If I had a dime for every time ...

I never claimed to be good at pvp, but on that note I bet you don't even know who I am. What I do know is that someone that looses to a dark/cold on a elec/therm shouldn't be giving out PvP advice to anyone. You do suck at PvP and you prove it yourself time and time again. For example: posting vids of your phailz.

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is it my fault frost elf bad D videod the match and put it on youtube without my permission? No. seriously you guys don't think before you say half this ******** the only reason I posted the vid was to show barrier that once again, he's chatting crap.

If I had a dime for every time a forum go'er asks about a possible PvP toon only to be told the toon will suck.... so reroll it....

Or for every time someone is told that X doesn't work anymore because of I13.

Or perhaps a nickel for every time some one snarks in disbelief at someone for doing something with a build that they wern't able to do.

I could go on... but I'm not that invested in this thread. I guess my point is that the PvP coummunity as far as I and many who visit the forums can tell is kinda well... close minded and rude. I gather this from noticing that no one ever seems to be without a jerk remark, and the fact that nothing new is ever introduced here on the PvP forums...just the same ol' same ol' that comes from what I can only guess as years of doin the same thing over and over... no matter what set/set combo. copy paste rinse repeat... call yourself a winner!


Yeah questions do get answered. With the same stale info that circulates among all of about 10 people. There is a mis-education in progress here.

Bitter justifications for the staleness that is forum PvP to follow I'm sure. Blame it on the numbers?

Don't take it personal Con.

I offer you much respect... as I do anyone else here.

I don't read all threads you're right... but I read enough for you to understand and see that what I said is far from crazy talk. This was a joke thread so had no intentions of offering useful info to anyone here. I simply wanted to vent I suppose because what once was a forum that I could goto and offer insightful, creatve, and alternative ways of doing things in PvP has turned into a forum that has vets, newbs, and nO0bs alike rejecting anything other than FoTM W/O testing or trying (perhaps not by you Con but dont pretend A. PL'd toons are ripe for testing and B. everyone is able))

You don't make any sense. Those 10 people know more about PvP than the rest of CoH's community combined. If the info is "stale", blame the game. They tell it like it is.

If someone wants advice on making his AR/ice blaster good in PvP, he'll be told to reroll. Because no matter what he does, that toon will suck at PvP. That's not mis-education. That's telling the truth. If he doesn't like it, that's just too bad.

If a professional F1 driver tells me that a Ferrari will beat my Geo Metro in a race, I'm not going to criticize him for being "close minded" or unwilling to accept that maybe I'm just a really amazing Geo Metro driver. Because I know he's right. No matter what I do to the car, it will never be a Ferrari. But with your logic, I supposed you'd argue with him, saying his info is "stale" and he's just saying the same stuff that others have said. Great...go ahead and keep believing that your Geo Metro is the best car in the world.

Remember, this is the person who told me they would never team in PvP with someone like me, yet they've teamed with me for the better part of an afternoon several times since coming over to Freedom and never knew it.

Seriously, let us know when you find good team and solo PvP strategies comparable to the ones we've established and have been using, and maybe we'll actually take your opinion into account.

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I work in a an environment where my manager is 10 hours away and no one in my building has any clue what I do. I get a lot of suggestions from other co-workers asking why we don't do things a certain way or "I saw this on TV and I want to do this here too" and they kinda get upset when I tell them that it can't be done.

If you do something regularly and you think about strategies regularly, you will find that you have a greater understanding of certain areas. You will also find it mildly insulting when someone says your advice/suggestions are wrong when you have tested them before or have insight into how they work together.

In the end, if your expectations or definitions of success and successful are different than mine, then we might disagree on certain areas of PvP in this game. The suggestions I see Mac and others give to people are based on the assumption that said player is playing to win and wants to be successful. If that said person is looking for an 'ataboy' by playing substandard or different, then I can see where we might come off as rude and closed minded.

