If I had a dime for every time ...

Yeah, except the whole part where you can't TP while you're being attacked. But yeah, you can probably avoid that by asking your opponents to stop attacking you and ruining your RP.

All jokes aside, I was the one that made flying sniping blasters popular on Freedom after I13. I dominated with mine, and eventually more and more people got into it, until eventually like 60-70% of sirens was flying during I13.

So don't talk like you're the only one that's ever used fly or TP. I'm most likely the most oldschool PvP'er left in the game, and I've used it. Yes, it can work pretty well in zones. Mainly because in zones you fight on your own terms (can run to drones any time you want), and because most players are newbies.

But I can say with 100% certainty that there's no way in hell that it can do well in a serious arena match. It's way too slow to keep up with SS+SJ teammates, meaning that you'll essentially be soloing in the match, just like you basically do in the zones.

Maybe you could avoid dying in a big map like perez by simply avoiding the actual PvP and flying at the top of the map, occasionally sniping someone for 100 damage (and adding nothing to the team). But get a small map like the lab, and you'll be doing nothing but getting farmed. Don't believe me? Try it.

Guess what mr mold breaker, placate is a defensive power. Nice strong logic there. Seems I was right.


Did you know with a conventional build in the time it took you to get off those 2 fancy snipe most people have rattled off a chain or two? Did you know that?


Rahji...do you know I pvped on stone stone tank for a very long time. And his only travel was tp. And that I could tp into the air and attack fliers with him. Because I was that damn good tp. Did you know thats an exception not a rule? Did you know that?


No, but there are combos of travel powers that offer more in battle maneuverability and aren't countered by someone spraying with sploo, or at least not as easily.


As successful as a fire/em/cold with ss and sj? If you answer yes, you are flatout lying to yourself. Yeah, you found a cool little niche for sniping people, congratz if people stay brain dead all day long you can farm them. Mad skilz sun.

You have been doing, not arguing that, just saying there are more effective ways to play. Plain and simple.

Been around at least as long as you, if not longer. And any time you want to go toe to toe with the knowledge feel free to bring it. What I lack in skill I make up for with having as much knowledge as possible.


Tell me what you know about me from my post if you want to play this game. That I only run spike teams with my psi em cold two buffers and all of us vent? Maybe you aren't as smart and clever as you think. I have posted several unconventional builds I play. I play taunt bot and disruption quite often as well. I do however know that fact that fly sucks in pvp and tp is a defensive travel power. You can try to twist your logic around it but trust me, those are facts.

I am going to guess seing you came in throwing the hate in what started as a good natured fun thread that it was probably your e peen that shrank. Sorry you have thin skin and take what people tell you in a video game so seriously that it stopped being fun for you. You can see professionals to help you with conditions like that. Maybe even some self medication could help.

Here is why you aren't special. You aren't thinking outside the box. You are wanting people to look in your box and go 'OH WOW THIS GUY HAS REINVENTED TEH PVP'. Truth be told though, flying blasters are bad though. Sure you get kills. Sure you are moderately survivable. Yes the more standard build wil die more often. The bottom line though your K : D ratio is not in the same stratosphere as a well played competent blaster.



Its cool you found something you like. I do respect it. This game is very niched based and you found yours.



Here is where I have the problem though. You preach it out like we have it all wrong and need to learn how to do things different. Want to know why we don't. I bet you almost every pvper at one time or another had a toon with fly, and we all found out that ss sj is more effective most the time. Pvp by nature is a min maxers paradise. There is little to no room for rp or concept without it effecting your build negatively. Now you can give up some effectiveness as a personal choice and 'gimp' yourself. But don't think you are awesome for doing it. Or that people who play fotms all need to learn how to play because they are taking the easy road. Fotms are fotms for a reason. The best builds get played the most. Sweet and simple. Most people who pvp do it to be successful. The best way to do that is to play proven builds. yes every now and then anew build is discovered, have you ever noticed though its generally by a skilled pvper who plays conventional toons normally. Odd ain't it. You would figure it would be someone like you.





also in case you missed it when Xanatos put it up for you


Go through and read your post in this thread and see what a massive pile of fail you are. Well played good sir, well played indeed.

