A Question for I17 Beta testers with both Nvidia and ATI graphics available
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Posted on: 2010-03-01 10:21 in The Global Training Room Test Server
I17 Beta hasn't started yet. And if it had, and if there was an NDA involved, they couldn't tell you anyways. Also, there's still a good chance you'll be invited to the beta.
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Actually, I'm really only asking for an opinion without solid examples, which I doubt would violate NDA. It no more violates NDA than a beta tester confirming that I17 does in fact exist.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I17 Beta hasn't started yet. And if it had, and if there was an NDA involved, they couldn't tell you anyways. Also, there's still a good chance you'll be invited to the beta.
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As for my asking now, its because I'm a little absent minded, so I'm likely to forget to post this for several days if I remember at all.
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I'm not a hardware guru but I've been following this issue with some interest and here's my impression: for a given price point, you'll get better performance with ATI right now. The current scuttlebutt concerning the soon to be released next generation nVidia cards is that they won't change that situation. |
Originally Posted by steveb
Without breaking the NDA, I would just like to ask any beta testers who have access to both Nvidia and ATI graphics a simple question: on which company's cards does Ultra mode look better?
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I'm going to wait a month or two, since I understand that nVidia's new cards are going to be released soon and it's rumored that ATI may be doing a refresh on its product line. But ATI looks like the card to buy for CoH at the moment. Check out this summary from Tom's Hardware; it shows that at every price point, ATI is the card to get right now.
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I've been following the reports with pretty intense interest over the last few weeks myself. Right now, I am leaning toward ATI as well, but until the 400 series actually launches, performance is pure speculation. |
Originally Posted by Sardan
I'm not a hardware guru but I've been following this issue with some interest and here's my impression: for a given price point, you'll get better performance with ATI right now. The current scuttlebutt concerning the soon to be released next generation nVidia cards is that they won't change that situation.
I'm going to wait a month or two, since I understand that nVidia's new cards are going to be released soon and it's rumored that ATI may be doing a refresh on its product line. But ATI looks like the card to buy for CoH at the moment. Check out this summary from Tom's Hardware; it shows that at every price point, ATI is the card to get right now. |
If the 400 series vastly outperform the Radon 5800s (the GTX 470 will have to do at least 25% better than a 5870, and the GTX 480 would have to come close to a 5970), then I'll probably put off my upgrade until mid-May when the 400s will be more widely available and prices should drop significantly. However, if initial reports hold out to be true and the GTX 470 falls between the 5850 and 5870 in terms of performance (and only costing a ridiculous $100 more a 5870), then, in terms of price to performance, going with ATI become a no brainer.
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actually part of the NDA is not mentioning that you are in fact in the beta test. so were the beta test going on and someone said they were in it, that technically would be a violation if i remember right.
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Originally Posted by steveb
Actually, I'm really only asking for an opinion without solid examples, which I doubt would violate NDA. It no more violates NDA than a beta tester confirming that I17 does in fact exist.
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I think your allowed to at least say you're in the beta test - but no more info other than that.
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Originally Posted by TheDevian
actually part of the NDA is not mentioning that you are in fact in the beta test. so were the beta test going on and someone said they were in it, that technically would be a violation if i remember right.
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Nope. If you check the 'Closed Beta' info thats still on the login page of Test (at least EU side it is) part of the NDA is...well, I can copy it, can't I?|
Originally Posted by Shocktor
I think your allowed to at least say you're in the beta test - but no more info other than that.
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Ok, I can't, because copy paste doesnt seem to work with the window. But one of them is;
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The biggest trick you'll run into (once the beta goes open and things can be talked about) is what looks better on one person's system doesn't mean it'll be the same for yours.|
Originally Posted by steveb
Without breaking the NDA, I would just like to ask any beta testers who have access to both Nvidia and ATI graphics a simple question: on which company's cards does Ultra mode look better?
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• CPU will make a difference.
• RAM will make a difference.
• Display will make a difference (resolution, quality of the screen, etc).
• Drivers will make a difference (remember to keep those updated!).
I'm under the impression that Paragon wants it to look equally good on both chipset maker's cards (ie, no favoritism, no "sabotaging" the engine so the other guy's cards have issues, etc). So, hopefully, you'll be good to go with anything you get. Generally speaking the more powerful card the better things will look, but that's pretty much a given for most games (and honestly, doesn't answer your question).
I can tell you that the footage we've seen of GR has been done on Radeons, though. Positron's recommendations seems to indicate they've done a lot of GeForce testing already. We know that neither SLI or Crossfire are working just at the moment. In short? Hopefully you won't have to worry about it and you'll be able to go with your preferred card maker
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Darn. I've seen other in the past mention that they were in the closed beta on the forums, so I honestly didn't think that was a violation of the NDA.|
Originally Posted by TheDevian
actually part of the NDA is not mentioning that you are in fact in the beta test. so were the beta test going on and someone said they were in it, that technically would be a violation if i remember right.
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Originally Posted by Psyte
The biggest trick you'll run into (once the beta goes open and things can be talked about) is what looks better on one person's system doesn't mean it'll be the same for yours.
