When and Where is Cimerora?

Sadly there's not hard fast answer out there in the game world about where and when it was. I *DO* have a posted question in Manti's canon thread and am hoping we'll get a real answer there soon. In the mean time, we can bat around ideas about Cimerora ourselves.

One camp in player base seems to believe that Cimerora was in Italy and set roughly the time of the real Romulus Augustus. This would make it set in the middle of the first centruy A.D. They will point to the Roman badge, that the story of Nictus Rommie is clearly based LOOSELY upon the story of the real Romulus Augustus, and the Roman looking armor worn in Cimerora.


PERSONALLY, I reject this theory. It's completely possible to use the historical story of Romulus Augustus as a framework but transplant it to a different time or location. The Roman badge can be explained as the Devs simply picking an easy name. "Spartan" could have just as easily been chosen but might have got Paragon Studios sued by Frank Miller and the producers of the 300 movie, lol. As for the armor... Well, the Immunes and a few others look far more like Spartans or Trojans. So I think the Devs borrowed from multiple classic cultures to create Cimerora. Likewise, Imperious is King of Cimerora and an Incarnate, not some minor official paying tribute to a Roman empire failing to aid him against a threat to them all. The biggest thing that makes me reject this theory though is Statesman's origin and the general canon history of the game world.

Those both say that the origins of power were locked away by Zeus and the gods at the end of the ancient age of heroes. Yet the Cimerorans are at least borderline superhuman warriors. Requiem's journal (clue given at the end of ITF mish 3) says they're the greatest warriors he's ever seen, and he's been beaten down several times in Paragon as well as creating his own genetically enhanced super soldiers, Vampiri and War Wolves. Like wise, the Immunes have magical healing abilities that rival an Empath defender with a very expensive build. If magic was locked away withthe other origins (or as part of the one general origin), where are they getting their healing abilities from?

There were a couple of hints dropped in Cimerora that the age of powers would be coming to an end in the future. The old woman on the hill and a couple of things said by the Sybils. That, the above info, and the fact that Imperious is an Incarnate and son of Zeus would say to me that the age of heroes hasn't yet ended. Going by real world historical generalities, the age of heroes (in Greece) was the time that the Illiad and the Odyssey were set in and pre-dated Helenistic Greece and Rome itself. So we're talking PROBABLY a few thousand years BC in my opinion if not potentially farther back.

Location is hard to pinpoint as well. Again, the Devs seem to have borrowed from a few ancient civilizations to create Cimerora. Because of that, I'd originally placed it between Greece and Italy. Looking at the map, it very well could be on the heel of the boot of Italy and be close enough to Greece to be influenced by it. Phoebas, the god that Sister Solaris calls upon for guidance, is clearly a reference to Apollo. Phoebus or Phoebus Apollo was how some Roman poets referrred tot he Greek god. The rest of the gods mentioned in the game are called by their Greek and not Roman names. Solaris herself is clearly modeled on Apollo's oracle at Delphi (Greece) as well.

At any rate, somewhere (almost anywhere) along the coast between Greece and Italy seems viable. I've even heard Crete suggested as a possible location that seems viable.


So what are your thoughts, people?

Wow, nice job mindlessly attacking one point with NO supporting argument on your part, AND ignoring the rest of my arguments SPECULATING where Cimerora MIGHT have been.

To be honest, I always thought that the name of the place was a reference to Conan the Cimmerian. You know how our devs just LOVE to throw in geek references.

But that's just a guess, and only a guess at the name at that.

Good a guess as any, and I've noted the similarity in names there myself in the past.

Also I need to correct something here:

I don't think there's an answer for that. I believe that the Dev team just borrowed ideas from different eras.

One key question is who is Daedalus? Are we talking about THE Daedalus, crafter of the minoan labyrinth or someone who happen to share the same name and skills? If it is indeed THE Daedalus, father of Icarus (which is what I assumed in my AE arcs, the tales of Cimerora), then he is immortal or extremely long-lived. Why so? Because Minos, the King of Crete who ordered the labyrinth from him ruled the island several generations before the Trojan War, which many ancient greek writers date to the 12th century BC. We're talking bronze age here, way way before Romulus Augustus or romans.

What is also written of Daedalus is that he arrived in Sicily after losing his son and built a temple to Apollo (or Phoebus). So Cimerora may or may not be in Sicily...

also, considering how advanced the society is (there stuff plus future tech) it could have been the Minoan culture off the ilse of Crete where the myth of the minotaur comes from. the Minoans are beleived to have been destroyed in a volcanic eruption that devestated their island.

From what I've read his point is not that Spartans were Roman, but that Cimerorans may not have been.

The title of this thread makes me wonder Where in the World is Cimerora?

And now I have it stuck in my head...

I consider Cimerora to be like "Nova Roma" from Marvel Comics myself.

It's south of Brigadoon.

Roman era. The mixing of Greek (Daedalus) and Roman names doesn't really mean much, as legions would be based pretty much wherever, and the Romans did colonize all reaches of the empire they could.

The main reason for this statement of time (and ruling party) is not just the Roman armor, but the ranks - which are Roman legionary ranks, positions, and the like, as well as the leadership names. As far as personal names, I wouldn't put Daedalus as "The Daedalus of legend," as names - well, get reused. OTOH, with the advanced "stuff" he plays with, who knows.

Being "excellent soldiers" doesn't mean they're superpowered. Just damn good soldiers. Take a bunch of US soldiers, for instance, and show them off to someone who's seen nothing but a local militia running around a field with rifles, and they'd be "the best soldiers he's ever seen." The Council and the Column are an underground "army," yes, based quite a bit on ideology, fractured leadership inside, grabbing recruits off the street - that's going to affect training. By comparison, going with a Roman army, you're going to see a *lot* of discipline - these people were in service for (as I recall) at least a decade, and HAD to work as a unit with the tactics and weapons of the time to survive.

Regardless, I'd say Cimerora is:
- Roman timeframe
- Somewhere Mediterranean (N - Spain through Greece, including the islands - "through Crete" works, not Middle East or N. Africa)
- With the devs playing fast and loose with items (female Roman soldiers, Cyclops, etc.) to make the area interesting.

See my Guides and Tutorials

It's a Roman Peninsula

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Cimerora

First line of the overview says so.


http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...ight_hour.html

Second Paragraph. Roman Armor, Roman Peninsula, etc etc.


Cimerora, is in Rome. Paragon Wiki says so, Official City of heroes site says so, the roman badge says so.

Also, the Immunes types, don't look like any real spartans I've ever seen depicted. Spartans from the movie 300 maybe, but real spartans had head to toe armor, the most advanced armor of their age. The 300 Spartans did not hold out on Xerse's army just by skill alone, they had some fantastic armor to help them out.

So there you go. Roman Peninsula. My guess is, around the time of the real Romulus Augustus, this is the City of * Version of his story.

It's a fictional area with fictional inhabitants loosely based as much on stories, myth and legend as on actual history.

And I always figured there's at least some underlying magic or similar plot devicium that allows Roman soldiers to stand toe-to-toe with superheroes. Then again, ordinary people are just badass in CoH world, considering the Warriors and Malta.

Seeing people repeat what I already said at the start of such a short thread makes me wonder just how many people have me on ignore already...