My guess is that in a perfect world, one would like to choose a PvP set combo for the same reason they choose a PvE one. Another reason I guess that being good on a non-FoTM toon usually a sign of a good Player behind the toon. Some bad players *need* to roll an easy button FoTM often, while good players often choose them because they offer the path of least resistance therefore making them the most efficient choice.



My defenders don't make Kills... they make the kills easy, and they keep them quiet. If your comparsion that puts defenders at the bottom of the barrel is based on getting kills then yes, I'd agree. Their role on a team (aka Primary) is support. I beleive their buff/debuff numbers are still higher than corrs/trollers in PvP just like in PvE so I guess the stack reverses itself when basing things on support instead of kills. Then again there aren't enough defnders out there to tell atm.


Which statements exactly? Zone PvP to me is more fun than arena... I could cite examples of that all day if you want.

dunno. There is skill in pulling players like players pull NPCs though. Some have it... others get upset because they don't and stick to arena I guess.

lol YOU can't Max. Attack suppression differs, and knowing what you've been hit by goes a long way in knowing how to make it work. You, like many are specculating again on what you think you know before you've taken the time to see if you can do it.

BTW why do people think I RP? I don't


1 TP'er in an arena match with the rest including teammates having ss/sj is quite silly. I wish you'd think bigger than that. 8 TP/flyers vs 8 SS/SJ'ers... given even skill SS/SJ would get out manuvered all day long. Since most won't be able to even wrap their heads around the concept... keep in mind that the TP pool offers ways to bring your friends and enemies to you. Be creative with your thinking. Also TP > webnade... just so ya know.

Lastly. I don't arena much so it's almost pointless to make references to what I say and how it applies itself in the little controlled box you call PvP.

talk is cheap.

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Um defensive powers are often used to increase the performance of one's offense no? you know like... like having defense for example. Using TP offensively (which is what I was listeing examples of) can incorporate the same. if you don't understand or can't admit the advantage one has offensively by clearing the rectile around themselves from their opponents window, sorry.

It appears you are rejecting new ideas for the sake of your ego. Understandable... but quite unproductive if you ask me. I won't break down the rest although I could. I don't come here to make enemies. I come here to share ideas usually end up defending the positions which I've tested and succeeded with. You answered each one of my questions with a question btw. Nice try. being the "know -it-all" is easy Con when everyone already believes you... you don't have to try and convince me that's you're good. I already know it. As a matter of fact you have never ever ever... heard me say anything other than the the sort. I consider it a waste of brain to think in terms of better/best/I think you're getting your feathers ruffled simply because you don't want to admit there are elements to PvP that you aren't familar with. Again understandable, but unproductive... and at this point in the convo I think it's starting to show.

Just so ya know, I'm a A.America man living in the hood down south in Louisiana. My name's Anthony. If by turning Dahjee into Rahji you're trying to get to some deep ethnic sensitivities and make me react to them... try harder. I gave you the correct info.


Um you really need to stop taking general stuff so personal. Your rep is intact. My respect for your mad skills in PvP will not diminish.(<--- not sarcasm) We have plenty in common. My standing point lies here on the forums. The one about folks here being close minded and jerks to those with different ideas and examples of success so it turns off more peolple than it would atract if instead we acted like... well grown-ups with stable self esteems.


Sorry you feel this way. Perhaps it would have been best to join the OP with something related to the Game instead of.... The PvP Forum: The other Arena. lol I threw no hate by the way. I don't believe in such a thing. I found a thread to get this out in the air. Sue me. Posting every other 2 months or so allows me the right.

If I had a dime for every time I came here and got offended... I'd have 3 pennies btw. *On Topic Mod 8!*

ConFlict, if what your saying in true... That I'm not special... that you can learn nothing from me... That after of years of going at it a different way than you perhaps my input and ideas offer nothing to the PvP community even if they are sometimes un heard of... then why aren't you ignoring me like the foolish dreamer that I am. Why take the time to argue with complete and utter foolishness.? Why get offended when you haven't been insulted?

