New Epics ATs on the horizon?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-02-24 18:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I think there might eventually be a couple of new Praetorian EATs that are unlocked at 20 
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New Hero ATs on the horizon?
I'm hoping for PPD. I would love to see them make a hardcore comeback as Player Characters. Maybe they could serve as a highlight for things actually getting better in the world (you know, at first).
Perhaps that rumored Blood of the Black Stream, too. There are only a few references to it in-game. One character in a Port Oakes mission yells at you about the oil that spilled out of the tanker in that zone, but nobody you're dealing with at the time has any clue about it; later arcs are delivered by self-absorbed blowhards, so you never go back to Port Oakes to investigate.
Hm... Let's see... What else could we do?
Perhaps members of each individual group. I know I'd like to give being a Vanguard Ranger a shot. Maybe even a Consigliere for the Frost Family.
Oh, and I would LOVE to be a Tsoo Ink Man. Scrapper powers mixed with controller secondaries? Hellz-yes!
The one thing I like about the Epics, though, is that they give you a little more insight as to the story that's happening. Even though the Redside Epic Archetype arc is so short, and it's broken up all across the level range (whereas the Kheldian arc is a long story, spanning several arcs), it still gives you an idea of just how volatile things are in Arachnos.
So... Those are my forty-five cents... Make of it what you will.
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
Rikti Epic Archetype for Heroes and Villains.
That is all.
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I would consider this very unlikely. The advertised intent of the end game content (from waht we've heard) is to provide methods to challenge and improve existing characters. Something like this would just make the game City of Tank Mages.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
New "End Game" epics will be characters who may have any powerset combination available - thus enabling people to finally build that Blapper, Blanker or Trapper that they've always wanted to make. You could potentially choose your power sets from any pool and mix it with any other so effectively making a unique character, given the choices available.
Imagine this: Choosing a blasting power at level 1, a debuff at level 2 and a tank defence at lvl 4 for example. How about this: Maybe you'll be able to make yourself a toon with great defence, great debuffs and just one or two attacks! Imagine a Sonic Bubbler with Nova! |
You will never see a free-pick build option for this game. Ever.
That being told, well, we do are getting a new AT that will branch out into resistance/pretorancopwhateva.
I haven't heard of any new Epic AT since the "spy" one hinted at in the player survey. I wonder if that is going to be in, a praetorian guard and resistance fighter, or just nothing.
I don't see how you make the leap from "We can now make custom AE enemies with out it affecting the xp they give" to "They're probably making an AT that can pick any combination of powers"
I don't see how those are related at all.
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Yeah, pretty much this. I think the OP totally didn't see the whole "Mission Architect improvements" heading above that line.
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Originally Posted by Clebstein
I don't see how you make the leap from "We can now make custom AE enemies with out it affecting the xp they give" to "They're probably making an AT that can pick any combination of powers"
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It's not that big of a stretch, if they can really hammer out that tricky "within game balance" bit.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Yeah, pretty much this. I think the OP totally didn't see the whole "Mission Architect improvements" heading above that line.
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Besides, a} pure speculation disclaimer and b} can you imagine the chaos if they announced the Incarnate archetype as an upcoming feature?
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a) Pure speculation, sure. But that is a gigaaaaaaaaaaantic leap.|
Originally Posted by Quinch
It's not that big of a stretch, if they can really hammer out that tricky "within game balance" bit.
Besides, a} pure speculation disclaimer and b} can you imagine the chaos if they announced the Incarnate archetype as an upcoming feature? |
b) Incarnate is an origin, by game lore, not an archetype.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
a) Pure speculation, sure. But that is a gigaaaaaaaaaaantic leap.
b) Incarnate is an origin, by game lore, not an archetype. |
Not that big a leap. It was, after all, the original concept of the game.
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Yeah, Scarlet, but it got scrapped for the very reason that it was broken. CO implemented it, though...and see where that ended up, with melee characters being of no use and tank mages being prollific.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Not that big a leap. It was, after all, the original concept of the game.
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Rikti AT, though? /signed
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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We had a similar conversation in Victory Forum global chat last weekend.
We have still not seen some of the long ago talked about ATs like Incarnates, Avilan or Blood of the Black Stream. I think there was another one was Coralax but I'm not sure how relevant they would be since they are all over CoV. Some are speculating and gearing up for new ATs by leveling one of every AT to 50 just in case (I'm looking at you Masque). I'm far too lazy to do that though. I do recall way back when (Damn I feel old) the original lead dev said that locking the new epics would not require reaching level 50; but just like him, that idea could be out of the door.
I'm speculating that since Incarnates received their powers from the well of Zeus, the new end game system will be some sort of epic quest to find and drink from the well, thus turning your level 50 into an Incarnate.
The great thing about speculation is if you're wrong who cares; we're just throwing out ideas anyway. On the other hand if you're right you look like a genius and can say to everyone "I told you so"... at least for awhile
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I would consider this very unlikely. The advertised intent of the end game content (from waht we've heard) is to provide methods to challenge and improve existing characters. Something like this would just make the game City of Tank Mages.
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Yeah. The whole "mix and match" concept of hero building is appealing, but IMO, it doesn't really work, as CO has proven to me personally. Why? Balance. You either have to make all the powers so very similar that in effect, they are all roughly the same and the only difference is the effect, or you can't control game balance and tank mages appear screwing up game play dynamics.
IMO, the more free form a game is, the more generic it has to be to remain balanced. In order to have play styles differ drasticaly there needs to be limitations in place for the sake of balance.
No, if anything, i'd say we'll see a single new epic AT for both sides at some point, tied to the new GR content. Maybe.... Incarnites?
(I hope i hope)
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So's Kheldens. It's both accually in a way. (Origin and AT.) So can Incarnates.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
b) Incarnate is an origin, by game lore, not an archetype.
