I use it for those times when I have no chance of surviving w/e,figure if I'm goin out I'm takin a few with me.
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i use it in combat sometimes. If you can trigger it before falling it makes a tohit check right then, and even if you're defeated before the countdown finishes it deals its damage to every enemy that was in range and flagged as being hit when you activated the power as long as the enemy is still alive. Doesn't matter how far they run between it being triggered and it going off, if they're still up and the power 'hit' when you triggered it Self Destruction will deal full damage to them, although i think the damage gets canceled if you zone out before the countdown finishes.|
Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
The mention of using Self-Destruct in the "The Most Convenient Way To Travel" thread got me to thinking...
1) Does anyone actually use this power for anything other than debtless hospital trips? I just can't see using it in combat - its long activation time means that, by the time a fight seems hopeless enough that you'll want to use it, you're likely to be dead before it goes off... |
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Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
The mention of using Self-Destruct in the "The Most Convenient Way To Travel" thread got me to thinking...
1) Does anyone actually use this power for anything other than debtless hospital trips? I just can't see using it in combat - its long activation time means that, by the time a fight seems hopeless enough that you'll want to use it, you're likely to be dead before it goes off... 2) If Self-Destruct gets the killing blow, do you get XP and Inf for it? |
1) yes. For me I use mish tp to get to the "eliminate the infected" mish on redside. then SD to get back to Kalinda and the next mish that's at that base. Even if mobs kill you while it's activating, they still take the hit because you set it off before they set off their attacks.
2) YES! My fave time to pull it off is at lvl 1. Run into a group of mobs when you have about half a level to lvl 2. BOOM! DING! REZ! KILL!
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There's a term called "Cherry Tapping". It can be taken as a way of defeating your opponent with either a weak, silly, or impractical attack, of which SD might be defined as all three depending on how you feel about it.
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Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
1) Does anyone actually use this power for anything other than debtless hospital trips? I just can't see using it in combat - its long activation time means that, by the time a fight seems hopeless enough that you'll want to use it, you're likely to be dead before it goes off...
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self destruction isnt exactly weak (at lvl 50 the power does approx 500 dmg +/- a little due to AT differences)|
Originally Posted by LostHalo
There's a term called "Cherry Tapping". It can be taken as a way of defeating your opponent with either a weak, silly, or impractical attack, of which SD might be defined as all three depending on how you feel about it.
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as for silly or impractical, yes it could be both of those. overall its more of a situational panic button power.
I feel Self Destruct was a total waste of my $10. It doesn't do enough damage to justify using it.
The last time I used it fighting +3's - it did less damage than my fire blast attack.
I have two characters with AoE stun self rezzes and I have self destructed to get some damage, then self-rez to get the full endurance and hp, plus stun everyone nearby. Sometimes I need the end/heal and just don't have the right insp in my tray. Plus, it's fun.
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Unfortunately, for me and, often times the rest of the team, I have a sg mate that I team with that seems to set the thing off as soon as it's charged up. Might not be so bad if they weren't currently playing a tank!|
Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
1) Does anyone actually use this power for anything other than debtless hospital trips?
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I'll use it every so often.
If I'm on a Kill # of X and there are a bunch of gray around, I'll rally them up and use Self Destruct like a Nuke.
I'm pretty good about knowing when it's time to run so I'm not in situations when I'm about to fall in the middle of a large group of foes very often. I'm more likely to fall way down the hall from a DoT that had just enough ticks left to finish me off. I guess I could use Self Destruct before that last tick, but I would feel kind of cheap doing so.
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When I duo with them, it means I have to be ready to make a run for it as soon as I hear the thing charging up.
It is a great feeling to be fighting the enemy as a duo and suddenly you are solo because your teammate blew them self up!
I've never checked the XP. I'll be reading the rest of the thread to see the answer to that one!
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Originally Posted by alexus_NA
I feel Self Destruct was a total waste of my $10. It doesn't do enough damage to justify using it.
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I like the emotes and the costume pieces in the pack. I think that was what it was really about.
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It will do the same damage regardless of which AT uses it. "Temp" powers use their own damage scale which isn't adjusted by AT, with origin powers being an exception, I believe.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
self destruction isnt exactly weak (at lvl 50 the power does approx 500 dmg +/- a little due to AT differences)
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
I have two characters with AoE stun self rezzes and I have self destructed to get some damage, then self-rez to get the full endurance and hp, plus stun everyone nearby. Sometimes I need the end/heal and just don't have the right insp in my tray. Plus, it's fun.
