What are the chances we will get more than just 2 new powersets in GR?
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Posted on: 2010-02-22 15:41 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I've lost interest only because they made the mistake of announcing the damn thing, like, a year ahead of schedule, and I'm a bit too level-headed to maintain excitement for more than, like, a week. I just sloshes over the side, you see. Knowing about things in advance just makes me get used to the excitement in advance, so what could have been "Oh, sweet Jesus! I love this!" turns into "Oh, it's time for that? Good, I guess. Give it here." It'll still improve my game, I just won't be as excited about it.|
Originally Posted by Acemace
Sorta bordering on lost interest, so, who knows. I'd be surprised if a lot of the vets are really floored by GR, though I'm sure it will be enjoyable.
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That colours my expectations for Going Rogue, or rather my will to guess about it. Could we get new powersets? Sure. Will we get new powersets? I don't know, and there's no way to verify even if I were to take a guess, so eh. Suffice it to say that I'll be a LOT more satisfied with the game for a LOT longer if Going Rogue included a bunch more powersets. I don't get excited easily, but once I'm excited, I don't get bored easily once I actually, you know, HAVE the object of my excitement, as opposed to listening how cool it will be at some point in the future.
So I don't know what the chances are, I just know I really, really want them to be high. I'll settle for more proliferation, though. Battle Axe for Scrappers would be ideal.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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I do and do not want new (or even proliferated) powersets in i17/GR other than DP and DS.
Sure I always like new combos/powersets but...that'd mean I'd have to buy more char. slots 
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Ugh, bad comparison. All four of those sets required a lot of fixing. (I suppose you could say they were a real "headache" for the Devs, if you're not worried about getting slapped. |
Originally Posted by Creole Ned
And yet they managed four powersets in Issue 5, which was delivered with no extra fee and only two months before CoV shipped. So you're suggesting with a larger and more experienced team they are only capable of doing less?
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) Trick Arrow and Sonic Blast still get a lot of hate in comparison to many other power sets, and Sonic Resonance was so bad that it was literally physically painful. Even Archery is now regarded by many as basically being one good power and a bunch of filler, and it's more popular than it used to be; its sister set, Trick Arrow, arguably has the worst balance issues of any Buff/Debuff set, in the direction of being too weak.I'd much rather have two good sets than another i5 fiasco.
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One ATs secondary is another AT's primary. The trend of late seems to be that new powersets are released for every possible AT at once rather than only a few. The obvious exceptions are Manipulation and Assault Sets but since those are for the most part mashups of other sets the trend has been to release them as part of powerset proliferation rather than ont heir own.
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Originally Posted by UnSub
As for the new powersets, I'm hopeful that there are more than 2 new sets. Powers are what let players create alts and thus stay attached to CoH/V. However, I'm expecting them to be secondaries rather than primaries.
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i7: Thugs, Elec Melee, Elec Armor. While Elec Armor isn't popular even today after the buff, Elec Melee is pretty common even now for farming. And Thugs is constantly battling with Bots for tops with MMs. Plus, as an MM set, a good comparison to what we're getting with GR.|
Originally Posted by Teeth
Ugh, bad comparison. All four of those sets required a lot of fixing. (I suppose you could say they were a real "headache" for the Devs, if you're not worried about getting slapped.
) Trick Arrow and Sonic Blast still get a lot of hate in comparison to many other power sets, and Sonic Resonance was so bad that it was literally physically painful. Even Archery is now regarded by many as basically being one good power and a bunch of filler, and it's more popular than it used to be; its sister set, Trick Arrow, arguably has the worst balance issues of any Buff/Debuff set, in the direction of being too weak.I'd much rather have two good sets than another i5 fiasco. |
i11: Dual Blades, Willpower. Two very good sets that took a lot of time to make (mostly DB). Both are still pretty common today, though DB not as much. WP is practically the tops for defense sets though. i11 also had a ton of other editions, rounding it out to a very large issue, all for free!
i13: Shield Defense, Pain Domination. Pain Domination isn't the worst powerset we ever got (it's not incredibly popular, but it's no Trick Arrow). Shield Defense however has a niche, and people use it for regular stuff as well as farming.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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They might release some kind of new epic AT or powerset that we haven't heard about yet directly related to the Praetorian content for GR. But because they've gone out of their way to go through closed/open beta cylces for Dual Pistols and (reportedly soon) for Demon Summoning I doubt there's going to be any other general powersets beyond those. Why bother with public betas for some powersets but not any others you've got ready to go?