K : D ratios ONLY matter in arena where you can win the match or lose it. Stop dripping your arena mentality into Zone PvP. Or perhaps learn to disinguish between the two before venting your frustrations about my style and swag.



Its cool you found something you like. I do respect it. This game is very niched based and you found yours.



I call BS.

Thats the role YOU play... and as absurd as it may seem to me I respect it, simply cause I could never have the time or patienece to advise newbs and noobs here on the boards. I answer qestions I know about from personal experience. I could make edcucated guesses based on Mids... or PL"ed toons that I've spent all of about 8 days playing with... and I'd probably end up with the same advice to give as you might. I personally could not be proud of such info though. Perhaps I'm too humble... but I see nothing wrong with admitting when I don't know something or simply not poeting because I can't really say for sure aka actual expereince.

I do not and have not ever suggested that you or anyone STOP doing what they like when it comes to PVP. I preach ways of making what you want to happen HAPPEN. Read the sig. it hasn't changes in years.

If I'm preaching. it is to reach a common ground. Like the one needed between PvE'ers, PvP'ers, and the Devs atm in regards to te future of PvP in a game that I have come to love.

I'm proud. I love myself and you are mad. See. There are different definitons of success in PvP! lol

best forum xp ever.

I will bring up the flying turtle that was played by FoL against JAL in an official.

Gfly+Group TP+Hurricane. We won the first round out of sheer luck, 1-0. Second and third we lost by a decent margin. You spend most of the match running, it really can't win. You can hope for a tie though. Webs bring you down right after a TP so it's pretty easy to die.

Because you talk about things that can't happen in this game. People far more experienced than you are telling you this, but you just keep denying it. And when asked to simply show everybody what you're talking about, you say no.

You refuse to accept reality. That sounds like RP.

Btw trust me, I can do anything with TP that you can do. Yes, I know that if you keep spamming TP while being attacked, sometimes you get lucky with 1 miss from them, and you can TP away. That won't happen against a real PvP team.

If this isn't trowing hate I am not sure what is. Way to come into a good natured thread and rant, then wonder why people aren't responding well to you.


This is not a strategy game, this is a mmorpg. Offense is offense period. Like I said earlier while you are doing your ultra cool ninja vanish rp trick a straight forward pvp build has already either almost killed or killed the target. Being cute is nice. Being efficient is better.


explain how using tp as a placate is offensive in any stretch of the imagination.


tell me how you coming in here with your rant was in way productive. And by the way when you call out the 'same 5-6 posters' that pretty much implies me. I am one of those, everyone knows it. So you want to come in and call the 'same posters' you called me out. Unlike the others I get paid to forum pvp from work so I can take the time to spare with you a little.


Just so you know, I don't really care. But thanks for the personal info. It makes me care.


Lets touch on the mature thing first. A couple points for you to ponder. One this is the internet. Noone has to be nice so its pretty rare they are. The internet in general brings out the worst in people. To think you were going to fins something different on a forum was silly. Make a video game forum it becomes even more silly. Make a video game where people wear spandex and shoot fish out thier hands and well, I think you get the point.


Now on to the close mindedness. This has been explained to you time and again in this thread. I will try again in hopes you can grasp this simple concept. There is a best in this game. All mmorpgs work this way. There is a reason in every mmoprg there is THAT build, and THAT team set up. Its because it what works best. Now when lil jonny noub pvper comes to the forums and asks 'what can I do to make my dark dark tank better' we should not lie to him and sugar coat his bad medicine. The fact is lil jonnys toon stinks for pvp, sure he can make it viable but it will never be that good and do we really want someone beating their heads into the wall with a substandard build in pvp. They will get frustrate and leave. Sometimes the best advice really is reroll. You may not like it, but its not really about what you like, its about the facts.

nice name drop in hopes he shows. Just so you know even if he does, noone has done anything wrong here. Except maybe you derailing a thread so you could have your litle rant because you needed attention.



