Going Rogue,whats your prefrence?
After Going Rogue, there is very very little that would compel me to use any of the Hero ATs ever again. I wouldn't spend much more time Hero-side than I already do (about 1/4th of my characters) if becoming a Vigilante or Rogue didn't make both available.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with a Tanker, I enjoy doing more with a Brute or Mastermind.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with a Defender, I enjoy doing more with a Mastermind or Corruptor.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with a Controller, I enjoy doing more with a Corruptor or Dominator.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with a Blaster, I enjoy doing more with a Dominator or Stalker.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with a Scrapper, I enjoy doing more with a Stalker or Brute.
Everything I've ever wanted to do with a Kheldian... wait... no... there isn't anything I've ever wanted to do with a Kheldian. To be fair, the Widows and Soldiers don't really do it for me either.
The exceptions. I prefer Fire/Fire on a Scrapper, because /Fire takes too much effort and cash to build into an acceptable Brute secondary the way I play, and I can't really imagine them porting either set to Stalkers. I prefer Ice/Ice on a Tanker, because they haven't given me Ice options on any other Melee AT yet (aside from a few effects in Leviathan Mastery). I prefer Illusions on a Controller, again because there's no other option... although I've never found a secondary to pair with it that I like both mechanically and thematically as much as I'm sure I'd love an Illusions/Psi Dominator. And my Dual Pistols character is likely to be a Blaster, because the Devices secondary and Munitions Mastery Epic Pool fit my goals better than Traps for Corruptors or any Patron Pool. Those will be the exceptions to my Villain AT love. And my first Storm/Elec Defender, who will be kept out of nostalgia because he was my first 50 Hero, but not because I'm likely to ever seriously play him again. So a token member of each AT really... until proliferation gives me options I like better.
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Personally I'm planning on moving characters both ways. My pre-existing villains will probably mostly stay put though for concept reasons; I tend strongly towards the massacres-families-and-eats-people style of villain. Not really welcome in Paragon. I do have an idea that some of my more mercenary villains will go hero after "being paid to do so as part of Manticore's controversial Cash for Crusaders program". And some of my newer characters have backgrounds designed to allow side switching.
I do want to try out the ATs on the other side, so new characters will probably if anything tend to go to the opposite side they would pre-GR. Dominators strike me as being a good idea on the EB-light blueside, for example.
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Interesting. Do you have any official sources to direct me to regarding those options still being available (if at a reduced rate of acquisition) if you side switch? If it works like that, all I need to know is how badges will be handled before deciding whether to have my main Brute side-swap for badges (and then swap right back as soon as she's done).
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And they've never made any mention of badges other than the fact that you'll be able to earn some defeat badges easier by switching sides and that you can't double-dip in Accolade powers.
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Now here is a question that occurred to me. How many heroes would switch sides around level 40, just to do the villain patron missions for the free respec?
The reduced rate of earning post was made in the Issue 16 open beta forums, which have since been purged.
And they've never made any mention of badges other than the fact that you'll be able to earn some defeat badges easier by switching sides and that you can't double-dip in Accolade powers. |
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Although I have some specific characters which I know will go Rogue/Vigilante I am very tempted to make all my toons go the middle of the road simply because I enjoy both the content of CoH and CoV equally so having characters that can do both would be brilliant.
It would mean I could play the toon I want to play (I suffer from a bad case of altism) and not have to worry about not playing with online friends because they are on the opposite side to me.
And for me I don't get the Red vs Blue AT comparison (athough I know there are similarities) because to me they all play differently and feel different.
* I prefer Tanks over Brutes, Scrappers, Stalkers because of they're higer levels of protection.
* Yet I prefer Brutes over Scrappers because of the addrenaline rush of Fury
* I prefer Defenders over Corruptors because the focus is on buff/debuffs
* Yet I prefer Corruptors over Blasters because they have a greater diversity of powers
* I enjoy the methodical nature of Controllers but also enjoy the aggressive style of Dominators and also enjoy the diversity their powersets provide
* I haven't found anything that plays like a Mastermind!
* And I haven't been able to get into Kheldians and Stalkers
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I guess the flipside could also be asked, how many villains will switch sides at that point just to be able to get an EPP without having to do an extra arc.
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The advantage would be to take the patron arc, get the merits and respec, then switch back to hero side so you get "the good powers".
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They are ancillary, not epic. Anyway, why is it "having" to do an "extra" arc? I thought more content was a good thing. They give some decent merits, too!
The advantage would be to take the patron arc, get the merits and respec, then switch back to hero side so you get "the good powers". |
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More content is good... if you can choose not to do it on a character who's not suited for it without missing out on anything. My Dominators and Corruptors dread their patron arcs, though, because I can rarely find other people to help me with them when I get to that level, and they're all full of EB/AVs. My less sturdy characters Hero Side can team exclusively, run other people's arcs, join TFs, and take whatever APP they feel like immediately at 41. That beats a free respec, in my opinion.
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Can we not set it up so you don't have to face EBs/AVs anymore? And even if we still end up with EBs, you can set them to -1. How tough can a -1 EB be?
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As for -1 EBs... -2 Silver Mantis two-shotted my 43 Plant/Thorn Dominator with her first two hits the other night. It took me a tray of purples and a strategy that focused on spamming immobs until I could trap her out of range and let my Flytrap and Carrion Creepers handle her while I hid around a corner. I didn't want to use a Shivan, because throwing one of those at a -2 enemy would have just been too humiliating.