Just because CoV offered up a bunch of ATs/powersets doesn't mean GR must do the same. *shrugs*
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I put the chances at about 5%. (I was going to say "wildly unlikely," but I remembered reading somewhere that people like to be given percentage chances when planning ahead, so there's your 5%.)
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To begin to speculate, we would have to know if this expansion will be on par with CoV? If we're talking a half-dozen or so new zones along with the graphical updates, it would seem a little disappointing if there were only two new powersets to make this a distinctive expansion. We know this is not intended as a stand-alone game, like CoV was originally intended, but the question is could it?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I've lost interest only because they made the mistake of announcing the damn thing, like, a year ahead of schedule, and I'm a bit too level-headed to maintain excitement for more than, like, a week. I just sloshes over the side, you see. Knowing about things in advance just makes me get used to the excitement in advance, so what could have been "Oh, sweet Jesus! I love this!" turns into "Oh, it's time for that? Good, I guess. Give it here."
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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1. yes i would love more power sets; likely? doubtful.
2. If its powerset proliferation i would welcome it with open arms. Likely? yes.
3. What i would really love to see are additional ancillary power pulls added to our current listing that would include new power sets... sonic, archery, willpower, psychic blast, dual pistols... likely? no, ive been posing this suggestion forever on the suggestions forums and not a peep from the devs.
but i remain a hopelessly hopful. :P
Ok, just to dig up this thread again - reading the details from the GR prepurchase I saw this:
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Now that suggests new powersets other than two already listed!! |
Spectacular Power Sets Choose from exciting new power sets, including Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Thats how I read it and understood it as well.
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Originally Posted by Tired Angel
Ok, just to dig up this thread again - reading the details from the GR prepurchase I saw this:
Now that suggests new powersets other than two already listed!! |
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Thats how I read it and understood it as well.
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And then on release they have DP and Hell Whip Epic Power Pools for applicable ATs and everyone is caught off gaurd! YAY!
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Originally Posted by Tired Angel
Now that suggests new powersets other than two already listed!!
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Thats how I read it and understood it as well.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think that's the only way it can be read
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Sure it'd be cool if there's going to be other new powersets in GR.
But I wouldn't let wishful thinking convince you it's a forgone conclusion.
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Define the word "including" in a way that doesn't imply more than what's being announced |
Originally Posted by Lothic
The term "irrational exuberance" comes to mind.
Sure it'd be cool if there's going to be other new powersets in GR. But I wouldn't let wishful thinking convince you it's a forgone conclusion. |
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I did, just a couple of minutes ago. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Define the word "including" in a way that doesn't imply more than what's being announced
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Perhaps, rather, define "new powersets". For example, "new powersets" for Corruptors could be, say, Dual Pistols and Poison. The promo statement remains true, but still no sets we haven't seen before somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Define the word "including" in a way that doesn't imply more than what's being announced
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True, but on the other hand while making completely new powersets a GR exclusive makes sense I would be surprised if they did a GR exclusive Powerset Proliferation. Obviously they could but from a PR point of view I think it would be a very bad move.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Perhaps, rather, define "new powersets". For example, "new powersets" for Corruptors could be, say, Dual Pistols and Poison. The promo statement remains true, but still no sets we haven't seen before somewhere.
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EDIT: My bet is that either they plan to include Electrical Control with GR or GR will feature new Epic Power Pools.
only DP and Demon Summoning have been confirmed, there have been hints of Electric Control, but no confirmation. My take is that any additional sets above and beyond those two are stretch goals.
I don't think this has been really addressed( and may be part of their stretch goals), above logic does indicate we may eventually see new Patron and Epic Pools, or they may just go the easy route and make the available epics and patrons based on equivilent ATs
I think the issue with Electric control is "How do they make it different from what's already in game?" I doubt the team would want to rehash existing powers from the existing Electric sets; taking a few from here and a few from there and combining them into a new set. I'd rather see something that takes a lot of time and thought and if different from what's already in game
I'm just hoping Castle makes good on his promise to take a look at Defenders and any changes will go into effect for GR (hopefully sooner).
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See I was thinking that with the epics but it kind of falls down when it comes to Dominators. You would assume that they would give Dominators the Controller epics but that would mean that Dominators could get Power Boost twice which the Devs wouldn't allow. |
Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
only DP and Demon Summoning have been confirmed, there have been hints of Electric Control, but no confirmation. My take is that any additional sets above and beyond those two are stretch goals.
I don't think this has been really addressed( and may be part of their stretch goals), above logic does indicate we may eventually see new Patron and Epic Pools, or they may just go the easy route and make the available epics and patrons based on equivilent ATs |
So they would at least to create some different yet proliferated Epics for the crossing over ATs
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