Here is the big reason I take on this stuff with the likes of you and others like Sentry4 and Zen. I am smart enough to know how bad your ideas are for general pvp advice. The problem lies in the casual guy poking around for pvp advice. he punches in something fancy like ar+dev+pvp and next thing you know he comes to a Rahji post stating that flying tping ar devs are teh wicked cool in pvp and spends the next month trying to figure out what the hell he is doing wrong while he is getting farmed with little to no kills in pvp. See the thing is I don't care at all about you, but I do care about new players. Weekly I probably answer in the neighborhood of 20 pms from strangers asking advice. I probably make another 5 pms doing just builds for people. And thats just on the forums. In game you can about double that. You want to know what my least favorite thing to hear from people when I talk to them is. "but i heard x was good in pvp". People are impressionable. be careful what you throw out there. In your heart you have to know even though you enjoy ar dev fly tp that it is substandard. And you have pvped awhile. Now think of the new guy just starting out reading your post when you say that stuff. Think before you speak and I never say a word. Put some disclaimers on that stuff even and I can let it slide.


No, it always matters. You may choose to ignore it, but please realize that was your choice. the two main goals in pvp are 1 kill stuff and 2 don't die to stuff. Its not about trying hard. Its not about doing it on a tough build and doing alright. You can try to convince yourself otherwise but it won't be true. Just because you are not willing to commit to play to win doesn't mean you should spread the word thats how it should be. The fact is pvp is decided by who dies and who lives, plain and simple. Your rp doesn't matter here. And so you know your style isn't much except trying to twist words and facts to fit your agenda. And your swagger is more like a limp.



Look kid, even if you skip the rest read this part real close. The fact that you can't imagine and don't waste your time on it, guess what that means. You have zero right to complain about the same 5-6 pvp forum tards who do post. At least they are trying. It may not be what you want them to say, but at least they are doing something. You want aleg to stand on when it comes to complaining about said posters, get out ther do some leg work. test builds, work out real numbers, come up with builds, post and be helpful. Don't waste your time just dropping in to complain though, its not helpful or constructive. If you aren't part of the solution you must be the problem.


there is no common ground for us to reach if you want me to start saying bad stuff like ar dev fly tp is teh beast you just got to know how to play it. Its a bad powerset combo, its a bad build and I highly recommend anyone who reads any of this to never make on for serious pvp. Also keep your dreams alive of player and dev harmony. It was hopeful and optimistic in i12, now its just a pipe dream. Play with the cards they gave us and hope for the best, to want anything more will just lead to more bad times.

If you want to be witty and think you are winning all good, but lets be honest. If this gave xp they would have to wipe my toons and give me a 3 day ban. The only thing worse than your ideas on pvp is your actually forums pvp. Git wrekt sun.




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you find 8 and i find 8 and we give this a go? I will help you a little with this, you probably should not reply to this one. because the 7 other people you find will be pissed as hell when they get farmed.

FalseQuoting 101: lrn2 fsle quoot.

I don't come here to boast, or joust, or disrespect. You won't find much of me doing any here or in game or in life really. I'm not new to the game... I'm not new to PvP in the game. I believe that's pretty much all that is required for you and me to be cool BB. I don't play against the toon. I play against the player.

A very very short glance at my posts in this thread point to the reason that will most likely draw my attention and desire to post. If the envirioment here were a bit better here in this part of the forums, I'd visit more often. I'm sure many others would as well. I haven't got the timing right yet though personally. Cause when I briefly spoke of CC having a new form via disruption long long ago but ... it ended with the same bs I'm dealing with now even though I haven't trashed anyone.... until Sililt(sp?) stated it 2 weeks ago you say? New Ideas that do not depend on what the Game and it's devs do are unwelcome it seems... I'm just bein as honest and as real as I can be.

Someone said PvP is a Min/Max'ers dream and I'm not sayin it isn't. I just don't see a reason to stop There. Optimize for PvP. If/when done Min/Max'ing your own toons through number cruching build planing and/or PL'ing though, (exceptions, generalities, you know wth I mean jeez - pre edit) Dive into set/set//set/set team combinations *per attack that at least meet or surpass what multiples of the same is likely to have. They are out there. Can anyone break it down? I don't want to become a numbers guy. If/when possible can anyone please post an answer without asking a question, or without the hostility and sarcasm. Yes, I use both to make it fun. Some use both to make fun of. I come in peace.

