, there have not been heroic brutes until now. Primal earth is a world where certain types of heroes and villains exist, but they don't occur on other sides of the fence. The new stuff is in a new situation, one that allows the characters to make new choices. This bypasses the 'why didn't I do this before?' thing, as the developments in Praetoria and the changes associated with them had not taken place. They are linking new changes in the game to the new development in the lore. As such, to make new choices, your character has to participate in the story they've put in place for them. This latter point I have had qualms with. My villain, for instance, was a lone character who was never (and will never) be associated with Arachnos. Yet in the game she had to register with them, work for them, have them be her patron, and only then find a way to defeat them and be free. You are playing in their world, and they make design choices to help you participate in the lore they have put in place. |
Why should I pay for GR then?
I'm probably not going to buy GR.
If they added AT proliferation, I would most definitely buy GR.
As of right now, I have no use for GR.
Do you see how adding this feature would make the devs more money?
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They would have to lose more than 30 bucks before they began to panic for not including your suggestion
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Originally Posted by Vitality
I'm probably not going to buy GR.
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If you truly believe that...actually, your crazy for believing that.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
There is ZERO difference between you asking for what you asked for in the OP and me asking for tough without boxing/kick.
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ATs are the heart and soul of this game...Tough is just a power pool power.
To say those are exactly the same thing is beyond ridiculous.
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So you would rather not be able to have a Brute heroside AT ALL if you can't start the Brute heroside? Now you're just being childish.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
Ok...your good point brings me to my next point.
Why should I pay for GR then? I'm probably not going to buy GR. If they added AT proliferation, I would most definitely buy GR. As of right now, I have no use for GR. Do you see how adding this feature would make the devs more money? |
You can have your heroside Brute with GR. Not exactly the way you want it, but that's life. Rationalize it, hope the devs change their tune, but otherwise you'll have to live with it. Stomping your feet and holding your breath isn't productive.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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I'm not saying they need to panic because I won't buy GR if they don't add it.|
Originally Posted by CryoTech
They would have to lose more than 30 bucks before they began to panic for not including your suggestion
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I'm saying that I am proof that they will make more money on the GR expansion if they did add it.
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Your right, it does seem childish...but I'm just trying to prove a point. (I already purchased GR haha)
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
So you would rather not be able to have a Brute heroside AT ALL if you can't start the Brute heroside? Now you're just being childish.
You can have your heroside Brute with GR. Not exactly the way you want it, but that's life. Rationalize it, hope the devs change their tune, but otherwise you'll have to live with it. Stomping your feet and holding your breath isn't productive. |
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Then you won't be playing a brute on blue side.| I'm probably not going to buy GR. |
I, on the other hand, already have a level 22 brute waiting to run through the side switching arcs because I want to run the side switching arcs. As a bonus I'll have a worthwhile "tank" to play during those rare moments I feel like teaming AND dealing damage AND managing aggro.
To your point, the devs have obviously weighed the fact that some players will choose not to get GR due to roleplaying decisions and have obviously decided that such a loss is negligible and beneath concern.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Which point, that trolling is easy on the internet?
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Your right, it does seem childish...but I'm just trying to prove a point. (I already purchased GR haha)
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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So YOU say. But the more you post the the more it becomes obvious that your opinion carries little weight.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
If you truly believe that...actually, your crazy for believing that.
ATs are the heart and soul of this game...Tough is just a power pool power. To say those are exactly the same thing is beyond ridiculous. |
Be well, people of CoH.
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Even better. Now the devs truly have no reason to grant your wish.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Your right, it does seem childish...but I'm just trying to prove a point. (I already purchased GR haha)
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Be well, people of CoH.
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Hey, I'm just trying to voice my opinion and offer suggestions on how the devs can make this game appeal to all players.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Even better. Now the devs truly have no reason to grant your wish.
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It's obvious that some people do not want this feature at all...but there are still some who would like to see this feature put into the game.
You all can crucify me for suggesting this but it will not stop me from suggesting this.
If I think it would be worth it...If I think it would make the game better...then I'm going to suggest it.
Edit: I purchased GR for the Dual Pistols and the new graphics.
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What makes my posts trolling?|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Which point, that trolling is easy on the internet?
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Please tell me...because trolling was not my intention at all.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
What makes my posts trolling?
Please tell me...because trolling was not my intention at all. |
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Why should I pay for GR then? I'm probably not going to buy GR. If they added AT proliferation, I would most definitely buy GR. As of right now, I have no use for GR. |
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| Your right, it does seem childish...but I'm just trying to prove a point. (I already purchased GR haha) |
1. Are a liar who doesn't think people know how to read
2. Think that admitting that you are a liar proves a point (other than that you suck at lying and making points)
3. Defeated the purpose of your point by admitting you already bought GR
4. Enjoy jerking people around "haha"
This is why he thought you were trolling. I have to agree with him. You lost your point when you said that, sorry. You had a semi-legitimate point up until then, reposting in several threads aside.
