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Its been in decline since the US decided to close the entire UK marketing/community team down, stop doing the events (which were already on a pitiful scale compared to US budgets and efforts), and generally forget about the UK players. Any community will decline over time, be that virtual or real-world, leisure or professional. Recruitment always has to be ongoing in any group, because people will naturally leave, move, change interests, change circumstances, or otherwise cease to be a part of any group. A lot of UK and EU players still have a very bitter taste in their mouth about the decision at HQ that we just aren't worth bothering about.|
Originally Posted by Atonement_EU
I had great times with union, but it's been dying ever since the mission architect. I left and almost never returned after the whole 'level 50 in a day' fiasco. Seems a number of people just never returned.
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Frankly the AE system wasn't that big a deal. Not compared to the feeling of retreat and abandonment from the top, and treating the whole of Europe as a very second-class minority. Then with CO and STO and other games making a bit more effort and seeming to be new and shiney ... well, again, people make choices. The EU player seems to pay considerably more for most things when you take the exchange rates into account. We sure don't feel we get more for it.
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Originally Posted by Ammon
Its been in decline since the US decided to close the entire UK marketing/community team down, stop doing the events (which were already on a pitiful scale compared to US budgets and efforts), and generally forget about the UK players. Any community will decline over time, be that virtual or real-world, leisure or professional. Recruitment always has to be ongoing in any group, because people will naturally leave, move, change interests, change circumstances, or otherwise cease to be a part of any group. A lot of UK and EU players still have a very bitter taste in their mouth about the decision at HQ that we just aren't worth bothering about.
Frankly the AE system wasn't that big a deal. Not compared to the feeling of retreat and abandonment from the top, and treating the whole of Europe as a very second-class minority. Then with CO and STO and other games making a bit more effort and seeming to be new and shiney ... well, again, people make choices. The EU player seems to pay considerably more for most things when you take the exchange rates into account. We sure don't feel we get more for it. |
The constant whining about and blaming all the problems of modern times on the AE is getting on my nerves. "people got to 50 in a day so I left!" What kind of argument is that?
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
Who gives a rats...it all comes down to the friends i have on onion..thats why ive been there for 50 months and dont want to change..i have no problem finding sfs/tfs or anything. the only problem i find its some people still in onion like to ignore ur tells..stuck up sob's.
plus its gotten alot better with people like rent moving out..people moaning about a server never helps..not when its 24/7
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I'm still about and i'm still moaning
CoH PvP SG = SuperUnion - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
CoV PvP VG = Disruption - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
Global = @Rent & @Rent.
Playgroup are all **** - Global Handle
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Nah, it's dead. Go to US servers.
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if you actually try the american servers you will see theres a lot more people soloing there simply because no one wants to team, where as at least in EU servers the majority of people online want some form of team.
I just made the mistake of making an american account to try it, and so far im not impressed, 357 players online, yet not one team running for players between 1 and 20.
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Well put.
The constant whining about and blaming all the problems of modern times on the AE is getting on my nerves. "people got to 50 in a day so I left!" What kind of argument is that? |
Its not an arguement, but it still shouldnt be possible. Im sick of having level 50s ask me questions like 'where do i get my cape?' and 'what is RWZ?' and my personal favorite 'whats slotting mean and how do i do it?'
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Originally Posted by Predatoric
if you actually try the american servers you will see theres a lot more people soloing there simply because no one wants to team, where as at least in EU servers the majority of people online want some form of team.
I just made the mistake of making an american account to try it, and so far im not impressed, 357 players online, yet not one team running for players between 1 and 20. |
I started on the US servers and i've been back for a stint recently. I'm well aware of what the servers are like.
I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever had trouble teaming on Freedom. No matter what toon or level, there's always a space for me.
And if there wasn't, there's 600 people to choose from when i start building my own team. 600 > 130.
CoH PvP SG = SuperUnion - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
CoV PvP VG = Disruption - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
Global = @Rent & @Rent.