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I haven't heard one person mention taking a hero redside in "GR" discussions. Almost, everyone has mentioned taking their Villains blue side. Mostly, I've been hearing MM"s and Corruptors as the most popular choices! I haven't heard anyone mention a stalker!
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I only plan to move one or two villains, possibly only my villain badger (but he will only go rogue, not full hero).
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Yeah, my Elec/Regen stalker (who is built offensively with +rech bonuses) had trouble with her because she just hit so hard, she might take me out during long animations. Not to mention, she's a pain in the rear to AS because she won't stay placated!
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Only AT-related side switching I can see myself doing is Dominators and Controllers - and I see that going both ways. I love the "Control and...." playstyle, regardless of what's after the and.
And you'll see more of it blueside. Redside, frankly, has nothing to offer after having played it so... many.... times. Unlockables help a little, but even then, I've *seen them all.* I find the environment depressing and irritating. I have a hard time starting new villains because they'll see *the exact same thing,* in the same order. Heroside, I've got multiple paths to get from 1-50 and "tailor" a story for the character.
Redside needs more content, and more non-"this is what happens when you don't take out the garbage for a decade" styled zones.. actually, *any* non-trashed zones. Blueside, I can go "oooh, I forgot all about this guy!" and play a "new old arc." Redside, no. I'm running stuff redside for one of a very few reasons -
1. Friends wanting to run something.
2. Theme characters (usually related to 1.)
3. Finishing "one of each AT to 50." I'm down to corruptors and soldiers, both in the 40s (meanwhile having multiples of some heroside ATs there.)
Oh, and...
Now here is a question that occurred to me. How many heroes would switch sides around level 40, just to do the villain patron missions for the free respec? |
They are ancillary, not epic. Anyway, why is it "having" to do an "extra" arc? I thought more content was a good thing. They give some decent merits, too!
The advantage would be to take the patron arc, get the merits and respec, then switch back to hero side so you get "the good powers". |
And I do like the Patron Arcs, don't get me wrong, I guess the point I was trying to make was that if you dinged level 41 hero side you wouldn't have had to worry if you have done the arc before they can choose the power.
I guess in my head I saw it as the other way around - switch to blue side at 40, ding 41 and get the APPs, switch back to red and do the arcs at your pace to get the merits and respec and respec into the PPP if you wanted.
Anyway I think both things will happen and it all depends how the APPs/PPPs will work in GR.
Sorry bad choice of words on my part - I was trying to lump the APPs and PPPs into one.
And I do like the Patron Arcs, don't get me wrong, I guess the point I was trying to make was that if you dinged level 41 hero side you wouldn't have had to worry if you have done the arc before they can choose the power. I guess in my head I saw it as the other way around - switch to blue side at 40, ding 41 and get the APPs, switch back to red and do the arcs at your pace to get the merits and respec and respec into the PPP if you wanted. Anyway I think both things will happen and it all depends how the APPs/PPPs will work in GR. |
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I'll continue to play whichever side suits the concept of my character, only now I'll have more ATs to pick from to fit those concepts.
There's too many long, dull arcs blueside for me to even consider running all my characters on heroside. 15 near identical defeat-alls, handed out by NPCs with no personality at all, and taking place in inexplicably weird locations (what, these lawyers have their offices in Perez Park? What, this sci-fi convention is being held in Crey's Folly..?) No thanks.
At least Grandville has atmosphere. Peregrine Island on the other hand might as well just be a straight road leading from the ferry to Portal Corp because there's nothing else there (except the Rikti hanging out on the beach... can someone please tell Vanguard about those guys?)
I have a handful of characters that might go rogue or vigilante, but I don't think any will make the full conversion. Then again, our information on Going Rogue is still pretty limited. There might be significant, unforeseen advantages to jumping the fence as opposed to straddling it.
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I'll be turning my villains into full heroes then turning them vigilantes to be able to play both sides but still being able to access WW.
Most of all tho, I'm very curious about Praetorians.
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I will be moving everything I have on redside (Corrs, MMs, Brutes, VEATs if possible) to blueside and only for one reason: The rarity of everything on the Black Market. About 2 weeks ago I finally decided to try to IO out a toon after having resisted it for so long and I couldn't find a single Red Fortune or Smashing Haymaker for sale on the BM. I logged my toon out in disgust and haven't logged back into redside since.
I say that after being partial to everything on reside; I prefer the redside challenge level, I prefer the AT designs on redside (despite there being nothing in the farming capacity of a Fire or Plant/Kin controller), I prefer the zone layouts, the missions, even the Epic/Ancillary pools (despite the lack of Physical Perfection), everything redside other than the stupid BM.
I will be moving everything I have on redside (Corrs, MMs, Brutes, VEATs if possible) to blueside and only for one reason: The rarity of everything on the Black Market. About 2 weeks ago I finally decided to try to IO out a toon after having resisted it for so long and I couldn't find a single Red Fortune or Smashing Haymaker for sale on the BM. I logged my toon out in disgust and haven't logged back into redside since.
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Just to add to the above, a lot of players will continue to play Scrappers simply because they can smash face at whatever pace they won't without performance being affected by it. I really do not enjoy the fury mechanic. I want to move at a rate that's comfortable for me and I don't want my performance to be murdered because I had to take a bathroom break.
Scrappers are consistent, Brutes are a roller coaster.