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Not really. Kheldians are 'natural' because Peacebringers are naturally that way. Just alien.|
Originally Posted by KingSnake
So's Kheldens. It's both accually in a way. (Origin and AT.) So can Incarnates.
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Warshades and Nictus are Science because of the way they are created.
And, yeah, Kheldians. Not Kheldens.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Not really. Kheldians are 'natural' because Peacebringers are naturally that way. Just alien.
Warshades and Nictus are Science because of the way they are created. And, yeah, Kheldians. Not Kheldens. |
Semantics IMO. Kheldian is as much an origan, more so really, then "natural" and "science". The same could be said, IMO of course, with Incarneits. (prolly spelled wrong. My spellings bad. I've come to terms with it.
) Incarneit/Magic seems IMO to make the most since. (to me)
But, frankly, i wouldn't be supprised if we never see that AT/Origin. Or even a new one really. I'm just optimistic.
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It would be neat if they added Incarnate as an origin that is available to all non-epic ATs because then the incarnate origin would require a new set of origin type enhancements. Incarnates are really just more powerful versions of the AT they represent. Statesman is a very powerful tanker. Incarnate Enhancements could be more powerful versions of the ones we get now. Of course as a trade off Incarnate origin characters should not be able to slot Inventions.
Just a quick idea. No real fleshing out or heavy duty thinking involved.
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That's an intresting take on the concept. And a diffenet change of pace from the norm. Not a bad idea really.
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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold
It would be neat if they added Incarnate as an origin that is available to all non-epic ATs because then the incarnate origin would require a new set of origin type enhancements. Incarnates are really just more powerful versions of the AT they represent. Statesman is a very powerful tanker. Incarnate Enhancements could be more powerful versions of the ones we get now. Of course as a trade off Incarnate origin characters should not be able to slot Inventions.
Just a quick idea. No real fleshing out or heavy duty thinking involved. |
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Avilan got cancelled when they made wings available to EVERYONE.|
Originally Posted by EnigmaBlack
We had a similar conversation in Victory Forum global chat last weekend.
We have still not seen some of the long ago talked about ATs like Incarnates, Avilan or Blood of the Black Stream. I think there was another one was Coralax but I'm not sure how relevant they would be since they are all over CoV. Some are speculating and gearing up for new ATs by leveling one of every AT to 50 just in case (I'm looking at you Masque). I'm far too lazy to do that though. I do recall way back when (Damn I feel old) the original lead dev said that locking the new epics would not require reaching level 50; but just like him, that idea could be out of the door. I'm speculating that since Incarnates received their powers from the well of Zeus, the new end game system will be some sort of epic quest to find and drink from the well, thus turning your level 50 into an Incarnate. The great thing about speculation is if you're wrong who cares; we're just throwing out ideas anyway. On the other hand if you're right you look like a genius and can say to everyone "I told you so"... at least for awhile |
Before it was thought to be the only way to get the wings on a toon, was as an Epic AT. Now that that isn't the case, that Epic AT isn't needed.
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Maybe... We had always had the ability to fly and although the tech was given to everyone to be able to add wings via the costume creator; wings does not an AT make. That's almost the same as saying toons with tails would be a new AT. |
Originally Posted by BrandX
Avilan got cancelled when they made wings available to EVERYONE.
Before it was thought to be the only way to get the wings on a toon, was as an Epic AT. Now that that isn't the case, that Epic AT isn't needed. |
I would like to think Avilans as an AT would be more than just having wings; maybe angelic beings for heroes and fallen angels for villains?
Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
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Now instead, you can make a character with wings, pick and AT power set combo you want, and say it's an Avilan! |
Originally Posted by EnigmaBlack
Maybe... We had always had the ability to fly and although the tech was given to everyone to be able to add wings via the costume creator; wings does not an AT make. That's almost the same as saying toons with tails would be a new AT.
I would like to think Avilans as an AT would be more than just having wings; maybe angelic beings for heroes and fallen angels for villains? |
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Hax! |
Originally Posted by BrandX
Now instead, you can make a character with wings, pick and AT power set combo you want, and say it's an Avilan!
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Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
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Woah, wait a minute. I had a good idea? I need to post here more often instead of the suggestions forum. Thank you for the compliment.
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Originally Posted by KingSnake
That's an intresting take on the concept. And a diffenet change of pace from the norm. Not a bad idea really.
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Work in progress no more. I have decided that I'm going to put my worst spelling errors here. Triage Bacon, Had this baster idea, TL
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This is PURE SPECULATION but here's a thing I've been considering for a while that I thought I'd share.
We know there have been some vague hints at epics at the End Game content, nothing tangible at all.
But we also know that the existing Epic ATs, HEATS and VEATS will be unlockable at 20 with I17.
That got me thinking along a certain path, and then reading this got me thinking more:
So here's my thought in a nutshell;
New "End Game" epics will be characters who may have any powerset combination available - thus enabling people to finally build that Blapper, Blanker or Trapper that they've always wanted to make. You could potentially choose your power sets from any pool and mix it with any other so effectively making a unique character, given the choices available.
Imagine this: Choosing a blasting power at level 1, a debuff at level 2 and a tank defence at lvl 4 for example. How about this: Maybe you'll be able to make yourself a toon with great defence, great debuffs and just one or two attacks! Imagine a Sonic Bubbler with Nova!
The possibilities are endless, and would give rise to new power set combos like dual pistols and broadswords for the ultimate blapper, and it seems to me that this is a direction in which the game is moving. Whether existing characters could (or would want) to change in that manner is debateable - and balance is going to be key to make this successful, but it does seem that it's an original concept that the Dev team are slowly revisiting, step by step.
Thelonious Monk