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Merits replaced the random roll. In fact, Merits are far, far better. You have to spend 20 Merits to get the same single Pool C random roll you got at the end of a TF before, and many of the TFs give far more than 20 Merits. Plus, you have the option of using Merits to purchase the specific recipe you want or need, so there is more choice, more value.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Why do we no longer have the option of a recipe at the end of tfs and sfs? Will we be getting this option back in the future as well as the option of merits?
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Another advantage of the Merit system -- longer TFs give more merits. It used to be that a "quick Katie" TF gave the same Pool C single random roll as a Positron or a Dr. Quarterfield. Now Posi gives 66 merits and Dr. Q gives, what, 120 merits? (It was 110 last time I did it, but that number has gone up.)
I did a Positron TF the other night, and got 66 Merits. That gave me three Pool C random rolls with six merits left over - while the old system would have only given me one Pool C random roll. Why would you want to go back? (Of course, all three were crappy recipes, but oh, well.)
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Yeah, clicking the 'random recipe roll' is actually the exact mechanic as the TF/SF reward gave. Caveat: at 20 merits, not all SF's/TF's give enough for this.
This is part of why the 'random recipe roll' is ONLY given at your actual level; (Or the highest possible if you are higher than that)....because that's the way the old rewards worked. To be able to choose what level the recipe is given would require new tech.
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Not only that, but I believe the pools were changed a few months ago (last fall?) so they have a higher chance of giving a commonly used recipe. So you are less likely to get something totally useless, though it still may not be worth much.
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Yeah, clicking the 'random recipe roll' is actually the exact mechanic as the TF/SF reward gave. ...
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Well it's been a very long time since i got a Sting of the Manticore recipe when rolling on my level 30 alts, so i'd say that recipe drops are definitely more in line with power availability. With the number of recipes and set types out there that still gives a good chance of receiving a recipe that you don't especially want or need, but it's better than it was. |
Originally Posted by Nights_Dawn
Not only that, but I believe the pools were changed a few months ago (last fall?) so they have a higher chance of giving a commonly used recipe. So you are less likely to get something totally useless, though it still may not be worth much.
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Whilst not complete, and still needs more data
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Random...ipe_Drop_Rates
gives a good insight into relative weightings.
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This is subject to debate. There is now a great scarcity of mid-range level recipes. When you got a random TF recipe, it was at the TF level. Now, when you take a random roll, it's either at your level or as high as the set goes.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
Merits replaced the random roll. In fact, Merits are far, far better.
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I don't want to go back. I'd like the option to choose a random roll or merits, like respec trials work.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
Merits replaced the random roll. In fact, Merits are far, far better. You have to spend 20 Merits to get the same single Pool C random roll you got at the end of a TF before, and many of the TFs give far more than 20 Merits. Plus, you have the option of using Merits to purchase the specific recipe you want or need, so there is more choice, more value.
Another advantage of the Merit system -- longer TFs give more merits. It used to be that a "quick Katie" TF gave the same Pool C single random roll as a Positron or a Dr. Quarterfield. Now Posi gives 66 merits and Dr. Q gives, what, 120 merits? (It was 110 last time I did it, but that number has gone up.) I did a Positron TF the other night, and got 66 Merits. That gave me three Pool C random rolls with six merits left over - while the old system would have only given me one Pool C random roll. Why would you want to go back? (Of course, all three were crappy recipes, but oh, well.) |
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Weird. All the respec trials i've done recently only gave me the option of a respec or merits. (Just merits if i already had all the respecs.) i can't recall one giving me the roll option since around the time merits were implemented.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
I don't want to go back. I'd like the option to choose a random roll or merits, like respec trials work.
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Random TF recipe wasn't at TF level, it was at the level of your character (-0 -3). That's why few people I know, kept level 43 toons to run KHTFs. It was maximum level where you can get Miracle+ as a reward.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
This is subject to debate. There is now a great scarcity of mid-range level recipes. When you got a random TF recipe, it was at the TF level. Now, when you take a random roll, it's either at your level or as high as the set goes.
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they don't. Respec trials allow you to choose between merits or a respec. Why don't they allow you to choose between reward rolls and recipes on regular tfs/sfs?
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Weird. All the respec trials i've done recently only gave me the option of a respec or merits. (Just merits if i already had all the respecs.) i can't recall one giving me the roll option since around the time merits were implemented.
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Well, you'd obviously never chose a random roll if you were getting more than 20 merits, so they only effect of adding a recipe roll chose would be to make it more worthwhile to take a random roll than to take merits in cases where the TF or SF gives less than 20 merits. In effect, this would be like setting a "merit floor" of 20 merits. I can't think of a reason why the devs would consider doing this after all the effort they went through to make sure that the merits reward amounts were properly weighted for each TF/SF.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
they don't. Respec trials allow you to choose between merits or a respec. Why don't they allow you to choose between reward rolls and recipes on regular tfs/sfs?
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Because not all TFs/SFs are alike. We learned this back when things did indeed give a recipe regardless. People could run 8-10 Katies in the time it took to do a Positron, and this skewed things so it became nearly impossible to get a team to do any but the shortest fastest TFs. It got to the point where it could be considered aberrant playstyle, very similar to the initial problems with the AE system and farming.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Why don't they allow you to choose between reward rolls and recipes on regular tfs/sfs?
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Things were changed to Merits for two main reasons:
A) the reward is based on average time to complete, and thus in most cases that means it doesn't matter which TF you do. The variety of TFs completed has consistently been greater since then.
B) Instead of being forced to pick a random roll, now people can choose to save Merits for specific recipes, or take random rolls. It means an added step (getting Merits, then going to spend the Merits on random rolls) but for most people its a vast improvement to be given that choice.
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Pretty much what Camper said.
All this would accomplish would be to bring back the 'quick Katies' and other speed run TFs, and it would be a bit silly for the Devs to make such a move after implementing a system which eliminated just that activity. There's really no need for a random recipe roll at TF end - for many TFs it would be to the player's disadvantage to take the recipe since he/she could get several random rolls with the Merits (and newer/ignorant players could easily be burned by this and rightly ask why the option is even there since it's stupid to take it).
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It's been explained above.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Why don't they allow you to choose between reward rolls and recipes on regular tfs/sfs?
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Why do we no longer have the option of a recipe at the end of tfs and sfs? Will we be getting this option back in the future as well as the option of merits?