CPU will make a difference. RAM will make a difference. Display will make a difference (resolution, quality of the screen, etc). Drivers will make a difference (remember to keep those updated!). I'm under the impression that Paragon wants it to look equally good on both chipset maker's cards (ie, no favoritism, no "sabotaging" the engine so the other guy's cards have issues, etc). So, hopefully, you'll be good to go with anything you get. Generally speaking the more powerful card the better things will look, but that's pretty much a given for most games (and honestly, doesn't answer your question). I can tell you that the footage we've seen of GR has been done on Radeons, though. Positron's recommendations seems to indicate they've done a lot of GeForce testing already. We know that neither SLI or Crossfire are working just at the moment. In short? Hopefully you won't have to worry about it and you'll be able to go with your preferred card maker |
Honestly, I am leaning towards ATI at the moment based on the reports of the GTX 480's horrible thermals and power consumption (price is not my main concern, although I'm not likely to pay Nvidia's launch prices); but these are really only rumors at the moment and if reality proves to be different, then I will put off my upgrade for price drops if they come in relative short order (many predictions have the 400 series dropping in price as early as mid-May).
Well, there ya go! ^_^
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Originally Posted by steveb
Honestly, I am leaning towards ATI at the moment based on the reports of the GTX 480's horrible thermals and power consumption
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But hey, it's not out on a shelf yet, so everything is a lie to make you not spend your money. Apparently that is a bad thing to many people.
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My only thought is that there will be few if any beta testers that have access to comparable cards from the different firms, and so be able to answer your question.
Thats leaving aside the NDA issue.
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Direct answer to the OP, ATI's FSAA looks better than Nvidia's now. I suspect this will remain true with Ultra mode.
Knowing that many of the existing ATI issues are supposedly fixed in I-17 means that for the eye candy enthusiast, ATI will be the way to go.
And just to throw this out there, I have two rigs at my disposal, one with nvidia, one with ATI, that will both support Ultra mode.
/giggity
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I was wondering what card you're using for your Nvidia rig?
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The 9800 is nothing but a slightly overclocked version of the same card.
Performance won't be great, but I'll be able to turn all the ultra mode goodies on.
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See, there you go. All you had to do, OP, is ask BillZ. :P
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I'm just hoping that my system -- which was pretty good when I built it 18 months ago -- will be up to the task. I've got an Nvidia GTX 295 running with an Intel Core2 Extreme at 3.0Ghz. The weak point is that it's 32-bit so I'm capped at 4GB RAM.
I have been told the GTX 295 is really two cards on one board. If that's the case, how will that be affected by the currently inability of Ultra Mode to work with SLI configs? Is the 295 SLI on a board, or wired together some other way?
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The 9800 is nothing but a slightly overclocked version of the same card. Performance won't be great, but I'll be able to turn all the ultra mode goodies on. |
I think I'm in the same boat. They'll turn on but not have great performance.
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i have been using the gtx285 now for about half a year and i love it. i dont anticipate any problems... but only time will tell.
Hmm, I just realized I also now have 2 puters capable of playing Ultra Mode... My old C2D setup with an 8800GTS (but only 2gb of RAM!) and my new i7 with a 5850 and 6 gigs of memory.
Yeah, bring it on.
How would a ATI 4890 fair? I'd like to be able to turn on all the bells and whistles and still have good performance. Would a RAM upgrade also be needed. I've got 3.25GB of Ram already.
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Originally Posted by Nurse Midnight
How would a ATI 4890 fair? I'd like to be able to turn on all the bells and whistles and still have good performance. Would a RAM upgrade also be needed. I've got 3.25GB of Ram already.
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Admiting your in the beta is considered talking about fight club.
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Originally Posted by steveb
Actually, I'm really only asking for an opinion without solid examples, which I doubt would violate NDA. It no more violates NDA than a beta tester confirming that I17 does in fact exist.
As for my asking now, its because I'm a little absent minded, so I'm likely to forget to post this for several days if I remember at all. |
Without breaking the NDA, I would just like to ask any beta testers who have access to both Nvidia and ATI graphics a simple question: on which company's cards does Ultra mode look better?
I know the I17 beta testing doesn't begin until tomorrow, but this question occurred to me now, which is why I'm posting it now.
I'm not going to be receiving a beta invite, at least not to any early stages due to having let my sub lapse for a few days a couple times in the last six months. But I'm very interested in the Ultra mode as I'm going to be upgrading my graphics cards in late March or early April; about the time I17 will probably be launched, which will roughly also be the time that Nvidia will launch it's 400 series and ATI should be launching it's Radeon HD 5890. I'll be grabbing high end cards regardless of company choice, so frames per second performance will probably not be an issue, but I just want to know on which company's cards does the Ultra mode look better on.
I know in the past, CoH has looked better on Nvidia's cards due to having been part of Nvidia's "The way its meant to be played" campaign at launch. But in recent months, CoH has dropped the Nvidia banner, and the CoH homepage is now displaying an ATI logo, which leaves me wondering if the Ultra mode will favor ATI cards, Nvidia cards or simply show no appearance/performance preference to cards from either company.
While performance on CoH's Ultra mode will not entirely influence my decision to go with Nvidia's 400 series or ATI's 5890, as I'm also heavily weighing in factors like cost, overall performance, power consumption and heat generation, but if the factors all even out, then knowing which of my games will simply look better on what cards can be come the tie breaker for me.