PVPEC League Rule Ammendments - Sharks and Lineups
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Posted on: 2010-01-24 06:52 in Everything about PvP
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Exactly the option to "scissor the other teams paper" still exists, if said team utilizes the option, bring line up that can handle this stuff
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Originally Posted by Supermax
I know how it works. Which is why I said "it's a big part of people's builds". It would be like telling a blaster that he can't use his tier 2 blast, but not to worry....he doesn't have to respec. Fact is, if you can't use sharks, anybody that actually cares about winning will have to respec into a pool they actually CAN use.
Either way, it sounds like I'm not the only one that has this opinion, and you guys are leaning towards allowing sharks, and just limiting stalkers. That really does make more sense. Few people will have serious problems with 1 total stalker spamming sharks, especially considering that widows can make the stalker close to useless for a whole match. |
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Half the Doms and Corrs in RV don't bother with kb protection. Thats why it was so easy for you.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
It was only troller's gale that was busted.
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Half the time Im there I wont even try to kill things, I just run around hitting them with power thrust.
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When you type I can hear your voice in my head. Its very odd.
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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
psi ems and sharks are realted...cuz since ppl cry that you can be killed by shark in hiber you can be ALSO killed by psi/em after being in hiber for 1000 years. The whole convo "omg shark killed me in hiber let's bann them" is just stupid just due that many other delayed powers can kill you in hiber also like shout, PB's TF etc. Should we bann those?
I agree on limiting amount of stalker per team. Realistically though 8 man stalker team would never win a match, 8 stalkers trowing sharks (3 sec duration hai) would die eventually if the team that is fighting them is not retarded. If team IS retarded they would lose regadless. pfft i would even throw taser dart if necessary to get kills for my team :P does Gale still have unsupressed kb? |
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I don't know why it was banned. I do know 2 things though. No one is arguing the fact so I am assuming there is something legitimately wrong with it. Also the other day in KB I had LR on me and had no powers up and could barely move for like an entire minute so I am going to assume its not non-existant.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
I'm a huge noob and I'm still confused as to WHY lingering rad is baned. Does PvPEC have a soft spot for Regen Scrappers? Lingering Radiations -recharge is minimal and it's slow component is non-existant.
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I have a feeling you had more on you than just LR, unless LR is acting differently in Arena than it is in zone. What were your Arena options set to on that KB?|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
I don't know why it was banned. I do know 2 things though. No one is arguing the fact so I am assuming there is something legitimately wrong with it. Also the other day in KB I had LR on me and had no powers up and could barely move for like an entire minute so I am going to assume its not non-existant.
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I'd still appreciate an explanation as to why Lingering is banned.
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I believe that it is only the Corr version that is causing such a problem.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I have a feeling you had more on you than just LR, unless LR is acting differently in Arena than it is in zone. What were your Arena options set to on that KB?
I'd still appreciate an explanation as to why Lingering is banned. |
Edit: I just tested this using both the Corr version and Def version of LR. Numbers:
Corr - 5 slotted Impeded Swiftness, 1 End; -15.3 mph Jump Speed, 42.97 ft. decrease in Jump Height, 34.77 mph decrease in Run Speed
Def - 2 Acc, 2 Rech; -10.74 mph Run and Jump Speed, 49.45 ft. decrease in Jump Height
The numbers suggest that the Corr version of LR is decreasing Run Speed too much. I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but I believe that is why they are considering banning it.
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I'm pretty sure this is true, I had two controller lingering rads on me the other day and outside having no Regen on my stalker (Which already has next to no regen) Powers were still coming back (A bit slower) But recharge was far from floored.
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Originally Posted by Pareto
I believe that it is only the Corr version that is causing such a problem.
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I didn't take a look at the -Regen numbers, as I had thought that it was due to the -Speed component of LR. I might have to take a look at that later.
