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Hey there! I just began trying City of Heroes after trying my first MMO (Star Trek Online) a few weeks ago. I love the CoH genre and am really looking forward to getting into the game. But I am stuck, big time!

I'm a scrapper with an emphasis on science and my first mission is to clear the sewers of Zombies to locate a character. I get killed constantly. It's extremely frustrating.

My question is do I need to do these levels with more than one person, or do I just not yet get the hang of combat? I've been killed so many times without much progress that I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Considering how badly I wanted to play this game, that notion is such a let down. (I did a lot of research and reading on CoH vs. Champions and this one is wildly more popular and successful)

Any help or guidance anyone can offer me is greatly appreciated.


 

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Hey there! I just began trying City of Heroes after trying my first MMO (Star Trek Online) a few weeks ago. I love the CoH genre and am really looking forward to getting into the game. But I am stuck, big time!

I'm a scrapper with an emphasis on science and my first mission is to clear the sewers of Zombies to locate a character. I get killed constantly. It's extremely frustrating.

My question is do I need to do these levels with more than one person, or do I just not yet get the hang of combat? I've been killed so many times without much progress that I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Considering how badly I wanted to play this game, that notion is such a let down. (I did a lot of research and reading on CoH vs. Champions and this one is wildly more popular and successful)

Any help or guidance anyone can offer me is greatly appreciated.
Welcome to the game!

Which powerset do you have for your scrapper? You need to play strategically, you can't just run in head over head in large groups of mobs. Bah, I'm sucky at explaining... better wait for someone more pedagogical to answer your post. But if you type your primary and your secondary powerset it would be easier to help you.


 

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Hey there! I just began trying City of Heroes after trying my first MMO (Star Trek Online) a few weeks ago. I love the CoH genre and am really looking forward to getting into the game. But I am stuck, big time!

I'm a scrapper with an emphasis on science and my first mission is to clear the sewers of Zombies to locate a character. I get killed constantly. It's extremely frustrating.

My question is do I need to do these levels with more than one person, or do I just not yet get the hang of combat? I've been killed so many times without much progress that I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Considering how badly I wanted to play this game, that notion is such a let down. (I did a lot of research and reading on CoH vs. Champions and this one is wildly more popular and successful)

Any help or guidance anyone can offer me is greatly appreciated.
Ah the Vahzilok. The nastiest collection of early-on enemies going. My very first character was hideously killed by them over and over again too, I've never made a science character since!

There's a few things you can do.

1) Get a team to help. Even one or two more people may help.
2) Gain a level to help. The enemies will stay at the level you are now but you'll be that bit stronger to handle them.
3) Tweak your difficulty downwards. There should be a Hero Corp person in Atlas who will let you change your difficultly. Make it -1 and the enemies will be lower levels than you meaning they hit softer and you hit harder.

Good luck and welcome!


 

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Congratulations on making your very first character choose the origin with the very hardest low-level dudes!

I recommend trying another origin (natural is nice, Council and such, pretty easy dudes) to learn the tricks of the game. The Vahzilok and their zombies just...well...they suck when you don't have the resources to deal with them.


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Congratulations on making your very first character choose the origin with the very hardest low-level dudes!

I recommend trying another origin (natural is nice, Council and such, pretty easy dudes) to learn the tricks of the game. The Vahzilok and their zombies just...well...they suck when you don't have the resources to deal with them.
I second this. My main is science origin, and even though I was an experienced player when I created him I still got mauled by the Vahzilok. They really are the toughest enemies to fight when you are in the low levels.

The beauty of it is, you can create as many characters as you want and come back to that guy later when you have a better grasp on what you're doing. Learning how to play against easier enemies will help you figure out what you were doing wrong against those guys.

We can give advice geared more toward the specific powersets you chose, if you tell us what they are.

Also, try street hunting to gain a couple levels before running your first mission, it will give you a couple more powers to use, that might help too.