Playgroup are all **** - Global Handle
As much as it pains me to say, were all going to have to follow Rent either willfully or out of lack of options.
In my opinion, they will wait until the population for the 4 EU-side servers will decline to such a state it would be favorable to simply discard them. This is inevitable due to the population decline, which is on par their fault to a degree. At this stage, they will either offer some sort of transfer mechanism to NA, unlikely given our own treatment anyway, or they'll simply say move to NA to continue the game - meaning a whole unwarranted but required fresh start to simply keep playing.
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This has always been my concern. That the EU servers are being left to dwindle to a point where transferring accounts is unviable and we end up getting the Korean treatment instead. At which point my desire to reroll and start with nothing in the US will be questionable at best. I sincerely hope though, that I am wrong about this.
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Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
As much as it pains me to say, were all going to have to follow Rent either willfully or out of lack of options.
In my opinion, they will wait until the population for the 4 EU-side servers will decline to such a state it would be favorable to simply discard them. This is inevitable due to the population decline, which is on par their fault to a degree. At this stage, they will either offer some sort of transfer mechanism to NA, unlikely given our own treatment anyway, or they'll simply say move to NA to continue the game - meaning a whole unwarranted but required fresh start to simply keep playing. Fury |
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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I've just got off Virtue and easily got a team just by sticking the LFT flag on and broadcasting. This afternoon at 5 GMT was a bit quiet, or hard to get a team with anyway (there were still 300+ people on) but no issues in the evenings at all so far.|
Originally Posted by Rent_
I started on the US servers and i've been back for a stint recently. I'm well aware of what the servers are like.
I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever had trouble teaming on Freedom. No matter what toon or level, there's always a space for me. And if there wasn't, there's 600 people to choose from when i start building my own team. 600 > 130. |
And as Rent says you can easily make one with that selection of people available to you. There's no real comparison to the Scrapper I was playing on Union last week who's never been on a team.
Mind you a LFM flag for teams or team leaders could go a long way to making teams easier to find on the smaller servers.
Yeah. i just logged in for a bit on lunch to check the market and saw 165 unhidden people redside. when i first logged onto freedom on my us account there were over 300 people redside unhidden at 18.00 gmt. Stuff like that makes it hard to go back to the eu servers.
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If it comes to this then I will not continue on an American/European ncsoft game. I will not start afresh, for as you people I am attached to my characters. My main (Lady Arete) has every badge that a 36 month vet can hope for (barring bug hunter), and some of those i cant get back. I got good memories on her. |
Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
As much as it pains me to say, were all going to have to follow Rent either willfully or out of lack of options.
In my opinion, they will wait until the population for the 4 EU-side servers will decline to such a state it would be favorable to simply discard them. This is inevitable due to the population decline, which is on par their fault to a degree. At this stage, they will either offer some sort of transfer mechanism to NA, unlikely given our own treatment anyway, or they'll simply say move to NA to continue the game - meaning a whole unwarranted but required fresh start to simply keep playing. Fury |
I now live in the hope that marketing (or whoever could decide about server list merge) repents (or the Devs in secret makes it possible) and give us what the community needs: Server list merge.
For as it is now, we are two communities (US and EU), I rather wake up to the news from Ncsoft "We have decided to give you a Server list merge, from now on We are ONE!"
That is in the long run the best way to keep and treat us EU players still playing the game.
Lady Arete on Unionhandbook
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Possible or not - it seems like the smartest idea to merge the server lists.
As others said I do not want to leave my gallery of heroes/villains behind or start them again. Plus I really like the Vet rewards and would rather keep them than earn them once again.
Of course I have noted the decline in players online on Defiant and Union (Zukunft as well but I know that some have moved to Union or Defiant).
Thinking about the bigger list of servers to choose from I can only say:
Yes, please!
PS: I've always been half-jokingly telling friends who don't get my fascination with the game that I'd be there till the servers shut down. That's still true however you look at it.
New and improved(?): @Changa
DIPLOMACY, n. The patriotic art of lying for one's country.