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Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I'm pretty sure this is true, I had two controller lingering rads on me the other day and outside having no Regen on my stalker (Which already has next to no regen) Powers were still coming back (A bit slower) But recharge was far from floored.
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I thought the procs in LR were auto-hitting, but I could be wrong
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Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I'm pretty sure this is true, I had two controller lingering rads on me the other day and outside having no Regen on my stalker (Which already has next to no regen) Powers were still coming back (A bit slower) But recharge was far from floored.
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Well it doesn't have anything to do with the -Regen component, so maybe Empire is right.
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Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
I thought the procs in LR were auto-hitting, but I could be wrong
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wow that sure is game breaking.....only different is the run speed lol. I though you said silit that it was a HUGE diffrenece. Only reason i would use LR in a big match anyway is if the emp had Regen Aura going and even then.....i would not really waste my time.
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Originally Posted by Pareto
I believe that it is only the Corr version that is causing such a problem.
Edit: I just tested this using both the Corr version and Def version of LR. Numbers: Corr - 5 slotted Impeded Swiftness, 1 End; -15.3 mph Jump Speed, 42.97 ft. decrease in Jump Height, 34.77 mph decrease in Run Speed Def - 2 Acc, 2 Rech; -10.74 mph Run and Jump Speed, 49.45 ft. decrease in Jump Height The numbers suggest that the Corr version of LR is decreasing Run Speed too much. I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but I believe that is why they are considering banning it. |
I think LR is enough to floor the emps regen with regen aura going. I beleive it's -500% regen for corrupter version.
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No way you had just LR on you. You probaly had mage on his cold humping your leg the entire match.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
I don't know why it was banned. I do know 2 things though. No one is arguing the fact so I am assuming there is something legitimately wrong with it. Also the other day in KB I had LR on me and had no powers up and could barely move for like an entire minute so I am going to assume its not non-existant.
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it's a huge difference baddo.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
wow that sure is game breaking.....only different is the run speed lol. I though you said silit that it was a HUGE diffrenece. Only reason i would use LR in a big match anyway is if the emp had Regen Aura going and even then.....i would not really waste my time.
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one corr application = 3+ defender applications without counting DR.
2 extra imaginary rads = pretty damn broken.
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what are you talking about barrier. -10 MPH defender version that is not ehanced with slow....that was the base numbers. -34 MPH corruptor version that is enhanced. Your comparing the enhance version with not ehanced version. We need the base -run speed for corrupters to make any judgement. It's hard to say what the based value would be for the corruptor i can't honestly remember.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
it's a huge difference baddo.
one corr application = 3+ defender applications without counting DR. 2 extra imaginary rads = pretty damn broken. |
Not sure how many times people have talked about LR on a corruptor is unressisted. Same reason Poisio Ray on a dom is out. Its unresisted. =Bugged. People who think sharks and Psi/ blasters are the same are stupid. Yes some psi/ attacks will come through, but sharks does like 300 damage, not including if it crits. Add a Build up, and another stalker. Its a rediculous amount of damage. I hit Hoarfrost then hit hiber instintly, then got hit with like 3 sharks and died. Now remember thats a blaster at capped HP getting hit for 1600 damage when i phased. You people are stupid to think if sharks arent broken in any way, and to think that sharks should be allowed. You wont have to respec into a different build on a stalker, because you can still get hiber. But if you decide you want to be a stalker who needs ranged damage and cant land a AS. Then get a different patron and start MU Sniping people.
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Still like to read a PVPec official explanation. I don't care if they ban patron powers, you shouldn't be relying on patron powers as a handicap with the exception of shields. |
Originally Posted by Ry_Ry
Not sure how many times people have talked about LR on a corruptor is unressisted. Same reason Poisio Ray on a dom is out. Its unresisted. =Bugged. People who think sharks and Psi/ blasters are the same are stupid. Yes some psi/ attacks will come through, but sharks does like 300 damage, not including if it crits. Add a Build up, and another stalker. Its a rediculous amount of damage. I hit Hoarfrost then hit hiber instintly, then got hit with like 3 sharks and died. Now remember thats a blaster at capped HP getting hit for 1600 damage when i phased. You people are stupid to think if sharks arent broken in any way, and to think that sharks should be allowed. You wont have to respec into a different build on a stalker, because you can still get hiber. But if you decide you want to be a stalker who needs ranged damage and cant land a AS. Then get a different patron and start MU Sniping people.