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Welcome to the game Zonk!! I had many of the same experiences when I first started. I remember standing in the train station trying to figure out how to get to Kings Row. My first hero was a Martial Arts/Super Reflexes Scrapper. Alot of people told me that I could have picked stronger sets, but I found some great guides in the forums, and decided to stick it out. Being a scrapper means you have to be quick and smart, and in the middle of every battle. It also means you will probably faceplant ALOT. But that's why I play mainly scrappers. We love running into a huge mob and pounding away. In the early levels you have to be quick on your feet, stick and move. Learn your powers and push them to the limit. Being a great scrapper is hard work, but well worth it. Above all have fun! It's a game. You can learn alot from teaming with more experienced heroes. Good luck!


 

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Welcome to CoX!!! Not going to repeat everything that's just been said, just wanted to extend a welcome

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I did a lot of research and reading on CoH vs. Champions and this one is wildly more popular and successful
You're off to a very good start

Also, welcome to the game and the forums

The zombie are probably the worst of the low level enemy groups - so if you need a hand, tell me what server you're on, and what time you'll be around, and I'll help you through the earlier missions.


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The zombie are probably the worst of the low level enemy groups
Yeah, especially as a scrapper, since you've got to get up-close and personal with them. Best way to deal with Vahz zombies is to kill them before they get close enough to spray that poisonous bile stuff on you, and as a scrapper you just have no good way to do that.
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so if you need a hand, tell me what server you're on, and what time you'll be around, and I'll help you through the earlier missions.
Same here, always willing to help a new player.


 

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You're off to a very good start

Also, welcome to the game and the forums

The zombie are probably the worst of the low level enemy groups - so if you need a hand, tell me what server you're on, and what time you'll be around, and I'll help you through the earlier missions.
Plus,if you pay attention to GG,like talk to her and send her chocolates and flowers.She will start to quake alittle bit and make "cooing" noises.


By the way welcome to the game and gl.


 

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my first mission is to clear the sewers of Zombies to locate a character.
Also, just to make sure, did you enter a small sewer map, or a very big one?
Because there are sewer mission maps, but also an actual sewer zone, with entrances in most of the other zones, which are marked on your map - so I was thinking you might have gone in there by mistake.


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Zombies hit hard but they may be the stupidest enemy in the game. If you don't see any actual humans around (reapers, mortificators) then it should be easy to pull one zombie away from the others, beat it to a pulp, and then pull one more.

The mortificators can resurrect the zombies. There's no point in killing a lot of zombies if a mort is still alive. Kill the mort first.

The embalmed cadavers go boom. That hurts. You can interrupt their self destruct sequence if you hit them, but that's risky. If you miss, especially with a scrapper, then you'll get a face full of boom. It might be better to walk up to them, say hello, wait for them to start their trembly countdown, then run away. They'll blow up, saving you the trouble of punching them.

You can also drop a mission once every three days by talking to the contact who gave you the mission.

Inspirations can also be helpful, though you can't carry many at low levels.

Good luck!


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Hey there! I just began trying City of Heroes after trying my first MMO (Star Trek Online) a few weeks ago. I love the CoH genre and am really looking forward to getting into the game. But I am stuck, big time!

I'm a scrapper with an emphasis on science and my first mission is to clear the sewers of Zombies to locate a character. I get killed constantly. It's extremely frustrating.

My question is do I need to do these levels with more than one person, or do I just not yet get the hang of combat? I've been killed so many times without much progress that I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Considering how badly I wanted to play this game, that notion is such a let down. (I did a lot of research and reading on CoH vs. Champions and this one is wildly more popular and successful)

Any help or guidance anyone can offer me is greatly appreciated.
A few strategies:

Pulling -- even if you are playing solo on a scrapper, you have a little bonus ranged power based upon your origin -- I forget what the science one is, since I usually play Tech, Mutant or Natural. You can target the nearest foe and throw your origin power at them, then run back around a corner. If you are lucky, only a few or even one of the foes will come after you, and you should be able to kill that one pretty easily. If they all come after you, run away to let them lose interest and go back to where they were, and then try it again. If you need to, you can run back to the door or to an elevator to escape the foes coming after you.