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Originally Posted by Solicio
Okay--I'll humor you. First you said:
Then you said: So, you: 1. Are a liar who doesn't think people know how to read 2. Think that admitting that you are a liar proves a point (other than that you suck at lying and making points) 3. Defeated the purpose of your point by admitting you already bought GR 4. Enjoy jerking people around "haha" This is why he thought you were trolling. I have to agree with him. You lost your point when you said that, sorry. You had a semi-legitimate point up until then, reposting in several threads aside. |
Alright, I get your reasoning...I screwed up...but that doesn't take anything away from what I'm suggesting.
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Yes it does. You've lost credibility, which is a shame, because your ideas kinda, sorta, somewhat had merit before.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Alright, I get your reasoning...I screwed up...but that doesn't take anything away from what I'm suggesting.
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Originally Posted by Solicio
Yes it does. You've lost credibility, which is a shame, because your ideas kinda, sorta, somewhat had merit before.
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...how does suggesting that they add AT proliferation to the GR expansion lose merit because of two posts I made?
When I said/typed this...
"Why should I pay for GR then?
I'm probably not going to buy GR.
If they added AT proliferation, I would most definitely buy GR.
As of right now, I have no use for GR."
I did it to illustrate that some people will feel that way.
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The only thing you illustrated is that people who feel that way are hypocrites who will buy the expansion anyway.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
...but how do they no longer have merit?
...how does suggesting that they add AT proliferation to the GR expansion lose merit because of two posts I made? When I said/typed this... "Why should I pay for GR then? I'm probably not going to buy GR. If they added AT proliferation, I would most definitely buy GR. As of right now, I have no use for GR." I did it to illustrate that some people will feel that way. |
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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NO...I illustrated that adding this feature to the GR expansion can only bring the devs more profit.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
The only thing you illustrated is that people who feel that way are hypocrites who will buy the expansion anyway.
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I'm getting dizzy.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
I don't know...I truly thought my logic was flawless.
I thought this suggestion would only help the game not hurt it.
I thought this suggestion would only bring the devs more money.
I thought this suggestion added more options for gameplay.
I can almost understand some people saying that they would rather have the devs work on something else, as this suggestion is not important to them...but the thing is that this is important to me...what makes you more important than me...do we not pay the same subscribtion fee?
I honestly did not think people would be outright against this idea.
T'be honest, the lot of you slating him so badly is kinda sad as it is.
I see where he is coming from. I also don't think that AT proliferation will happen anytime soon. It might happen sometime in future, maybe if they make GR free the same way they eventually melded CoH and CoV, then ATs will get allowed on both side anyway.
Right now, they've put a lot of work into Praetoria, and with good reason. So, detracting from that and the side switching mechanic is probably not anywhere on their list of things to do. Understandably so.
The idea itself does have some merit. But not right now, I'd say. Let it lie for now, and just enjoy the GR goodness.
Concepts are easy things to bend to your will, too. My Ex-Nemesis Corr was meant to have full Nemesis armour. But, of course, the parts I needed werent available until level 35 (ITF), so I fudged that she hadnt managed to take her armour when she quit, and had to steal it back later. Voila =]
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Vitality, there's this amazing thing called "imagination". Some of us have been using it for years to create characters that don't quite fit into the mechanics we're given and stories/missions that weren't just what the Devs wrote for us. (This was before AE allowed us to make our own from scratch.)
Okay, sarcasm aside, my best advice to you, one roleplayer/writer to another: run through the required content as quick as you can and then IGNORE IT. It didn't happen. Write your own story. Put it up on one of the wikis. That is what your character, your hero, really did from 1-20.
Don't tell me that you're compelled to accept everything the Devs say your character does. You strike me as someone much too opinionated for that.
You have the power to decide your character's destiny and history. The official content is there to help you, not hinder you; when it conflicts with your vision, discard it. Instead of demanding that they change the game for you, change it for yourself.
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Sure, AT proliferation would be neat, and that's exactly why GR is coming to us players. But let's just take a step back and look at what would happen if we had AT proliferation straight away, shall we? Praetoria and all her shiny zones would become somewhat... empty and redundant, the moral changing missions would actually have NO POINT AT ALL to even exist. You say that people would still be able to side switch through the Moral Missions, but what would be the point when I could easily and with alot more haste just log out, remake my character, and log back in on the opposite side? I have just managed to side-switch without doing the Moral Missions. Tough if you have an RP concept but don't want to start in Praetoria with it, that's the way it is going to be.