Castle is thataway ---->

If I had dime for every time ...

wat

LOL
Sometimes! But not atm.

On my way home... I'll return you to your regularly scheduled PvP forum as soon as I can log into the game at home... This has indeed been fun.

Common Ground is difficult. Even when those who supposedly know the most are unhappy with the state of PvP and/or are simply waiting for the devs to make it better.

Intelligence is knowing the right answer... Wisdom is knowing the right question... Being smart is taking both in moderation.

First of all while it is your right to pvp an AR/Dev, and I have seen some very good ones do so. In fact Scribe was very good on his, in the zones atleast. However flying/teleporting is only going to work in an enviroment that you can base run. If you base run then you suck. Sorry. PVP is a 2 way street. Its not just about how many kills you get but also how many times you die. If you are telling me you tp/fly and don't base run and don't die then you must not be an honest person.

Perhaps it is funner for you, but the words competitive and zone should be banned from being used in the same sentence.

Zones are nothing but a cluster **** of kill stealing. To make it even worse the kill stealing happens from npc's, drones and heavies more than other players. Then add salt to the wound with HD and TS. Don't get me wrong, I zone when nothing is going on in the arena. Each time I do though I feel like I licked a dirty windshield or something afterwards.

You would have zero dimes, because there's no way a TP/Fly team will get kills in an arena match. (Well, they might be able to pull off a random kill or two, so if your definition of "winning" is "getting a kill" then you'd've won, but if your definition of "winning" is "getting more kills than the other team" you'd lose pretty badly.) They might get kills in zone thanks to heal decay and travel suppression (assuming they're basically all Blasters), but by that same token they'll get farmed pretty brutally if the other team has half a brain. Again, you're talking about strategies working in a zone, where the environment is anything but competitive and most of the players are mediocre at best and downright terrible at worst. If you think getting kills against bad players by using some oddball strategy that wouldn't work against an intelligent team is skillful or makes you an out-of-the-box thinker, I'm sorry but you're no better than they are. If you think a fly/TP team would work in an arena match... like Con said. Get 7 other players, get into a match. Watch what happens.

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I don't play against the toon I play against the player ConFlict.

I know that you must have the last word or you'll continue to rage and step outside your normal self.

I know you and many seek to be the first to answer questions when, if you really wanted to help new players... you'd wait a while to get the opinions of those not as knowledgable as you as they try to help as well. That way you may learn something new and... if needed you get to educate and improve more peoples' PvP skills though these forums. ( then again you are PAID to spam on the boards so perhaps you're just min/maxing your earning potential... good for you! )

I know that your next helpful post to a newb will consider the things pointed out in this thread cause ya know... I know you probably don't want thought of as a bitter close minded PvP know-it-all.

I know you'll be ready to disagree with me the next time come here to defend or suggest something other than the arena-approved style of play... regardless of whether you really know for sure. Ya know... just because I'm Rahji.


Thank you. I enjoyed it. Sorry you took everything so personal and got all sensitive and stuff. I really tried no to offend. I was just trying to get across an overall point via constructive venting in a joke thread. shame you missed that point.

Whatever though. You can haz ur forum back nao. I'm home. Perhaps I'll leave you a couple more months to discover more breakthoughs in viabilty for yourselves. GG

PS. I don't PvP with flying AR/Dev Blasters... Just thought I'd put that out there for some. If you feel this is a contradiction of sorts... please reread and gather ref.

I haven't a clue who you are either but I do know you must have ****** breath from all that *** kissing you just did. Not meant to be insulting, just stating facts.

Let's examine where you say that every blaster is equal. In a sense you are right. The dev's crazy scheme of things was to make each set in each AT equal. For pve they achieved that "somewhat". We are talking about pvp here though. There are a gazillion examples of how each set is not equal but lets just examine a few. Lets compare an energy boom against an ice boom. Nova vs. Blizzard. Both have almost the exact same numbers. One is instant death, the other is DOT. In pve they both work pretty much the same because npc's don't pop greens or have healers healing them as quickly as a player does. That is just one example.