This is a common technique for groups too large to handle. Blasters and other ranged characters can pull more easily than Scrappers, but that little origin power lets you do it, too.Keep doing the "pulling" until the group is small enough for you to handle. Watch out for the Eidelons -- they can be tough. Also, be careful of the Embalmed Cadavers, as they are suicide bombers. Well, I suppose "suicide" is debatable since they are already dead . . .

Make lots of characters. Try out powersets that you think look like fun. Read the guides. (I have two linked in my sig. If you want to try out a Controller, I suggest you consider an Illusion/Radiation after reading my guide. Ill/Rad is a great first Controller, as it works well solo or on teams.) Some characters are lots of fun right away, while others get good later. Be patient, read the stories and most of all, have fun.

If you are going to make a new character, consider Tech for the origin. The Tech power is a little Taser with a short hold in it. And your initial missions are against Clockwork, which are more enjoyable than those darn Vahzilok. I hate getting barfed on.


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And don't forget, you can go back to the contact and drop the mission but get credit for it [but only once every three days.]

If I were you, I'd make a team. But I do this all the time, and really, in Atlas, making a team of lowbies is super easy.

I'd get a controller. Plant would be my most desired, followed by fire. Sometimes there'll be a higher level toon who'll babysit, healing your team. I've done this once and felt it was thankless, actually.

At low lev, I always hop on a sewer team. You'll fight the valshlock [or whatever] then Lost. I've gone in as a 1 and come out as a 10 before, but we had a team that really responded to each other.

And, if you're having trouble low, I'm guessing your broadsword, and definately not claw or katana.

Good to have you here.

Another thing you might want to do, get to Pocket-D and do some Ganymede missions to get the toga and sandals. It's only at Valentines.

Oh, and you can still pull even if you aren't a blaster by using your Apprentice Charm or other temp power. I always go Magic because AC is a dinky power that does big stuff. Lowers their def and dam by 20% for 10 seconds. As a scrapper, 10 seconds is a long time.

OH, and only slot accuracy at this point.


 

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Thirding the offer to help. If you're on the Freedom server (or you can transfer there, it's free)
Don't worry about transferring; if you're low-level, it shouldn't be trouble for veterans to make a brand-new character on your chosen server and catch up quickly enough to help you.


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I'd be happy to help also. Just send a tell to my global or gfriend me and i'll come over to where you are

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Just to expand on basic tactics versus Vahzilok: When solo each group of Vahzilok you encounter will usually be some mix of 0-3 zombies and 0-3 human Vahzilok. Total group is usually 2-5. The humans are faster, coordinate with the rest of their spawn and more perceptive, but the zombies are stone stupid and move fairly slowly.

If the zombies have no human handler you can generally pick them off one at a time and the rest won't notice you or what's happening to their buddies unless you're close enough to tap them on the shoulder. Best approach is to get each one's attention with your ranged attack and back away to destroy it where you won't accidentally bump into the other zombies.

In a mixed group the best approach is to take down the human handlers as fast as possible and back off until the zombies lose interest and start shambling back to their spawn point. Once the handlers are gone the zombies revert to being utterly oblivious and stupid and you can pick them off at your leisure.

If your health and endurance are running low there's no harm in running back to the entrance and exiting. As soon as you leave the mission the enemies lose interest and slowly start shambling back to their spawn point. There's no danger of the mission resetting unless you log off, select a different mission or join a team, so you can rest up, go buy inspirations and even go hunt enemies outside the mission until you're ready to go back in and finish them.

Vahzilok can be quite nasty at the lower levels, but with caution and patience they can usually be handled without too much trouble. They are definitely one of toughest enemy groups in the early game with their toxic damage and poison darts that slow you down..