Ambrose Bierce, Devil's Dictionary
Thats the crucial thing Poltergeist. Yea, I love cox, I love the game, its just the seperation, the current what it seems policy of those in charge.
Well I let hope keep me going (and love for the game) until hopefully we are one (list).
Lady Arete on Unionhandbook
My Excel Badge tool
The only other concern that fuels my worry is that when 'Passport' was offered, a whole clean slate was required. Nothing carried over.
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I'm in agreement. I would love to see a list merge before any other kind of change. If they closed the EU servers and offered us six months free time on the US servers, I would still be hard pressed to start up again. Sure, it wouldn't take long for me to recreate my toons but getting the badges and veteran rewards back would take a long time. And at the end of it, would I really want to continue to give money to a company that treated part of its player base like that, especially the long term, loyal players in the EU?|
Originally Posted by Lady Arete
Thats the crucial thing Poltergeist. Yea, I love cox, I love the game, its just the seperation, the current what it seems policy of those in charge.
Well I let hope keep me going (and love for the game) until hopefully we are one (list). |
I hope they make moves to save the EU servers first rather than simply running them into the ground and closing them when they start to lose money.
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
The Militia: Union RP Supergroup - www.themilitia.org.uk
Ive started over on virtue best thing i ever did not had any issues with grps been playing all morning both sides :-)
i will miss my friends on defiant but virtue is so much better population wise was at least 20 1-10 when i checked both sides
I really hope in a server merge. I really don't realize the reason why they don't do this in Europe. I can understand in US, where there is the possibility to choose for a high population server and a low one (so a player can choose according to his preference), but in Europe every server has low population and consequently there is no choice to experience the MASSIVE component of this MMORPG!
I know there can be some problem with the names, etc ... but hey, in CoH there is already a portion of the technology used in Champions Online to allow multiple identical name (the global chat handle). Maybe they can work a bit on this for the next Issue: I'm not saying they should allow players to choose non-unique names, what I'm saying is that they could use this technology to solve the issue of the identical names in a server merge context. 
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Maybe this will be the first and the last message I can write, because I don't have an active subscription to the game. 
Servermerge (shudder). Nononononono please by all that is good.... no.
Servermerge in general is just a sign that a game is not going that well and for me it is doom and gloom. It messes up the server community.
Sure it gives the players more population on 1 server, but that is just it. If there is a servermerge we loose character slots, we loose names for the sake of more players on one server.
So.. nonono please NO server merge.
My hope for the servers are a Server List Merge. (Take a look at my sig)
Server list merge, where the US and EU servers are on one list. That would mean that we could play with the Us players and they with us. That we could make characters on Virtue, Union, Defiant, Zukunft, Vigilance, Freedom etc...
Every City of Heroes/Villains player would have equal rights to say it like that. For every CoX player would be able to make 12 characters on thus 15 servers, instead of us Eu players having to buy extra char slots.
With a server list merge it may (ok it could be illusion) be that more players play on the french and german servers. Canadian players maybe? It may be that more of the eu players that have an US account could come and play with us. Heck I know I would make a char on virtue to see how things are over there.
All it takes (here it goes to show how much I know of programming) would in my mind a change to the updater/exe file (and assorted files) to point to one page, the same page for both the different ones.
In this way the only way we could be affected was by the global names. That however is a price that I feel is worth it.
edit: Saw you mention servermerge and I went aaaaah.
You have a point with the Champions name system. They did that, but that means we might have 2 names showing up at all times in chat (global and local). I might be odd, but then the uniqueness of our hero names would fade.
I don't think my main chars name would be taken, but I bet good money that my other fav chars name would (Cyrene) and it would be a loss to loose that name. Thus one of my reasons for the above writing.
Lady Arete on Unionhandbook
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Think it's time to vote with my feet and switch accounts again as at the moment playing City of Soloing isn't that much fun. All I'm doing at the mo is farming AE arcs because solo play pre level 20 is so utterly dull.