Now lets move on to the devices set. While I personally have never made one I have seen them played. Not for me. That doesn't mean they are not fun nor does it mean they do not have their uses. Sadly though while the devices blaster is stuck in animation while trying to set up their targeting drone the energy blaster just bone smashed them. 4th power on each set, should be equal ehh? Not even close.

How about Gun drone. Interesting little power there. Tier 9, does gud damage, yes? Ok while its being set up to even start doing that gud damage the psychic shockwave from the mental set has you half dead. Ok lets talk about trip mine. (omg I can't tell you how annoying people that want you to wait for them to set up a gazillion trip mines are in pve). Anyways trip mines are interesting. How many do you have to set up to kill a player? Takes 5 seconds to cast one and 20 seconds (base) for it to recharge. Lets just take a long shot and say 5 of them will kill a player. So that is a 100 seconds (base) that it took for that to be set up. I am sure the device blaster can safely do that being other pvpr's are always polite enough to wait. Perhaps in zone when "BASE" sitting this might work. However if not hiding out at the base or in the arena the electric manipulations blaster has already Thunder striked your *** so hard your neck has popped. Or in the time it takes to set up those tripmines the ngy manipulation blaster has hit power boost, boost range and build up and one shotted your *** with a snipe from across the room.

Sooo yeah sorry to burst your bubble but what is close to equal in pve isn't remotely equal in pvp. That is of course , again, unless you are base sitting. Sorry using a building surrounded by drones to pvp is not competitive.

BTW the whole all sets are not created equal is not just with blasters, its with every AT. PVP is simply a different enviroment. Players are not computer ran and do not have a "dumb" mode. Not sure how much you know about how computer games are programmed but its in a cycle. The npc is programmed to do a certain attack chain. That attack chain doesn't change based on the situation. It also doesn't hit inspirations. NpC's also are not programmed to evade effectively. The sets are designed to be balanced in an enviroment that doesn't think, and doesn't adapt. PVP is all about thinking and adapting. So your whole theory doesn't apply here.

Yup I am just a nobody, who happen to think Dahjee is a great player. Sorry for wasting your time typing all this sh** cause I did not read all of it. But i can see you were just trolling the forums. No ** kissing either, I am just telling the truth and sharing my opinion. I was'nt bragging about my skills either.

Second it is not a theory of mine it is just what it is. There are a lot of things broken in pvp but i doubt the Devs are not aware of the dmg/rech/debuff/etc. blasters deal, so some sets need some tweaking. But all these sets are playable and fun. Devs: "Working as intended." >.>

I used to be so negative about pvp related stuff like how you are now sweety and stuff, but it is not worth my time anymore. There are other things in life more important now, that is why i haven't been playing this game for months. I'm just here cause I happen to visit this forum and saw same old same old sh** in the pvp forum and i happen to agree with him. Sooo...

Third, you need to calm down and chill... It is not the end of the world. You're still young and online games (MMO) are not the only thing in this world.

Fourth, I may not be good at computers and sh** but i know how to spell environment and sarcasm...

Fifth, kthxbye.

edit: If I had a dime for every time I see a forum troll burst on me I'll be so rich.

You apparently read enough to know I was rude in my first sentence and typo'd in my last paragraph. What you should have read was all the stuff between those two to know your theory is WRONG.

I am not trolling you, or your friend. I don't know either of you or have anything against you. What I do have a problem with is wrong information. Wrong is wrong. I am not a know-it-all pvp'r. I am still learning myself. However before I type opinions or advice I research it and/or test it out myself. I have pvp'd long enough to know all sets are not created equal in pvp. The ones that are really good get the title "FOTM" for a reason. Its because those particular sets have powers that make them OP. If all sets were created equal then the whole "FOTM" wouldn't exist. Doesn't take a genious to figure that one out.

On another note I am very calm. I am also not young. Everyone who plays video games or pvp's is not a teen. I am old enough to have teen children myself FYI. I am sure my whole ****** breath comment helped you conclude otherwise so I guess I can't exactly blame you. BTW I appologize for that comment, but meant everything else I have said. Facts are facts.

BTW one last point. You might want to rethink the whole "telling the truth and sharing your opinon" as being ok and me doing the same thing is me being a troll. Just because someones opinion differs from yours doesn't mean its any less valid.