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As Schismatrix said, the trick to dealing the Vahz it to understand that the humans are the priority targets. Without the Reapers and Morticians, the Abmoninations are stupid and near sighted. In particular, take out the Morticians at once. They can resurrect defeated Abmoninations. The Reapers shoot a crossbow dart that applies a slow debuff on you. Most of the time, a group of Abmoninations by themselves won't even notice you jogging right by them. Just don't stand still in front of them.

Another thing to consider, you can lower your difficulty setting. Open your mini-map (m) and look for a Hero Corps Analyst (expand the map window and zoom in if you need to). You can set the enemies in missions to -1 combat level relative to you until you level up a few times and get some more attacks and armors. Note, if you already have a mission active (ie you've gone into it already), you may need to reset the mission. You can reset the mission by choosing a different mission and clicking yes when the pop up asks if you want to abandon the current mission, then re-select the previous mission.


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OH, and only slot accuracy at this point.
I don't think you need to start slotting accuracy until level 10 or so, because low level characters have a higher to-hit number. You start out at level 1 with with a base 90% to-hit bonus, which eventually decreases to 75% by the time you're level 18 or so.

That means at early levels a single even- or minus-one-con trainer will put you over the 95% accuracy cap (if you're fighting even-con enemies, of course). At most you'll need to slot one accuracy. You'll probably be better off slotting damage and/or endurance reduction.

To be honest, though, I don't bother to slot anything except what happens to drop until level 12, when the to-hit bonus has dropped to 81%. Until then I save my influence and all my salvage and recipe drops. At 12 I start slotting level 15 common IOs. At level 17 I start slotting level 20 common IOs in new power slots, and at level 22 I start replacing those with level 25 common IOs as funds and time allow. Level 25 IOs are better than -1 SOs, and don't really cost that much more. You can keep level 25 IOs pretty much for your entire career and never really need to get new ones. I start getting IO sets in the 30s, and stay with them forever: level 50 sets pack a little more punch, but between the ED cap and frequent exemping, the difference is so minor that I just stick with IOs in the 30-39 range.

In the long run, getting level 25 common IOs is actually far cheaper than slotting SOs every five levels. Even if you swap out for level 30 common IOs (which are essentially the same as +1 con SOs), you will save millions over the course of levels 30-50.


 

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Hit and run attacks are the key.

The cadavers and abominations generally have a very short attention span and chase you for only a short distance before forgetting what they were doing. Also it's a lot easier pulling one of them.

Their human masters on the other hand, the Reapers, will run you down and aggroing them with pull their cadaver and abomination minions as well. The upside is they are slow so you may be able to defeat the Reaper before their buddies get within projectile vomit range.

Next are the Mortificators. They will rez cadavers and abominations. If you can keep them away from a fallen one for 10-15 seconds or so, by aggroing them, then they won't be able to bring them back.

Last are the Eidolons, they are bosses and hence annoying as all get out. Again the tactic is to separate them from their cadaver/abonmination minions so you will have the time to defeat them.

And they aren't zombies. Not technically. They are closer to Frankenstein in origin, they are not True Undead.


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Also, just to make sure, did you enter a small sewer map, or a very big one?
Because there are sewer mission maps, but also an actual sewer zone, with entrances in most of the other zones, which are marked on your map - so I was thinking you might have gone in there by mistake.
OO, that might explain a lot.
If you got the mission and went to the yellow or red star on the map that is the mission, You will probably be able to handle it with a little experimenting.

But if you saw the circle at the edge of the map that said "sewers" and went there,
That is way over the head of a single low level character.
That place requires a team.
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Oh, and also to suggest redside, we have cooties!
I knew it.

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Welcome to the OP, and yes the Vahz are rough for a scrapper at low levels.

Science is not the ideal first origin, but follow the advice in this thread and you will do just fine.



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Looks like all your questions have been answered, so welcome to CoX!