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Yah it's a sweetie when RoP or Soul Transfer gets in on it. Even my /WP Brute enjoys it, the KB gets everyone out of your face so you can resurgence and re-toggle and continue the beating.
I love eating a handful of reds first too lol.
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Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
1) Does anyone actually use this power for anything other than debtless hospital trips? I just can't see using it in combat - its long activation time means that, by the time a fight seems hopeless enough that you'll want to use it, you're likely to be dead before it goes off...
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Firstly, once you have triggered the power it *WILL* go off and deal damage, even if you are killed before the explosion.
Second, once you have triggered the power, it counts as you defeating yourself and you get no debt - even if enemies kill you before the explosion.
Finally, if you have a self-rez, the power is quite useful. My fire/fire brute loves it. Charge in, throw some AoE, trigger Self Destruct before the enemy can kill him. Trigger Rise of the Phoenix immediately after the explosion. Not much lives through that.
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I would agree if I had bought the pack just for that power. However, I would have bought that booster even if the Self Destruct was not included so I feel like I got a free bonus. |
Originally Posted by alexus_NA
I feel Self Destruct was a total waste of my $10. It doesn't do enough damage to justify using it.
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As soon as you activate SD, it's going to go off (and you're going to die without debt) no matter what. Even if you activate it when you have 1.67 HP left and you're in the middle of a pitched battle, it's still going to go off, and you're still going to be without debt.
So if you're going to die anyways, why not use SD? (unless you're trying to get debt badges, that is)
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Huh. Never noticed that. Of course, that's probably because I solo mostly and usually die in situations where the enemies don't wander off after they kill me, so I've gotten used to reflexively hitting the hospital button the instant it comes up...
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
As soon as you activate SD, it's going to go off (and you're going to die without debt) no matter what. Even if you activate it when you have 1.67 HP left and you're in the middle of a pitched battle, it's still going to go off, and you're still going to be without debt.
So if you're going to die anyways, why not use SD? (unless you're trying to get debt badges, that is) |
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And you get full rewards for anything defeated by Self Destruction.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
If you can trigger Self Destruction before dying it makes a tohit check right then, and even if you're defeated before the countdown finishes it deals its damage to every enemy that was in range and flagged as being hit when you activated the power as long as the enemy is still alive. Doesn't matter how far they run between it being triggered and it going off, if they're still up and the power 'hit' when you triggered it Self Destruction will deal full damage to them, although i think the damage gets canceled if you zone out before the countdown finishes.
Yes, it counts as an attack made by you even if you're defeated before it deals its damage. |
(Yeah, posted this earlier, but people keep asking again and again anyway, so i thought bolding might make it clearer.)
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I'd still like to see seven SD's go off to a packed mob followed by a Howling Twilight from team mate 8 
I frequently do the blow up just before next level on lowbie, and I have it as a panic button if I'm close to death. SOmetimes it even knocks enough mobs back to be safe taking a wakie.
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Originally Posted by Disappearing Girl
I'd still like to see seven SD's go off to a packed mob followed by a Howling Twilight from team mate 8
I frequently do the blow up just before next level on lowbie, and I have it as a panic button if I'm close to death. SOmetimes it even knocks enough mobs back to be safe taking a wakie. |
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I always use SD at the end of the first mission of the Lady Grey Task Force because going to the hospital means getting back to the contact quickly. Even if I'm not the team leader, I'll use it and then TP the team leader to Lady Grey. I use it on the clockwork ambush so it does a good amount of killing.
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And if you have a debuffer, you can always debuff their resistances first
My biggest issue with Self Destruct is when the team gets too effecient, and kill that one mob between you and leveling a second before Self-Destruct goes off.. XD
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The mention of using Self-Destruct in the "The Most Convenient Way To Travel" thread got me to thinking...
1) Does anyone actually use this power for anything other than debtless hospital trips? I just can't see using it in combat - its long activation time means that, by the time a fight seems hopeless enough that you'll want to use it, you're likely to be dead before it goes off...
2) If Self-Destruct gets the killing blow, do you get XP and Inf for it?