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...(caps lock skillz yo)

You know me and barrier are two the people who used to post help back in the old pvp forums. And if you have been around long at all you would know the pvp forums used to never have anything about pvp in them.


Again with the fotm point. Look I know it was hard to read before but I will try again. My signature toon is grav elec. I pvp on an ice dev blaster. Barrier pvps on several sub standard/non fotm builds. Mac makes everything look like it could never be a fotm. So yeah whatever on that point.


As far as pling is ripe for the testing I think you missed some patch notes. We had our free 50s and yes you can still pl, but it lost alot of its luster with the ae 'refinements'. Testing stuff out is not near as easy as it used to be. Then throw in the cost and time to io something and the investment becomes substantial.



I have been pvping for quite some time, and shocking mostly on 'gimp' toons. My first and main blast on Justice was ice/fire. My second pvp toon was a mind ff. I know how to make things work. but in all honest if someone comes along looking for advice along the lines of 'how do i make my ar/dev a killing machine' the real answer is reroll as psi or fire/em. The difference in what the builds can achieve can not be circumvented by any outside the box thinking. No amount of ios or build tweaks can close the gap. Now if they come back and say something like well how can I make it the best it can be I can assure that more than likely me, mac or barrier will probably post a build and/or advice for them. Where do I ever see you with any helpful insight? If you aren't part of the solution they say, you are part of the problem. Well my good sir you seem to have well established now that you are indeed part of the problem.

*sniff*

Don't mention me or anything.

My Geo is IO'ed and purpled out... with Ferrari-seeking missles attached to it's top. Ready! Imagination works! Sometimes people believe something makes no sense before they've stopped to ask whether they understood in the first place.

If someone wants advice on his/her AR/Ice blaster... they should be told and/or coached on the sets greatest streghths and weaknesses IMO. That's probably what they want. For example... the fact that AR/ is the only set that leaves no trails so it it makes for a terrific Range boosted snipe/scourge spike/kite/stealth teams... with teleport/hover (/shock) But cooridinated teleport/spiking in PvP is unheard of you say? Ya, I know. Useless Primaries and secondaries and the synergies they producd should of died long ago simply for the fact that even a less used power can always be a mule that offers prefered bonuses via IOs. No one speaks of such advantages much when "telling the truth" about a set's viability. Some people believe it or not spend months on toons and just want to make them work in PvP... Rerollling at 50 is absurd to some. Advice on how to do so should be found here... but it is often not unless the set meets the requirements of PvP as stated by who exactly? A group of 10?! Respect to all but if that's the case I shoudn't be the only one callin for a wiser bunch. Cookie cutting gets old and stale.

As of lately because of such a poor example being set (moreso by the followers and not specifically Mac, Con, Super, etc...) the phrase "It Sucks... Reroll" has become another way of saying "I don't really know... haven't really tried... don't see many and no one's beat me with one so... My opinion is that it won't work if trying to play it the way I would"... or what's even worse imo... "someone told me it sucks so I'll tell you the same thing!"

Mac you're 5 star in my book. Made a note months ago when on Freedom, so no you weren't hidden from me. I've never dissed your PvP skills. Also I'd never ever treat a player differently In-Game because of differences of opinons here. In-Game is a different slate... and againI have no problem with how and what you play. We just disagree a lot here. Perhaps I expect too much from the people that seem to know and frequent the PvP forums the most.

If you are however open to suggestions... I'd offer to maybe get the word out to zone teams to start making binds that say... "Our Teammate is being spiked by $Target! let's use our damage specc'ed support and control builds to actullay stop our teammates from getting ganked over and over instead of running off to spike the helpless /emp for the 7th time" or something like that. Find a good "Anti-Spike" bind that actully makes the King of Spike builds useful to and for builds that arent for spiking.

Good story. Good Point.

Considering my original post ended with me saying that my defintions are differnent than most so debates are pointless here I can only guess that you feel the need to say your definitions are more correct or something... dunno. We all play to win I suppose. For me however winning differs greatly from toon to toon.

