Proliferate Archetypes

I am both against this, and I will be playing GR for more than the ability to bring an AT to the other side.

no that is not what we are saying. do NOT put words in our mouths. and your personal beliefs on what everyone would do is called assuming. that makes an (four legged borrow type animal) out of you.

But what about the reasons that have been stated is nonsensical? It's been brought up many times over why the devs seem to want you to proliferate through their new content. The response to which seems to be 'that makes no sense,' 'it's bad to make players play the new stuff,' and 'that's a bad idea.' This without explanation of why it is nonsense, why it's bad to have players play the new content, or what about the current stand is a bad design decision.

You have your story, but the developers have their own, and their own concerns. The arguments you have stated haven't dealt much with these. Hence the positions put forth by others of why you may end up going through the new game, should you want a shiny hero brute.

Too bad? We all have to RP some things in this game that it doesn't let us do. I have had to RP my namesake character as a hero because there were no villains when the game came out, then no Ice/Ice Brutes when villains did come out. I can FINALLY return him to his actual side once GR comes out.

I have characters that I have to RP certain aspects for because the game just doesn't allow them to exist otherwise, within the context of the game.

You will be able to do what you want. You may have to RP some of the first levels away, like the rest of us have all had to do at one point of another.

It makes NO business sense for the Devs to do what you are asking at this point of GR's development.

Alright...I can respect that...but why are you against adding AT proliferation to the GR expansion?

How does it make "NO business sense"?

They wouldn't lose any money...if anything, they would be getting more money.

Because it makes no sense to me, and I feel like it will be Dev time better spent elsewhere, and because I want to see GR before I start making requests of it, and because I don't think that it makes business sense for the Devs to do it.

get this through your thick ******* skull, we can proliferate the AT's as we chose to. i do not see what is so hard about that to understand.

edit: did anyone report this thread and the others yet as they are the same damn threads?

GR is a paid expansion. People will pay to be able to side switch (or to see Praetoria). If they give you that outside of GR by proliferating the powersets then it nullifies a pretty substantial part of what GR is about.

Why would they do that?

It's already been accepted that you shouldn't get this choice unless you've bought the expansion. So, with the understanding that you have to buy GR for this option, do you still object?

I suggested that they add the proliferation as part of the GR expansion.

and that makes it fair to those that bought GR how? please, entertain us with your vast knowledge of how this is fair, and how the devs wouldn't lose money.

Oh OK, in that case no, I could care less.

Wait wait wait. Slow down a second.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. (I think).

After buying the GR expansion, instead of having to run a character through Praetoria to get the hero/villain choice, you will instead be able to create a character of any of the ATs available to you (so you still have to unlock H/VEATs) as either a hero or a villain, starting in Atlas/Galaxy or Mercy as appropriate.

How does that cost Paragon or NC money? The option is not available to those that have not purchased GR.

Sharkers got a point here, you know how many rage posts would show it this feature was only brought in with paying for GR when techniqually you wouldn't need GR to experiance it AT ALL.

Gotcha, knock yourself out.

no, no miss communication. he is talking about giving something for free to people who do not want to pay for GR. I have read between the lines. i have absolute objection to this as it says to the new players who bought GR, "HA. you had to buy it while those of us who already were playing get it for free."

Your response is absurd. See how well that worked out for ya?

You want something the game will provide: a brute teaming with hero side archetypes. You are going to be given two ways to make that happen.

You want vanguard costume pieces: You are given a way to get them.

If your roleplaying stops you from using the options given to you to get what you want, there is no one stopping you but you.

You are to blame. You are at fault. There is ZERO difference between you asking for what you asked for in the OP and me asking for tough without boxing/kick.

I understand your desire. You won't get what you want any more than I will. Tough titties.

No, he's not saying that at all. He has, many times, accepted that it should only be available after buying GR. No one gets anything for "free". You want to play a Hero Brute, you're buying GR. The only issue is whether that Hero Brute can start in Atlas, or has to start in Mercy or Praetoria instead.

I'm fairly certain the devs datamine what gets used or not. I'm pretty sure they can see what gets used, and what doesn't, with a hope that new development stuff gets used. What we're seeing is the developers putting in place a pathway that leads through new stuff. With these channels in place, they can both pull the numbers to justify expenditures, and use those channels to gauge the success of their new sparky. Do these points not make sense?

On the story end, there have not been heroic brutes until now. Primal earth is a world where certain types of heroes and villains exist, but they don't occur on other sides of the fence. The new stuff is in a new situation, one that allows the characters to make new choices. This bypasses the 'why didn't I do this before?' thing, as the developments in Praetoria and the changes associated with them had not taken place. They are linking new changes in the game to the new development in the lore. As such, to make new choices, your character has to participate in the story they've put in place for them. This latter point I have had qualms with. My villain, for instance, was a lone character who was never (and will never) be associated with Arachnos. Yet in the game she had to register with them, work for them, have them be her patron, and only then find a way to defeat them and be free. You are playing in their world, and they make design choices to help you participate in the lore they have put in place.

By some, sure. But probably not as many would be against it due to there being the fact in place that heroes get their APPs automatically hassle free.

There is an existing lack of balance there.

There is no lack of balance concerning the soon to be existing pathways to side swapping.

This is neither here nor there. Neither you nor the OP have addressed the business/practical reasonings put forth as to why a player is sent through the new sparklies aside from some 'that's bad' statements. The story reasons are there besides, but those seem to have moved in the past when the practical did. (See Patron respecs.) This really does come down to making sure people use new stuff, for the oft repeated reasons in this thread. Will the archetypes be proliferated? Eventually. But they want to make sure the new areas get broken in before people go back to the recliner they're comfortable with.