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All a rad is, is a debuffer. They are banning one of rads most useful powers of its debuff trifecta?
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Here is the official word of the PVPEC being it doesn't seem to be clear.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Still like to read a PVPec official explanation. I don't care if they ban patron powers, you shouldn't be relying on patron powers as a handicap with the exception of shields.
All a rad is, is a debuffer. They are banning one of rads most useful powers of its debuff trifecta? |
NO POWERS ARE BANNED.
Team Leaders will vote on the "suggested" banned powers when the time comes to do so.
It has been stated many times over that what we came up with is not the final written in stone version. We are here to serve the pvp community and in doing so realize we have to take that communities wants and needs in to consideration.
From what I understand though Peril had been in contact with several team leaders already to discuss the suggested banned powers and that is why they were added in there to begin with. Just saying.
As far as LR being broke or not broke, I haven't a clue. Looking at what is being posted about it, seems like some are saying it is and some are saying its not. If its deemed to not be broke then I am quite sure the final decision would be to not ban it.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Here is the official word of the PVPEC being it doesn't seem to be clear.
NO POWERS ARE BANNED. Team Leaders will vote on the "suggested" banned powers when the time comes to do so. It has been stated many times over that what we came up with is not the final written in stone version. We are here to serve the pvp community and in doing so realize we have to take that communities wants and needs in to consideration. From what I understand though Peril had been in contact with several team leaders already to discuss the suggested banned powers and that is why they were added in there to begin with. Just saying. As far as LR being broke or not broke, I haven't a clue. Looking at what is being posted about it, seems like some are saying it is and some are saying its not. If its deemed to not be broke then I am quite sure the final decision would be to not ban it. |
Thanks for the explanation.
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I think it is still broken but i`m not 100% sure, it should really be tested.
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Originally Posted by __Divine__
It was only troller's gale that was busted.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
But what the hell isn't broke in PvP?
Thanks for the explanation. |
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Depends on your definition of broke. Based on what the Devs consider working as intended, most things are not broke. Based on those of us who remember brighter days of frollicking in the fields of non diminished bliss, everything is broken.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
But what the hell isn't broke in PvP?
Thanks for the explanation. |
Being dwelling on what "was" doesn't help matters any I am going to go with the concept that most everything is working as intended.
Corruptor LR does NOT SUPPRESS AT ALL. It is the same as it was in i12. It is completely unaffected by DR. This has been tested - note that the "numbers" are very often wrong, as more often than not they don't take DR into account.
As said earlier, no powers are currently banned. So chill out.
Also, if people are seriously comparing banning sharks to banning blaster attacks then I truly do pray for humanity.
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Powers to be looked into for potential banning by captains when the time comes:
-Controller Gale. last time I tested this it was indeed bugged.
-Defender TK: The power still has an unbreakable repel component.
-Corruptor LR: Not affected by DR
-Dominator Poisonous Ray: Not affected by DR
Anything else?
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^epic| Based on those of us who remember brighter days of frollicking in the fields of non diminished bliss, everything is broken. |
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| Also, if people are seriously comparing banning sharks to banning blaster attacks then I truly do pray for humanity. |
Either way, it sounds like I'm not the only one that has this opinion, and you guys are leaning towards allowing sharks, and just limiting stalkers. That really does make more sense. Few people will have serious problems with 1 total stalker spamming sharks, especially considering that widows can make the stalker close to useless for a whole match.