My trollers don't have to get kills to win... they have to stop opponents from getting kills and preventing spikes by any means neccesary. They have to cause as much hell as possible when opposing teams decide to turtle up. If someone says I suck cause I didn't or couldn't kill them, I lol as they repatedly get stomped by my teammates... My defenders are all about support. My bubbler is actully specc'ed to BE the spike target... So long as my teammates aren't getting end drained and are bubb'ed and invis'ed by the time I get back I'm cool. It works for me. They live and I defend their lives so they can do thier jobs when on my defeder. My Tanker, Corr, Brute and Doms all have different roles to fill and therefore different standards to which "good" and successful" are met.

That view differs greatly from much of the advice given here. One would believe that all PvP toons are Spike toons, which turns into everyone wanting to know if their non-spike toon can be made into a spike toon... and we know what they're told.

Closed minds are comforted by their confinement, and often reject anything that offers something other than what is already within.
- Read that somewhere

I come in peace.

Again with all due respect, if someone asks a question that you can't answer... just say you don't know. "ya know... I just don't know how to make AR/Dev into a killing machine". "I don't know what travel powers pool powers an AR/Dev should take or what strategeis they should implore to be a killing machine in PvP... It may or may not be possible... I just don't know"

It's that easy. "Reroll as a X" is what you reply to the question "What should reroll my X as"?

You can even tell how your Psy/Em gets 200 more kills a day more than your AR/Dev does based on the way you play it, and that your AR/Dev wouldn't survive if you played it the same way... but don't assume to know what's possible for all... I'm pretty sure that's when learning stops, and you don't wanna stop learning if your supposed to know it all ya know.

I imagine if that was easy though your post count might be as low as mine.

I don't frequent the boards cause it's funner to play the game itself... I help there more often than here. Here I chime in when I know from experience. I answer questions and most often only stay long enough to deliever whatever helpful advice I can to the OP.

By doing so however... I'm usually prompted to stay longer because for some reason my opinons are always so off the wall and far from what you guys approve of. It doesn't make me wrong though... just part of the outside crowd I guess. Go figure. If I only had a dime for every time....

ding ding ding

i spent most of my gaming time tonight running around on an ice/ice dom during freedom kickball...

when they said grav was bad, i ran around on a grav/fire, killing mind/psi fotms and becoming one of the reasons people in freedom kickballs build for kb prot.
when they said stormies were trash, i was running around on a rad/storm killing bad regins.
when they told me regin can't be bet, i spent two weeks talking mad trash in RV and farming pvp ios on my dark/cold (before they fixed gloom, imagine that)...

but you know what? i wont recommend any of this.. my desk is full of dents, because the moment i face an elec/therm, psi/em or mind/fire, i get frustrated and try to break things... and that's me.. not a newb.

when i scream "reroll" at someone, especially a newer player, my goal is to get that player on a toon that won't cause massive amounts of frustration, which would then result in the player giving up on pvp (i've seen this happen tens of times, and every time pvp is brought up in Repeat Offenders chat, there's an example of it: "oh my em/sr stalker, oh my ice/ice blaster, oh my spines/sr scrapper").

so yeah, reroll your AR/Dark's, and Wp scrappers. not my fault the devs dont like it when you think outside the box...

it's so cool to be anti-anti-establishment.
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way off.

silit said it a few weeks back: disruption still works. i've posted builds for thermal masterminds, disruption spec'd fire/cold corrs, ss/fire tauntbots among a great deal many others.

a year and a half ago, you would have to pay me to post any of those builds here. ujl fort builds were sacred, and i deleted my builds from our vg forums after a few days of commentary. **** was that serious.

the fact that people like me, con, mac, silit, -divine, mage, etc etc actually post stuff here should be something you're grateful for. even if it comes down to me making fun of divine's archery ideas, con psypunk'ing you, or silit making fun of tall tanks.